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There are two Heisman Trophy winners that will be taken somewhere in this upcoming draft.  Here is the fate of all previous Heisman Winners:

 

Heisman Trophy Winners

Heisman Drafted Round Pick Player Name Team Position College Hall
of Fame
2017   0 0 0 Baker Mayfield   QB Oklahoma  
2016   0 0 0 Lamar Jackson   QB Louisville  
2015 2016 2 14 45 Derrick Henry Titans RB Alabama  
2014 2015 1 2 2 Marcus Mariota Titans QB Oregon  
2013 2015 1 1 1 Jameis Winston Buccaneers QB Florida State  
2012 2014 1 22 22 Johnny Manziel Browns QB Texas A&M  
2011 2012 1 2 2 Robert Griffin III Redskins QB Baylor  
2010 2011 1 1 1 Cam Newton Panthers QB Auburn  
2009 2011 1 28 28 Mark Ingram Saints RB Alabama  
2008 2010 1 1 1 Sam Bradford Rams QB Oklahoma  
2007 2010 1 25 25 Tim Tebow Broncos QB Florida  
2006 2007 5 37 174 Troy Smith Ravens QB Ohio State  
2005 2006 1 2 2 Reggie Bush Saints RB USC  
2004 2006 1 10 10 Matt Leinart Cardinals QB USC  
2003   0 0 0 Jason White   QB Oklahoma  
2002 2003 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals QB USC  
2001 2002 3 30 95 Eric Crouch Rams WR Nebraska  
2000 2001 4 11 106 Chris Weinke Panthers QB Florida State  
1999 2000 1 11 11 Ron Dayne Giants RB Wisconsin  
1998 1999 1 5 5 Ricky Williams Saints RB Texas  
1997 1998 1 4 4 Charles Woodson Raiders DB Michigan  
1996 1997 4 3 99 Danny Wuerffel Saints QB Florida  
1995 1996 1 14 14 Eddie George Oilers RB Ohio State  
1994 1995 1 21 21 Rashaan Salaam Bears RB Colorado  
1993   0 0 0 Charlie Ward   QB Florida State  
1992 1993 7 24 192 Gino Torretta Vikings QB Miami (FL)  
1991 1992 1 4 4 Desmond Howard Redskins WR Michigan  
1990 1992 9 6 230 Ty Detmer Packers QB Brigham Young  
1989 1990 1 7 7 Andre Ware Lions QB Houston  
1988 1989 1 3 3 Barry Sanders Lions RB Oklahoma State 2004
1987 1988 1 6 6 Tim Brown Raiders WR Notre Dame 2015
1986 1987 1 1 1 Vinny Testaverde Buccaneers QB Miami (FL)  
1985 1987 7 15 183 Bo Jackson Raiders RB Auburn  
1985 1986 1 1 1 Bo Jackson Buccaneers RB Auburn  
1984 1985 11 5 285 Doug Flutie Rams QB Boston College  
1983 1984u 1 2 2 Mike Rozier Oilers RB Nebraska  
1982 1985 5 2 114 Herschel Walker Cowboys RB Georgia  
1981 1982 1 10 10 Marcus Allen Raiders RB USC 2003
1980 1981 1 1 1 George Rogers Saints RB South Carolina  
1979 1980 1 27 27 Charles White Browns RB USC  
1978 1980 1 1 1 Billy Sims Lions RB Oklahoma  
1977 1978 1 1 1 Earl Campbell Oilers RB Texas 1991
1976 1977 1 2 2 Tony Dorsett Cowboys RB Pittsburgh 1994
1974 and 1975 1976 1 24 24 Archie Griffin Bengals RB Ohio State  
1973 1974 1 11 11 John Cappelletti Rams RB Penn State  
1972 1973 1 25 25 Johnny Rodgers Chargers WR Nebraska  
1971 1972 2 14 40 Pat Sullivan Falcons QB Auburn  
1970 1971 1 1 1 Jim Plunkett Patriots QB Stanford  
1969 1970 1 19 19 Steve Owens Lions RB Oklahoma  
1968 1969 1 1 1 O.J. Simpson Bills RB USC 1985
1967 1968 2 3 30 Gary Beban Rams QB UCLA  
1966 1967 1 3 3 Steve Spurrier 49ers QB Florida  
1965 1966 20 0 0 Mike Garrett Chiefs RB USC  
1964 1965 2 0 0 John Huarte Jets QB Notre Dame  
1963 1964 10 3 129 Roger Staubach Cowboys QB Navy 1985
1962 1963 1 1 1 Terry Baker Rams QB Oregon State  
1961 1962 1 1 1 Ernie Davis Redskins RB Syracuse  
1960 1961 19 0 0 Joe Bellino Patriots RB Navy  
1959 1960 1 1 1 Billy Cannon Rams RB Louisiana State  
1958   0 0 0 Pete Dawkins   RB Army  
1957 1958 1 2 2 John David Crow Cardinals RB Texas A&M  
1956 1957 1 1 1 Paul Hornung Packers RB Notre Dame 1986
1955 1956 1 3 3 Howard (Hopalong) Cassady Lions RB Ohio State  
1954 1955 1 3 3 Alan (The Horse) Ameche Colts RB Wisconsin  
1953 1954 1 7 7 John Lattner Steelers RB Notre Dame  
1952 1953 1 2 2 Billy Vessels Colts RB Oklahoma  
1951 1952 15 7 176 finger Kazmaier Bears B Princeton  
1950 1952 7 6 79 Vic Janowicz Redskins RB Ohio State  
1949 1950 1 1 1 Leon Hart Lions E Notre Dame  
1948 1949 1 3 3 Doak Walker Yanks RB Southern Methodist 1986
1947 1946 1 4 4 Johnny Lujack Bears QB Notre Dame  
1946 1947 1 2 2 Glenn Davis Lions RB Army  
1945 1946 1 3 3 Felix (Doc) Blanchard Steelers B Army  
1944 1943 6 5 45 Les Horvath Rams QB Ohio State  
1943 1944 1 1 1 Angelo Bertelli Yanks QB Notre Dame  
1942 1943 1 1 1 Frank Sinkwich Lions RB Georgia  
1941 1942 13 9 119 Bruce Smith Packers RB Minnesota  
1940 1941 1 1 1 Tom Harmon Bears B Michigan  
1939 1940 2 4 14 Nile Kinnick Dodgers B Iowa  
1938 1939 1 4 4 Davey O'Brien Eagles QB Texas Christian  
1937 1938 12 6 106 Clint Frank Lions RB Yale  
1936 1937 9 7 87 Larry Kelley Lions E Yale  
1935 1936 1 1 1 Jay Berwanger Eagles B Chicago  

