Tour2ma Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Here's the metrics key: Position Rank - Name - Round - Ht. - Wt. - 40 time - 20 - 10 - Bench - Vert - Broad - 20 yd Shuttle - 3 Cone QB: Kurt Benkert (UVA): Kurt was my first sighting this year. He's risen to a Late Day 2 Pick and has the 2nd best throwing mechanics in this draft. 10 Kurt Benkert Virginia 5-6 6-3 218 4.95 2.86 1.71 16 31 09'04" 4.33 7.15 Kyle Allen (UofH): TBH I'd overlooked this kid until I heard Louis Riddick talk about him last week. Kid was a transfer to UH where he was benched... a lot... but when he played he was eye-popping. Issues? