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1 minute ago, SD_Tom said:

He's still gonna be one of the fastest guys on the entire field in the NFL.  He's faster than most WR and CB.  I don't think he's missed any games with injuries thus far has he? 

Fast guys get tackled all the time in the NFL.

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19 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

Fast guys get tackled all the time in the NFL.

There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.

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1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.

Or not. Anyway if he is a world-class runner as you say, he can always pull a Pryor if or when he falls on his butt as a quarterback.

WSS

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2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.

 

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5 hours ago, boo fagley said:

How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie?

57 plus UDFAs...

Allen? 11 plus UDFAs...

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So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215  lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact. 

I don't get the reasoning 

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So three years from now, Baker just turned 26 and is getting ready to start his third full season as starter.

Ravens have skinny ass Jackson running around getting hurt.

Steelers are finally throwing Mason Rudolf into the fire after Ben stayed one year too long and Myles Garrett broke his freaking neck.

Andy Dalton is 33 and has still not won a playoff game and the Bungles blow everything up.

It will be good to be the king.

Zombo

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50 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

57 plus UDFAs...

Allen? 11 plus UDFAs...

Jackson 2017

Miss State - 0

Kentucky - 0

Kent State - 0

Clemson - 1

3rd LB

Boston Coll - 3

2nd DE

3rd DB

6th DB

Purdue - 1

5th LB

NC State - 4

1st DE

3rd DT

3rd DT

4th DT

NC - 2

2nd DB

7th LB

FL State - 3

1st DB

3rd DT

4th DE

Syracuse - 1

7th LB

Wake Forest - 2

2nd DB

6th DE

Virginia - 2

5th LB

5th LB

19 TOTAL DRAFTED

1st x 2

2nd x 3

3rd x 5

4th x 2

5th x 3

6th x 2

7th x 2

In reality about 5 - 10 NFL caliber players assuming the 1st round and 2nd round guys pan out and some of the other guys will be depth.

 

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1 hour ago, SD_Tom said:

So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215  lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact. 

I don't get the reasoning 

RBs take a beating in the NFL and their careers are short lived. A WR is afforded a little protection within the rules.

My money is on this mobile QB experiment not working. Ghoolie is right, the days of Tarkenton are over. The successful teams stay in the pocket because its a passing league. The Browns appear to be joining the party with Mayfield. Throwing the ball away on 3rd and punting can be the smartest move to make sometimes.

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Jackson faced 57 players who were drafted by the NFL.... plus UDFAs. Does look like 8 of the 57 were Louisville players, so he only faced them in practice.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2015&year_max=2017&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=dt&pos[]=de&pos[]=dl&pos[]=ilb&pos[]=olb&pos[]=lb&pos[]=cb&pos[]=s&pos[]=db&conference=acc&show=all&order_by=default

