Mike H Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 This was a Baker Mayfield thread, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: There's a QB in the NFL who is from California, comes from money, and his father is a doctor (chiropractor)... His name is Aaron Rodgers. Anyone think Rodgers is retiring anytime soon because of his season-ending injury last season? Maybe a Mall Doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Mike H said: This was a Baker Mayfield thread, yes? F.U.C.K Mayfield weve moved on to more important things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, syd said: F.U.C.K Mayfield weve moved on to more important things Why did you use periods in Shmuck? ...and I answered my own question. I’ll see myself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 I mean do's anyone think that the practice of chiropractology is real medicine ? do you need to go to med school ? or just take a online course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, syd said: I mean do's anyone think that the practice of chiropractology is real medicine ? do you need to go to med school ? or just take a online course Actually the AMA Lobby has made sure that chiropractic school is really really hard. Keep the riff-raff out and cut down on competition. Personally I don't think Chiropractic is anywhere near as useful as actual Physician or DO practiced medicine but... It ain't a cakewalk. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Actually the AMA Lobby has made sure that chiropractic school is really really hard. Keep the riff-raff out and cut down on competition. Personally I don't think Chiropractic is anywhere near as useful as actual Physician or DO practiced medicine but... It ain't a cakewalk. WSS ahh i thought it was just oils and incantations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, syd said: ahh i thought it was just oils and incantations To an extent I think you are right but still the training is really stringent. Also ... Remember that the American public is addicted to Medicine. I think in many cases maybe even most, the ailments that befall the General Public will probably get better on their own. My neck hurts or my back hurts and I go to see chiropractor it feels better for a while. I'm not thinking that it's curing anyting but what the hell? How many guys do we know that have had back surgery that are worse off afterwards? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Flugel said: Way to deviate from your opinion that 30 INTs in his final 2 seasons at Clemson = zero to work on for a prospect heading to an NFL offense. Nice job of leaving out the 19 TD passes he threw as a wide eyed rookie in your quest to prove all his time spent with Jordan Palmer was just a waste of time. That brings the TD:INT ratio to a very inconvenient 19:8 for you while Houston improved to being the top scoring offense in 5 of the 7 weeks Watson started. Not bad considering what they looked like in his absence. I dare say I saw an expedited learning curve that made him happy he spent all that off-season time with Jordan Palmer while you need to assure yourself it was all just a complete waste of time. You don't teach a guy to just prevent INTs - you teach him a holistic approach to an NFL passing game vrs complicated NFL defenses that college barnball offenses ill-prepare their QBs for today. Hopefully it shows up in the type of TD:INT ratio Houston was very fond of from their rookie QB. That NFL starting point even compares favorably to Peyton Manning's 26 TDs:28 INTs. In your see no evil hear no evil defense of Rosen - Jordan Palmer has be a waste of time since Darnold is working with him while Rosen is not. Gee, who didn't see this one coming? Have you seen the video the NFL Channel keeps showing about the conversation Rosen had with Aaron Rodgers? Rodgers is telling him about a hop and a hitch he adds to certain occasions/scenarios that he finds helpful. Have you had a chance to straighten him out yet? This conversation started out with me agreeing with you that Darnold has a lot to work on so I didn't expect your knees to buckle so easily when I piggybacked on. While I've come a long way on Rosen, I don't think he's as consistent the people looking down their noses at Darnold think he is. And while I'm at it, UCLA has an OT that is projected to go in rd 1 or 2 while Athlon Draft Guide says they have the 5th best OG slated to go in rd 3 or 4. Not bad considering I kept hearing Poor Rosen allegedly never gets any help from his teammates. Who's getting drafted from USC's line this year? If I get asked by a Rosen fan what if you they swapped teams. I ask does Rosen's football career end the day Ohio State's pass rush decimates USC's pass pro up front? Just to illustrate the difference in Darnold's pass pro and