 

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Does the Heisman Curse still live is the question?  

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Notes:

1. It looks like 7 Heisman winners were never drafted.  (sometimes it is hard to figure out the number above):

Most recently, Jason White and Charlie Ward.   Not sure what happened with Mike Garrett...though I think that the AFL draft got him, and so all NFL teams passed. Maybe something similar with Huarte.  Dawkins and Bellino were Army and Navy guys, so their military commitments shied teams away.  That is why Staubach was not taken until round 10.  A future bet that paid off there. 

2.  It looks like 20...if my count is right, were taken #1 overall. Most recently Winston. 

3. In ten drafts....make this year 11...there were 2 Heisman winners eligible to be drafted in the same draft.

4.   Nine Heisman winners have made the PFHOF....the last being Tim Brown in 2015.   It looks likely that Charles Woodson may be the only one out there that will likely make HOF.  Palmer borderline, but likely not.  Newton has a fair chance if he continues on as is.   Others too soon to tell.

5. The Heisman winner drafted the latest....of those drafted, is Doug Flutie,   #285 overall.  (but note, Ward and White not drafted).  Flutie ended up being better than #285.  Ward and White did not even play in the NFL.

6. I see they had Eric Crouch listed as a WR. ...but he played QB in college.  Maybe Lamar Jackson should take a clue.

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2 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Does the Heisman Curse still live is the question?  

Well....just take since 2000.   Two:  Carson Palmer/Cam Newton....no jinx.  RBs Bush and Ingram.....OK pro careers.  Mariota, Winston, Henry....a bit too soon perhaps.

But, of 17 Heisman winners drafted so far:   Dayne, Weinke, Crouch, Tebow, Smith, White, Leinert, Griffin, Manziel....almost zero from these guys. ..that is over half.   Bradford and Griffin have had injury issues. 

Like I said, only 2 out of 17 proven quality pro players.  Depending on what you think of Bush/Ingram.

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A much as I've heard about Archie Griffin and his Ohio State career, what exactly happened to him in the pros? Injuries? Topped out athletically in college?

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4 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

A much as I've heard about Archie Griffin and his Ohio State career, what exactly happened to him in the pros? Injuries? Topped out athletically in college?

Considered to have had a mediocre pro career.  Seven years, 2800 yards rushing....total of 4415 with receiving yards. He was actually a pretty good receiver out of the backfield for his day.