Drafted Players

Rk Year Rnd Pick   Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ  
1 2017 2 51 DeMarcus Walker DE 22 DEN 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0   1.0 Florida St. College Stats
2 2017 2 61 Josh Jones S 22 GNB 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 16 7 1 2.0 North Carolina St. College Stats
3 2017 3 91 John Johnson S 21 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 1 5 16 11 1   Boston Col. College Stats
4 2017 3 97 Cordrea Tankersley CB 23 MIA 2017 2017 0 0 1 3 11 11     Clemson College Stats
5 2017 3 102 Nazair Jones DT 22 SEA 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 11 2 1 2.0 North Carolina College Stats
6 2017 4 113 Rayshawn Jenkins S 23 LAC 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0     Miami (FL) College Stats
7 2017 4 142 Carlos Watkins DT 23 HOU 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 12 6     Clemson College Stats
8 2017 5 152 Corn Elder CB 22 CAR     0 0 0           Miami (FL) College Stats
9 2017 5 163 Matt Milano LB 23 BUF 2017 2017 0 0 0 4 16 5 1   Boston Col. College Stats
10 2017 5 168 Marquel Lee LB 21 OAK 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 13 6     Wake Forest College Stats
11 2017 6 186 Chuck Clark DB 22 BAL 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0     Virginia Tech College Stats
12 2017 6 196 Al-Quadin Muhammad DE 22 NOR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 4 0     Miami (FL) College Stats
13 2017 6 216 Marquez White CB 22 DAL     0 0 0           Florida St. College Stats
14 2017 7 229 Adrian Colbert DB 23 SFO 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 14 6     Miami (FL) College Stats
15 2017 7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons S 23 WAS 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0   0.5 Louisville College Stats
16 2017 7 234 Ejuan Price DE 24 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 1 0     Pittsburgh College Stats
17 2017 7 245 Jack Tocho CB 21 MIN     0 0 0           North Carolina St. College Stats
18 2016 1 5 Jalen Ramsey CB 21 JAX 2016 2017 1 1 2 22 32 32 6   Florida St. College Stats
19 2016 1 12 Sheldon Rankins DT 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 25 16 1 6.0 Louisville College Stats
20 2016 1 19 Shaq Lawson DE 22 BUF 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 21 11   6.0 Clemson College Stats
21 2016 1 25 Artie Burns CB 21 PIT 2016 2017 0 0 1 11 32 25 4   Miami (FL) College Stats
22 2016 2 33 Kevin Dodd DE 24 TEN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 18 1   1.0 Clemson College Stats
23 2016 2 54 Mackensie Alexander CB 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 27 0 1   Clemson College Stats
24 2016 2 57 T.J. Green FS 21 IND 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 31 11     Clemson College Stats
25 2016 2 63 Adam Gotsis DT 23 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 32 13   2.0 Georgia Tech College Stats
26 2016 3 84 Kendall Fuller CB 21 WAS 2016 2017 0 0 0 6 29 12 4   Virginia Tech College Stats
27 2016 3 98 Justin Simmons FS 22 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 7 26 16 4 2.0 Boston Col. College Stats
28 2016 4 109 B.J. Goodson OLB 23 NYG 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 22 7     Clemson College Stats
29 2016 4 118 Juston Burris CB 23 NYJ 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 30 2 2   North Carolina St. College Stats
30 2016 4 124 Deon Bush S 23 CHI 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 24 6     Miami (FL) College Stats
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ College_link
31 2016 5 166 D.J. Reader NT 22 HOU 2016 2017 0 0 1 10 30 21   2.0 Clemson College Stats
32 2016 6 178 D.J. White CB 22 KAN 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 13 0 1   Georgia Tech College Stats
33 2016 6 203 Dadi Nicolas DE 23 KAN 2016 2016 0 0 0 1 11 0     Virginia Tech College Stats
34 2016 6 209 Maurice Canady CB 22 BAL 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 12 1     Virginia College Stats
35 2016 7 232 Steven Daniels ILB 23 WAS     0 0 0           Boston Col. College Stats
36 2016 7 244 Jayron Kearse S 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 31 1     Clemson College Stats
37 2015 1 8 Vic Beasley OLB 23 ATL 2015 2017 1 1 3 22 46 36 1 24.5 Clemson College Stats
38 2015 1 16 Kevin Johnson CB 23 HOU 2015 2017 0 0 0 9 34 17 1   Wake Forest College Stats
39 2015 1 31 Stephone Anthony ILB 23 NOR 2015 2017 0 0 1 9 34 19 1 1.0 Clemson College Stats
40 2015 2 35 Mario Edwards DT 21 OAK 2015 2017 0 0 2 11 30 24   5.5 Florida St. College Stats
41 2015 2 39 Eddie Goldman DT 21 CHI 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 36 32   8.5 Florida St. College Stats
42 2015 2 48 Denzel Perryman ILB 22 SDG 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 33 26 1 4.0 Miami (FL) College Stats
43 2015 2 50 Ronald Darby CB 21 BUF 2015 2017 0 0 2 13 37 36 5   Florida St. College Stats
44 2015 3 78 P.J. Williams CB 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 18 8 2   Florida St. College Stats
45 2015 3 79 Eli Harold OLB 21 SFO 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 48 25   5.0 Virginia College Stats
46 2015 3 82 Lorenzo Mauldin OLB 22 NYJ 2015 2016 0 0 0 4 26 4 1 6.5 Louisville College Stats
47 2015 4 104 James Sample SS 23 JAX 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 4 2     Louisville College Stats
48 2015 5 137 Grady Jarrett NT 22 ATL 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 47 32   8.0 Clemson College Stats
49 2015 6 177 Deiontrez Mount OLB 22 TEN 2015 2017 0 0 0 1 12 0 1   Louisville  
50 2015 6 179 Max Valles OLB 21 OAK     0 0 0           Virginia College Stats
51 2015 6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SS 22 WAS 2015 2015 0 0 0 2 16 6     Virginia Tech College Stats
52 2015 6 188 Tony Steward OLB 22 BUF 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 7 0     Clemson  
53 2015 6 189 Charles Gaines CB 22 CLE 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 6 4     Louisville College Stats
54 2015 6 193 B.J. Dubose DE 23 MIN     0 0 0           Louisville College Stats
55 2015 6 212 Anthony Chickillo DE 22 PIT 2015 2017 0 0 0 7 38 9   5.5 Miami (FL) College Stats
56 2015 7 237 Brian Mihalik DE 23 PHI 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 15 2     Boston Col. College Stats
57 2015 7 239 Gerod Holliman FS 21 PIT     0 0 0           Louisville College Stats
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1 hour ago, Zombo said:

So three years from now, Baker just turned 26 and is getting ready to start his third full season as starter.