adversity from 2016 to 2017 - he was only sacked 6 times in 2016 vrs 29 times in 2017. That 2017 volume doesn't sound like protection Rosen would prefer or thrive in especially considering how many more concussions he can afford. Here's a statistical comparison of Darnold and Rosen in spite of their overall experience and foot polish: Darnold 20 wins 4 los 7229 yds 8.5 ypa 64.9 cmp% 57 TD 22 INT 332 ydrus 7 TD rush 21 fum 35 sacks Rosen 17 wins 13 los 9339 yds 8.0 ypa 60.9 cmp% 59 TD 26 INT -153 ydrus 6 TD rush 20 fum 53 sacks Wow... I don't think I was the one to initially raise the INTs as some kind of evidence of something, Flugs. Since I wasn't I'm not sure how I can deviate from it. I merely demonstrated that Watson's 2017 was not a significant improvement over his college performance. But for and to complete the record on that point... Watson's TD:INT at Clemson was 90:32... nearly 3:1. Still waiting for your observation of what Palmer "fixed" to enable Watson's regression... I mean "expedited learning curve" to a lower ratio. Haven't seen the "hop n hitch" segment. Do you think it is why Darnold hopped into the tops of his drops at his Pro Day? But going back further... I never questioned Palmer's credentials, just your assertion that Watson had issues that needed fixing. He was pretty complete to my eye coming out. Only concerns I had were injury and a low ceiling. So far I think I'm 2 fer 2.... but it's early yet. As for supporting casts... yes, one QB had an overrated OT and a Day 3 OG. The other had a Day 2 RB and Day 3 WR. And then there's the Defense comparisons... the #117 allowing 36.6 ppg and the #60 allowing 26.1. Since I raised the point you can guess whose is whose. Outside of drop percentage stuff I think this is the first time I've addressed supporting casts, but it may not be. I doubt Rosen and his 26 sacks in 2017 felt seriously advantaged vs. Darnold's 29. As for the stat line comparison... I've seen it. That's why I've been trying to cozy up to Darnold... I just can't get there... But thanks for trying to help... only buckled my right knee, but it's prone to that anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Wow... I don't think I was the one to initially raise the INTs as some kind of evidence of something, Flugs. Since I wasn't I'm not sure how I can deviate from it. I merely demonstrated that Watson's 2017 was not a significant improvement over his college performance. But for and to complete the record on that point... Watson's TD:INT at Clemson was 90:32... nearly 3:1. Still waiting for your observation of what Palmer "fixed" to enable Watson's regression... I mean "expedited learning curve" to a lower ratio. Haven't seen the "hop n hitch" segment. Do you think it is why Darnold hopped into the tops of his drops at his Pro Day? But going back further... I never questioned Palmer's credentials, just your assertion that Watson had issues that needed fixing. He was pretty complete to my eye coming out. Only concerns I had were injury and a low ceiling. So far I think I'm 2 fer 2.... but it's early yet. As for supporting casts... yes, one QB had an overrated OT and a Day 3 OG. The other had a Day 2 RB and Day 3 WR. And then there's the Defense comparisons... the #117 allowing 36.6 ppg and the #60 allowing 26.1. Since I raised the point you can guess whose is whose. Outside of drop percentage stuff I think this is the first time I've addressed supporting casts, but it may not be. I doubt Rosen and his 26 sacks in 2017 felt seriously advantaged vs. Darnold's 29. As for the stat line comparison... I've seen it. That's why I've been trying to cozy up to Darnold... I just can't get there... But thanks for trying to help... only buckled my right knee, but it's prone to that anyway... Like other young QBs like Mitch L. Trubisky and Jameis Winston are finding out - the NFL doesn't provide the same give-me's the ACC did. That being the case a 19 TD:8 INT in just 7 games was a pretty good start. The defense at UCLA and USC won't be what Darnold and Rosen are being evaluated by so they don't matter to me. I just think your competitive side that only has eyes for Rosen looks harder for flaws in others than it is willing to do with him. I could be wrong with that though. I like the way you closed strong above Tour. That being the case, I'll make sure I give your right knee a better warning next time I go piggyback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: To an extent I think you are right but still the training is really stringent. Also ... Remember that the American public is addicted to Medicine. I think in many cases maybe even most, the ailments that befall the General Public will probably get better on their own. My neck hurts or my back hurts and I go to see chiropractor it feels better for a while. I'm not thinking that it's curing anyting but what the hell? How many guys do we know that have had back surgery that are worse off afterwards? WSS Steve just sees a masseuse that gives him a happy ending and that cures all his ailmentsSteve just sees a masseuse that gives him a happy ending and that cures all his ailments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'd take Baker over Rosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 9 hours ago, MLD Woody said: I'd take Baker over Rosen Even should Rosen be given a clean bill of health?