Rushing & Receiving

 
 
  Games Rushing Receiving        
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career       98 57 691 2808 7 77 4.1 28.7 7.1   192 1607 8.4 6 52 2.0 16.4   4415 13 15 41
1976 22 CIN RB 45 14 14 138 625 3 77 4.5 44.6 9.9   16 138 8.6 0 23 1.1 9.9 0.0% 763 3 2 8
1977 23 CIN RB 45 12 11 137 549 0 31 4.0 45.8 11.4   28 240 8.6 0 24 2.3 20.0 0.0% 789 0 3 8
1978 24 CIN RB 45 16 8 132 484 0 30 3.7 30.3 8.3   35 284 8.1 3 27 2.2 17.8 0.0% 768 3 6 5
1979 25 CIN RB 45 16 15 140 688 0 63 4.9 43.0 8.8   43 417 9.7 2 52 2.7 26.1 0.0% 1105 2 3 10
1980 26 CIN rb 45 15 7 85 260 0 14 3.1 17.3 5.7   28 196 7.0 0 19 1.9 13.1 0.0% 456 0 1 3
1981 27 CIN rb 45 16 2 47 163 3 23 3.5 10.2 2.9   20 160 8.0 1 17 1.3 10.0 0.0% 323 4 0 3
1982 28 CIN   45 9 0 12 39 1 10 3.3 4.3 1.3   22 172 7.8 0 22 2.4 19.1 0.0% 211 1 0 4

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31 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

4.   Nine Heisman winners have made the PFHOF....the last being Tim Brown in 2015.   It looks likely that Charles Woodson may be the only one out there that will likely make HOF.  Palmer borderline, but likely not.  Newton has a fair chance if he continues on as is.   Others too soon to tell.

That's a key point since the 1988 Award Barry Sanders none have made the HOF still early but not many on that list have a chance.

Heisman might be the best or most exciting college player, generally a quarterback but that year but is no guarantee of success in the professional game. Curse? Probably not just not a good indicator. 

A better indicator would be an award like The Best Pro Prospect Award, I'd bet it would be far more successful and would include a lot more non-quarterback prospects. 

Edited by mjp28

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I forgot Eric Crouch won the Heisman. Or even existed.

Zombo

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2 hours ago, Zombo said:

I forgot Eric Crouch won the Heisman. Or even existed.

Zombo

He was on the roster of the Rams initially, then on the Chiefs roster.....but never played in a game with either of them.

He did  have cups of coffee in NFL Europe, and in the CFL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Crouch

But still....his brief playing career was better than Jason White:

Despite his strong college career, White was not selected in the 2005 NFL Draft and did not receive a tryout from any NFL team in the first several weeks of post-draft free agency. White became just the third Heisman Trophy winner not to be drafted in the NFL after Pete Dawkins instead chose a military career and Charlie Ward chose a career in the NBA. He did eventually receive a tryout from the Kansas City Chiefs, who opted not to sign him. Eventually the Tennessee Titans signed him as an undrafted free agent in 2005 for two years,[9] but White decided to quit professional football, citing weak knees. White has expressed an interest in coaching. [10]

 

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1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

He was on the roster of the Rams initially, then on the Chiefs roster.....but never played in a game with either of them.

He did  have cups of coffee in NFL Europe, and in the CFL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Crouch

 

Was NFL Europe a step up or down from the CFL? Actually I used to watch it occasionally. 

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1 hour ago, mjp28 said:

Was NFL Europe a step up or down from the CFL? Actually I used to watch it occasionally. 

Good question, don't really know....but I thought it was a step up.   It was used as a sort of minor league for the NFL.  But apparently revenues for it did not match expenses, do it was folded by the NFL.  I don't think the NFL wanted any part of any operation they were associated with to lose any money at all.....no matter how few farthings it was.   That was my conclusion as to why the NFL Europe closed.

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The NFL Europe WAS used as a developmental league by the NFL....and here recently the idea of the NFL needing a developmental league has gotten a lot of steam.   Here is an article.   Basically it says it was money....that the NFL was losing 30 million a year on the league (hell...nowadays they lose that on a couple of bad QBs)....but that something similar may be revived here, not "over there", with more cost controls.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/23/you-didnt-play-to-get-rich-what-killed-nfl-europe

There is supposed to be a new XFL.

Also this Alliance of American Football.

These could be the new developmental leagues to replace NFL Europe.

 

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One other note from the first post:

Johnny Manziel and Charles White have been the only Heisman Trophy winners drafted by the Browns.

Will that still be it after this draft?   Or do the Browns have a BM in their future? (Baker Mayfield...not Bowel Movement.....but then....if the Browns do take Mayfield....and he busts per his 50/50 chance to do so...it will be a BM)

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