Ravens have skinny butt Jackson running around getting hurt.

Steelers are finally throwing Mason Rudolf into the fire after Ben stayed one year too long and Myles Garrett broke his freaking neck.

Andy Dalton is 33 and has still not won a playoff game and the Bungles blow everything up.

It will be good to be the king.

Zombo

I'm starting to like your rich fantasy life Z. Now if you just add in Stormy Daniels I think we're set.:lol:

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1 hour ago, SD_Tom said:

So 180 lb WR are quite common.... But a 215  lb athletic specimen at qb will break in half at first contact. 

I don't get the reasoning 

Nah- not first contact, but having your franchise qb running 10 times a game is a recipe for disaster. Speaking of- just remembered, and guess who else is on the Ravens roster? None other than RG Knee. Exactly the same height and only 3 pounds heavier than Jackson, ran a 4.4 at the combine IIRC. Same build. Lamar didn't have the knee injury in college that Griffin did, but dang, it sure looks like Ozzie drafted his clone. 

32 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

RBs take a beating in the NFL and their careers are short lived. A WR is afforded a little protection within the rules.

My money is on this mobile QB experiment not working. Ghoolie is right, the days of Tarkenton are over. The successful teams stay in the pocket because its a passing league. The Browns appear to be joining the party with Mayfield. Throwing the ball away on 3rd and punting can be the smartest move to make sometimes.

Not so much worried about Jackson running, my question is will he have the smarts to develop into a decent pocket passer? LOL, I'm sure Griffin will mentor him on the merits of sliding instead of being a hero and taking a kill shot from the opposition.  

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46 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Nah- not first contact, but having your franchise qb running 10 times a game is a recipe for disaster. Speaking of- just remembered, and guess who else is on the Ravens roster? None other than RG Knee. Exactly the same height and only 3 pounds heavier than Jackson, ran a 4.4 at the combine IIRC. Same build. Lamar didn't have the knee injury in college that Griffin did, but dang, it sure looks like Ozzie drafted his clone. 

Not so much worried about Jackson running, my question is will he have the smarts to develop into a decent pocket passer? LOL, I'm sure Griffin will mentor him on the merits of sliding instead of being a hero and taking a kill shot from the opposition.  

I would think he'd run way less than he did in college. 

He seems to be able to minimize big hits very well.  

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8 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Jackson faced 57 players who were drafted by the NFL.... plus UDFAs. Does look like 8 of the 57 were Louisville players, so he only faced them in practice.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2015&year_max=2017&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=dt&pos[]=de&pos[]=dl&pos[]=ilb&pos[]=olb&pos[]=lb&pos[]=cb&pos[]=s&pos[]=db&conference=acc&show=all&order_by=default

Drafted Players

Rk Year Rnd Pick   Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ  
1 2017 2 51 DeMarcus Walker DE 22 DEN 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0   1.0 Florida St. College Stats
2 2017 2 61 Josh Jones S 22 GNB 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 16 7 1 2.0 North Carolina St. College Stats
3 2017 3 91 John Johnson S 21 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 1 5 16 11 1   Boston Col. College Stats
4 2017 3 97 Cordrea Tankersley CB 23 MIA 2017 2017 0 0 1 3 11 11     Clemson College Stats
5 2017 3 102 Nazair Jones DT 22 SEA 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 11 2 1 2.0 North Carolina College Stats
6 2017 4 113 Rayshawn Jenkins S 23 LAC 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0     Miami (FL) College Stats
7 2017 4 142 Carlos Watkins DT 23 HOU 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 12 6     Clemson College Stats
8 2017 5 152 Corn Elder CB 22 CAR     0 0 0           Miami (FL) College Stats
9 2017 5 163 Matt Milano LB 23 BUF 2017 2017 0 0 0 4 16 5 1   Boston Col. College Stats
10 2017 5 168 Marquel Lee LB 21 OAK 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 13 6     Wake Forest College Stats
11 2017 6 186 Chuck Clark DB 22 BAL 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0     Virginia Tech College Stats
12 2017 6 196 Al-Quadin Muhammad DE 22 NOR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 4 0     Miami (FL) College Stats
13 2017 6 216 Marquez White CB 22 DAL     0 0 0           Florida St. College Stats
14 2017 7 229 Adrian Colbert DB 23 SFO 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 14 6     Miami (FL) College Stats
15 2017 7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons S 23 WAS 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0   0.5 Louisville College Stats
16 2017 7 234 Ejuan Price DE 24 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 1 0     Pittsburgh College Stats
17 2017 7 245 Jack Tocho CB 21 MIN     0 0 0           North Carolina St. College Stats
18 2016 1 5 Jalen Ramsey CB 21 JAX 2016 2017 1 1 2 22 32 32 6   Florida St. College Stats
19 2016 1 12 Sheldon Rankins DT 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 25 16 1 6.0 Louisville College Stats
20 2016 1 19 Shaq Lawson DE 22 BUF 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 21 11   6.0 Clemson College Stats
21 2016 1 25 Artie Burns CB 21 PIT 2016 2017 0 0 1 11 32 25 4   Miami (FL) College Stats
22 2016 2 33 Kevin Dodd DE 24 TEN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 18 1   1.0 Clemson College Stats
23 2016 2 54 Mackensie Alexander CB 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 27 0 1   Clemson College Stats
24 2016 2 57 T.J. Green FS 21 IND 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 31 11     Clemson College Stats
25 2016 2 63 Adam Gotsis DT 23 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 32 13   2.0 Georgia Tech College Stats
26 2016 3 84 Kendall Fuller CB 21 WAS 2016 2017 0 0 0 6 29 12 4   Virginia Tech College Stats
27 2016 3 98 Justin Simmons FS 22 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 7 26 16 4 2.0 Boston Col. College Stats
28 2016 4 109 B.J. Goodson OLB 23 NYG 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 22 7     Clemson College Stats
29 2016 4 118 Juston Burris CB 23 NYJ 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 30 2 2   North Carolina St. College Stats
30 2016 4 124 Deon Bush S 23 CHI 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 24 6     Miami (FL) College Stats
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ College_link
31 2016 5 166 D.J. Reader NT 22 HOU 2016 2017 0 0 1 10 30 21   2.0 Clemson College Stats
32 2016 6 178 D.J. White CB 22 KAN 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 13 0 1   Georgia Tech College Stats
33 2016 6 203 Dadi Nicolas DE 23 KAN 2016 2016 0 0 0 1 11 0     Virginia Tech College Stats
34 2016 6 209 Maurice Canady CB 22 BAL 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 12 1     Virginia College Stats
35 2016 7 232 Steven Daniels ILB 23 WAS     0 0 0           Boston Col. College Stats
36 2016 7 244 Jayron Kearse S 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 31 1     Clemson College Stats
37 2015 1 8 Vic Beasley OLB 23 ATL 2015 2017 1 1 3 22 46 36 1 24.5 Clemson College Stats
38 2015 1 16 Kevin Johnson CB 23 HOU 2015 2017 0 0 0 9 34 17 1   Wake Forest College Stats
39 2015 1 31 Stephone Anthony ILB 23 NOR 2015 2017 0 0 1 9 34 19 1 1.0 Clemson College Stats
40 2015 2 35 Mario Edwards DT 21 OAK 2015 2017 0 0 2 11 30 24   5.5 Florida St. College Stats
41 2015 2 39 Eddie Goldman DT 21 CHI 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 36 32   8.5 Florida St. College Stats
42 2015 2 48 Denzel Perryman ILB 22 SDG 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 33 26 1 4.0 Miami (FL) College Stats
43 2015 2 50 Ronald Darby CB 21 BUF 2015 2017 0 0 2 13 37 36 5   Florida St. College Stats
44 2015 3 78 P.J. Williams CB 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 18 8 2   Florida St. College Stats
45 2015 3 79 Eli Harold OLB 21 SFO 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 48 25   5.0 Virginia College Stats
46 2015 3 82 Lorenzo Mauldin OLB 22 NYJ 2015 2016 0 0 0 4 26 4 1 6.5 Louisville College Stats
47 2015 4 104 James Sample SS 23 JAX 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 4 2     Louisville College Stats
48 2015 5 137 Grady Jarrett NT 22 ATL 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 47 32   8.0 Clemson College Stats
49 2015 6 177 Deiontrez Mount OLB 22 TEN 2015 2017 0 0 0 1 12 0 1   Louisville  
50 2015 6 179 Max Valles OLB 21 OAK     0 0 0           Virginia College Stats
51 2015 6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SS 22 WAS 2015 2015 0 0 0 2 16 6     Virginia Tech College Stats
52 2015 6 188 Tony Steward OLB 22 BUF 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 7 0     Clemson  
53 2015 6 189 Charles Gaines CB 22 CLE 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 6 4     Louisville College Stats
54 2015 6 193 B.J. Dubose DE 23 MIN     0 0 0           Louisville College Stats
55 2015 6 212 Anthony Chickillo DE 22 PIT 2015 2017 0 0 0 7 38 9   5.5 Miami (FL) College Stats
56 2015 7 237 Brian Mihalik DE 23 PHI 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 15 2     Boston Col. College Stats
57 2015 7 239 Gerod Holliman FS 21 PIT     0 0 0           Louisville College Stats