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, tiamat63 said: Even should Rosen be given a clean bill of health?! I don't think it's so much a clean bill of health today as it is that there's been a history of concussions. The kid is reasonably well-to-do and obviously pretty smart. Next ding on the head and he may well decide not to risk ending up like Muhammad Ali. Of course that's Dime Store psychology and pure speculation but... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 18 hours ago, Flugel said: Like other young QBs like Mitch L. Trubisky and Jameis Winston are finding out - the NFL doesn't provide the same give-me's the ACC did. That being the case a 19 TD:8 INT in just 7 games was a pretty good start. The defense at UCLA and USC won't be what Darnold and Rosen are being evaluated by so they don't matter to me. I just think your competitive side that only has eyes for Rosen looks harder for flaws in others than it is willing to do with him. I could be wrong with that though. I like the way you closed strong above Tour. That being the case, I'll make sure I give your right knee a better warning next time I go piggyback. Fair enough... and not to reignite things, but... I fail to see the rationale for drawing a line at the Defenses once team strength is brought into the QB evaluation equation. I don't see discussions here as a "competition"... just point/counterpoint... and I have no stake in one QB over another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Westside Steve said: I don't think it's so much a clean bill of health today as it is that there's been a history of concussions. The kid is reasonably well-to-do and obviously pretty smart. Next ding on the head and he may well decide not to risk ending up like Muhammad Ali. Of course that's Dime Store psychology and pure speculation but... WSS Fair point. I guess it boils down to drive and as highlighted, Aaron Rodgers is pretty well off yet hasn't thrown in the towel. If the neurologist gives the OK though, it's going to be a bitter pill for me to swallow should we take any other QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Fair point. I guess it boils down to drive and as highlighted, Aaron Rodgers is pretty well off yet hasn't thrown in the towel. If the neurologist gives the OK though, it's going to be a bitter pill for me to swallow should we take any other QB. Sure, and after the last few decades one can't help but be a little gun-shy about a #1 first-round quarterback investment. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Even should Rosen be given a clean bill of health?! I don't like Rosen's concussion history. Throw in close family in the medical profession and remove the need for money, and that means he'll hang it up if he's concerned about a concussion. Throw in the attitude stuff, and I just don't want him. I'd rather take a flier on Baker and roll with his intangibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 20 hours ago, Westside Steve said: To an extent I think you are right but still the training is really stringent. Also ... Remember that the American public is addicted to Medicine. I think in many cases maybe even most, the ailments that befall the General Public will probably get better on their own. My neck hurts or my back hurts and I go to see chiropractor it feels better for a while. I'm not thinking that it's curing anyting but what the hell? How many guys do we know that have had back surgery that are worse off afterwards? WSS i live in Oregon where weed is legal and i don't know it anyone has talked to you about cbd you can get it without the thc and it works so well for head aches body pains I find it a damn shame that anyone can not just go to the store and get some ....take care of your neck and back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Nathan ZeguraVerified account @NathanZegura Baker 51% Darnold 49% 8:15 AM - 23 Apr 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, syd said: i live in Oregon where weed is legal and i don't know it anyone has talked to you about cbd you can get it without the thc and it works so well for head aches body pains I find it a damn shame that anyone can not just go to the store and get some ....take care of your neck and back Like I said, not really that serious and would probably get better without the neck rub. Furthermore, and this is a topic for elsewhere, I don't give a rat's a$$ about weed. Smoke it if you got it. On the other hand if you are in Oregon you've got some pretty tasty hops growing up there. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 55 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: Like I said, not really that serious and would probably get better without the neck rub. Furthermore, and this is a topic for elsewhere, I don't give a rat's a$$ about weed. Smoke it if you got it. On the other hand if you are in Oregon you've got some pretty tasty hops growing up there. WSS hops wineries weed mountains the ocean not a bad place to live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 50 minutes ago, syd said: hops wineries weed mountains the ocean not a bad place to live I just hope to visit it some time. WSS and I have a very good friend living out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Fair point. I guess it boils down to drive and as highlighted, Aaron Rodgers is pretty well off yet hasn't thrown in the towel. If the neurologist gives the OK though, it's going to be a bitter pill for me to swallow should we take any other QB. I'll let Tour expound on where he saw that info, but supposedly the Browns Medical Staff red flagged Rosen on those concussions and injuries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Nathan ZeguraVerified account @NathanZegura Baker 51% Darnold 49% 8:15 AM - 23 Apr 2018 Was that a vote Tour? I'm not on Twitter, and it's sort of hard to follow... BTW according to Nathan (besides what Hue already said) That being said NO ONE knows anything except Dorsey. He is in complete command of situation and all info, which is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 5 hours ago, MLD Woody said: I don't like Rosen's concussion history. Throw in close family in the medical profession and remove the need for money, and that means he'll hang it up if he's concerned about a concussion. Throw in the attitude stuff, and I just don't want him. I'd rather take a flier on Baker and roll with his intangibles. Nothing is more baffling to me (besides the Josh Allen love) than Baker Mayfield fans downgrading Rosen because of his "attitude". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Dutch Oven said: Nothing is more baffling to me (besides the Josh Allen love) than Baker Mayfield fans downgrading Rosen because of his "attitude". Literally as I'm typing your post popped up. Thank you, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 hours ago, MLD Woody said: I don't like Rosen's concussion history. Throw in close family in the medical profession and remove the need for money, and that means he'll hang it up if he's concerned about a concussion. Throw in the attitude stuff, and I just don't want him. I'd rather take a flier on Baker and roll with his intangibles. yup, you got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 On 4/20/2018 at 3:54 PM, BobPOUND! said: Might already be out there, but I haven't seen a thread for this guy yet.. I am not a college ball guy, but I have watched a lot of you tubes on the 3 or 4 major prospects and have seen little attention given to Baker Mayfield. I watched the fan boy vids of each of the 4 top guys and of course they look great. But then you watch every throw they make against a good team like Ohio State and then they look a lot different. I watched Darnold in that game and I was less than impressed. Saw him throwing into double even triple coverage. Sure there were a LOT of dropped passes, but he made a lot of iffy decisions in that game. On the other hand Baker Mayfield has a similar look about him, but definitely smaller(at 6'1"). He has a good arm and throw darts. But I really like his decision making in that game. Threw into double coverage , but ball was placed where only the receiver could get it. He seemed to be checking down 3 and even 4 deep before scrambling. Scrambles great especially on the weak side. I really liked Mayfield in the very limited film I've seen of him. Not sure if there are other things that are negatives, like off field cowpoop.. But I would love to see this play out. Take Saquon Barkley at 1 and I think it is likely that Mayfield is available at 4... Thoughts? If we want Mayfield, take him at #1. The odds are much better that any of the other players are still there at #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Nothing is more baffling to me (besides the Josh Allen love) than Baker Mayfield fans downgrading Rosen because of his "attitude". Baker is the type of prick you want on your team. Rosen is the type of prick you don't want to play with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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