Lots of good info.

A cursory glance reveals quite a few draft picks have never started an NFL game. Some are practice sqyad guys who Jackson will never face in the pros.

 

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4 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Jackson faced 57 players who were drafted by the NFL.... plus UDFAs. Does look like 8 of the 57 were Louisville players, so he only faced them in practice.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2015&year_max=2017&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos[]=dt&pos[]=de&pos[]=dl&pos[]=ilb&pos[]=olb&pos[]=lb&pos[]=cb&pos[]=s&pos[]=db&conference=acc&show=all&order_by=default

Drafted Players

Rk Year Rnd Pick   Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ  
1 2017 2 51 DeMarcus Walker DE 22 DEN 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0   1.0 Florida St. College Stats
2 2017 2 61 Josh Jones S 22 GNB 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 16 7 1 2.0 North Carolina St. College Stats
3 2017 3 91 John Johnson S 21 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 1 5 16 11 1   Boston Col. College Stats
4 2017 3 97 Cordrea Tankersley CB 23 MIA 2017 2017 0 0 1 3 11 11     Clemson College Stats
5 2017 3 102 Nazair Jones DT 22 SEA 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 11 2 1 2.0 North Carolina College Stats
6 2017 4 113 Rayshawn Jenkins S 23 LAC 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0     Miami (FL) College Stats
7 2017 4 142 Carlos Watkins DT 23 HOU 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 12 6     Clemson College Stats
8 2017 5 152 Corn Elder CB 22 CAR     0 0 0           Miami (FL) College Stats
9 2017 5 163 Matt Milano LB 23 BUF 2017 2017 0 0 0 4 16 5 1   Boston Col. College Stats
10 2017 5 168 Marquel Lee LB 21 OAK 2017 2017 0 0 0 3 13 6     Wake Forest College Stats
11 2017 6 186 Chuck Clark DB 22 BAL 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 15 0     Virginia Tech College Stats
12 2017 6 196 Al-Quadin Muhammad DE 22 NOR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 4 0     Miami (FL) College Stats
13 2017 6 216 Marquez White CB 22 DAL     0 0 0           Florida St. College Stats
14 2017 7 229 Adrian Colbert DB 23 SFO 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 14 6     Miami (FL) College Stats
15 2017 7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons S 23 WAS 2017 2017 0 0 0 1 10 0   0.5 Louisville College Stats
16 2017 7 234 Ejuan Price DE 24 LAR 2017 2017 0 0 0 0 1 0     Pittsburgh College Stats
17 2017 7 245 Jack Tocho CB 21 MIN     0 0 0           North Carolina St. College Stats
18 2016 1 5 Jalen Ramsey CB 21 JAX 2016 2017 1 1 2 22 32 32 6   Florida St. College Stats
19 2016 1 12 Sheldon Rankins DT 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 25 16 1 6.0 Louisville College Stats
20 2016 1 19 Shaq Lawson DE 22 BUF 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 21 11   6.0 Clemson College Stats
21 2016 1 25 Artie Burns CB 21 PIT 2016 2017 0 0 1 11 32 25 4   Miami (FL) College Stats
22 2016 2 33 Kevin Dodd DE 24 TEN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 18 1   1.0 Clemson College Stats
23 2016 2 54 Mackensie Alexander CB 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 27 0 1   Clemson College Stats
24 2016 2 57 T.J. Green FS 21 IND 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 31 11     Clemson College Stats
25 2016 2 63 Adam Gotsis DT 23 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 8 32 13   2.0 Georgia Tech College Stats
26 2016 3 84 Kendall Fuller CB 21 WAS 2016 2017 0 0 0 6 29 12 4   Virginia Tech College Stats
27 2016 3 98 Justin Simmons FS 22 DEN 2016 2017 0 0 1 7 26 16 4 2.0 Boston Col. College Stats
28 2016 4 109 B.J. Goodson OLB 23 NYG 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 22 7     Clemson College Stats
29 2016 4 118 Juston Burris CB 23 NYJ 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 30 2 2   North Carolina St. College Stats
30 2016 4 124 Deon Bush S 23 CHI 2016 2017 0 0 0 3 24 6     Miami (FL) College Stats
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS Int Sk College/Univ College_link
31 2016 5 166 D.J. Reader NT 22 HOU 2016 2017 0 0 1 10 30 21   2.0 Clemson College Stats
32 2016 6 178 D.J. White CB 22 KAN 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 13 0 1   Georgia Tech College Stats
33 2016 6 203 Dadi Nicolas DE 23 KAN 2016 2016 0 0 0 1 11 0     Virginia Tech College Stats
34 2016 6 209 Maurice Canady CB 22 BAL 2016 2017 0 0 0 1 12 1     Virginia College Stats
35 2016 7 232 Steven Daniels ILB 23 WAS     0 0 0           Boston Col. College Stats
36 2016 7 244 Jayron Kearse S 22 MIN 2016 2017 0 0 0 2 31 1     Clemson College Stats
37 2015 1 8 Vic Beasley OLB 23 ATL 2015 2017 1 1 3 22 46 36 1 24.5 Clemson College Stats
38 2015 1 16 Kevin Johnson CB 23 HOU 2015 2017 0 0 0 9 34 17 1   Wake Forest College Stats
39 2015 1 31 Stephone Anthony ILB 23 NOR 2015 2017 0 0 1 9 34 19 1 1.0 Clemson College Stats
40 2015 2 35 Mario Edwards DT 21 OAK 2015 2017 0 0 2 11 30 24   5.5 Florida St. College Stats
41 2015 2 39 Eddie Goldman DT 21 CHI 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 36 32   8.5 Florida St. College Stats
42 2015 2 48 Denzel Perryman ILB 22 SDG 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 33 26 1 4.0 Miami (FL) College Stats
43 2015 2 50 Ronald Darby CB 21 BUF 2015 2017 0 0 2 13 37 36 5   Florida St. College Stats
44 2015 3 78 P.J. Williams CB 22 NOR 2016 2017 0 0 0 4 18 8 2   Florida St. College Stats
45 2015 3 79 Eli Harold OLB 21 SFO 2015 2017 0 0 2 12 48 25   5.0 Virginia College Stats
46 2015 3 82 Lorenzo Mauldin OLB 22 NYJ 2015 2016 0 0 0 4 26 4 1 6.5 Louisville College Stats
47 2015 4 104 James Sample SS 23 JAX 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 4 2     Louisville College Stats
48 2015 5 137 Grady Jarrett NT 22 ATL 2015 2017 0 0 2 16 47 32   8.0 Clemson College Stats
49 2015 6 177 Deiontrez Mount OLB 22 TEN 2015 2017 0 0 0 1 12 0 1   Louisville  
50 2015 6 179 Max Valles OLB 21 OAK     0 0 0           Virginia College Stats
51 2015 6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SS 22 WAS 2015 2015 0 0 0 2 16 6     Virginia Tech College Stats
52 2015 6 188 Tony Steward OLB 22 BUF 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 7 0     Clemson  
53 2015 6 189 Charles Gaines CB 22 CLE 2015 2015 0 0 0 1 6 4     Louisville College Stats
54 2015 6 193 B.J. Dubose DE 23 MIN     0 0 0           Louisville College Stats
55 2015 6 212 Anthony Chickillo DE 22 PIT 2015 2017 0 0 0 7 38 9   5.5 Miami (FL) College Stats
56 2015 7 237 Brian Mihalik DE 23 PHI 2017 2017 0 0 0 2 15 2     Boston Col. College Stats
57 2015 7 239 Gerod Holliman FS 21 PIT     0 0 0           Louisville College Stats

The 20 drafted players in 2015 never faced Jackson. 

Will Gardner and Reggie Bonnafon were the Louie QBs in 2014. Jackson wasnt on the roster http://gocards.com/roster.aspx?roster=49  and was the QB in 2015, 2016 and 2017. Declared as a Junior.

Shame too, because players like Vic Beasley are what Im most interested about.

Jackson dominated in the NCAA, but against who? Bench warmers, special teams people and practice squad bodies actually hurt his cause.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/4/2018 at 7:02 AM, boo fagley said:

The 20 drafted players in 2015 never faced Jackson. 

Will Gardner and Reggie Bonnafon were the Louie QBs in 2014. Jackson wasnt on the roster http://gocards.com/roster.aspx?roster=49  and was the QB in 2015, 2016 and 2017. Declared as a Junior.

Shame too, because players like Vic Beasley are what Im most interested about.

Jackson dominated in the NCAA, but against who? Bench warmers, special teams people and practice squad bodies actually hurt his cause.

 

You mean the entire Clemson defensive line that is projected to go in the first round? What about Bradley Chubb the guy that everybody wanted to be a Brown? Derwin James? The people he played with are just getting to the NFL too. 

I don't get why you hate on the man so hard. Halfway through the season he's going to be the talk of the NFL and make some of you guys look real silly

 

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20 minutes ago, Louisville Slugger said:

You mean the entire Clemson defensive line that is projected to go in the first round? What about Bradley Chubb the guy that everybody wanted to be a Brown? Derwin James? The people he played with are just getting to the NFL too. 

I don't get why you hate on the man so hard. Halfway through the season he's going to be the talk of the NFL and make some of you guys look real silly

 

The only one of the bunch likely to break out this year is Rosen. The rest ALL have a lot to learn about running NFL offenses. Legs are a major advantage, but the arm and brain finding the receivers out of route trees and tight windows separate the OK from the great. I don't think Lamar has that ability-----yet. Maybe with time he will.

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Look what Roman did with Alex Smith (who was a bust before he got his hands on him), Kapernick, and Tyrod Taylor. Unless Flacco plays lights out Lamar is going to take his job and he will be the star of sports center every week. Baker vs Jackson is going to be an interesting matchup for the foreseeable future. 

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11 hours ago, boo fagley said:

Lots of good info.

A cursory glance reveals quite a few draft picks have never started an NFL game. Some are practice sqyad guys who Jackson will never face in the pros.

3 hours ago, boo fagley said:

The 20 drafted players in 2015 never faced Jackson.

Correct... including the 2015 draft class was a mistake. It resulted in an undercount for Jackson.

The new total for Jackson is 36 from the 2017 and 2016 classes plus 29 from 2018 for a total of 65 ACC defenders drafted that Jackson faced.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/acc-players-selected-2018-nfl-draft/v5ekOCh91i82Fr5kzWMtjL/

 

In fairness to Allen, I need to redo his earlier total of 11. Now it's 7 from 2016 and 2017 plus 2 from 2018 for a new total of 9. Oops...

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/4/30/17300930/2018-draft-post-draft-tracker

 

As for when and where the QBs faced the listed players... all I can say is that I addressed your original question. If you don't like the answer and want to change it now, that's your prerogative. By definition the players I counted signed pro contracts and thus were "pros Jackson played against at Louisville."

On 5/3/2018 at 6:38 AM, boo fagley said:

How many pros did Jackson play against at Louie?

 

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2 hours ago, Louisville Slugger said:

Look what Roman did with Alex Smith (who was a bust before he got his hands on him), Kapernick, and Tyrod Taylor. Unless Flacco plays lights out Lamar is going to take his job and he will be the star of sports center every week. Baker vs Jackson is going to be an interesting matchup for the foreseeable future. 

Jackson has one maybe two plus traits. Great speed ( a minimal plus in the NFL) and a above average arm. My take is he's a lesser version of Josh Allen. The odds of him beating out Flacco are remote. 

Star of Sports Center? Not this year.

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1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

Correct... including the 2015 draft class was a mistake. It resulted in an undercount for Jackson.

The new total for Jackson is 36 from the 2017 and 2016 classes plus 29 from 2018 for a total of 65 ACC defenders drafted that Jackson faced.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/acc-players-selected-2018-nfl-draft/v5ekOCh91i82Fr5kzWMtjL/

 

In fairness to Allen, I need to redo his earlier total of 11. Now it's 7 from 2016 and 2017 plus 2 from 2018 for a new total of 9. Oops...

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/4/30/17300930/2018-draft-post-draft-tracker

 

As for when and where the QBs faced the listed players... all I can say is that I addressed your original question. If you don't like the answer and want to change it now, that's your prerogative. By definition the players I counted signed pro contracts and thus were "pros Jackson played against at Louisville."

 

28 players added from the 2018 draft. Proehl is a WR.

7TH - 4

6TH - 3

5TH - 4

4TH - 4

3RD - 6

2ND - 2

1ST - 5

The Term "Pros" is an NFL player who makes an impact for his team on the defensive side of the ball. IE: Starter like Jalen Ramsey, Kevin Johnson. Chubb should be one. Or a situational player or specialist like pass rusher or NT. Approximately 40% of the players drafted turn out to be of no use. Practice squad, special teams, bottom of depth chart guys that are drafted are not included with little to no chance of ever facing Jackson.

Troubling passing numbers here for Jackson

Vs SEC 48.5% ouch. 

Vs ACC 57% With all those ACC players drafted that you have provided us this is not good news.

VS MAC 82%. Tore up Kent State

When Jackson struggled with pass vs the SEC and ACC he was a beast running.

Vs ACC 6.2 YAC. 

Vs SEC 7.0 YAC

There should be not much of an issue rushing for Jackson should the pass game evaporate. 4 - 5 YAC all day long.

 

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On 5/3/2018 at 9:36 AM, TexasAg1969 said:

There are not all that many with 4.3 speed and and quick twitch change of direction. Just go back and watch the old Vick plays and it's clear you CAN run against NFL speed successfully. It's his arm and ability to learn the intricacies of a playbook and reading defenses properly that are the real crux of his future as an NFL QB.

And what did Vick ever accomplish?

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1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said:

And what did Vick ever accomplish?

I think I pretty well separated running abilities from throwing abilities. Nowhere did I claim he would be a success, only that he could run even against NFL speed.

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3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I think I pretty well separated running abilities from throwing abilities. Nowhere did I claim he would be a success, only that he could run even against NFL speed.

Only, Lamar doesn't run a 4.3.   He doesn't have the first step or lateral movement of Vick.    Nobody has since and chances are you won't see that in our lifetime.

Also, Vicks success against NFL defenses from 2001 vs  2010 was rather up and down.    The athletic premium put on the other side of the ball to stop or limit these runners has really been quite impressive over the last 10 years.    Do we think of Vick as 'Vick' if he started playing 10 years later vs 2000?   Me thinks not so much.  

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1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

Only, Lamar doesn't run a 4.3.   He doesn't have the first step or lateral movement of Vick.    Nobody has since and chances are you won't see that in our lifetime.

Also, Vicks success against NFL defenses from 2001 vs  2010 was rather up and down.    The athletic premium put on the other side of the ball to stop or limit these runners has really been quite impressive over the last 10 years.    Do we think of Vick as 'Vick' if he started playing 10 years later vs 2000?   Me thinks not so much.  

The way to defend these types is keep them in the pocket and force them to throw.

Make them play patient which they hate because they are used to bang - bang plays and making things happen out of no play.

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He claims he's a 4.3 guy,  but who knows? He can definitely fly,  but they all over estimate.  It's not just his speed,  it's the agility and fakes.  

Impossible to not see the potential to be very good. He's got some time to sit,  and they can eventually create an offense around him. He's a next level athlete and can sling the ball. Colin Kapernick almost went to the super bowl.  No reason a guy like Lamar couldn't get there if he's able to develop.  Petrino supposedly has him way more nfl ready than people give him credit for.  

 

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I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

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21 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

Its a passing league.

A RB can get beat to death, but lay off a WR and QB.. The NFL wants scoring. Fans like scoring. A soccer match is painful to watch with so little scoring some games.

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1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said:

I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

Are we talking about Jackson or Josh Allen?:lol:

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4 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

I'll still take a QB who can stand in the pocket, keep his eyes downfield while the pass rush is around him, process the play, make his reads, and consistently deliver an accurate, on-time pass over athletic one-read and run QBs all day long. The NFL has consistently caught up with the latter. 

And who was that at either of the Ravens' two 1st-round picks?

17 hours ago, The Cysko Kid said:

And what did Vick ever accomplish?

More than about 75% of his contemporaries?

Was Vick the ideal QB? Not in my book, but he made teams competitive, especially early in his career in ATL, where he was "rode hard and put up wet." After his "hiatus" Andy Reid came close to mainlining him, but by then age and injury were dragging him down.

Jackson has a chance to develop as a QB... a chance to be good. We've wasted higher picks on QBs with far less of a chance.

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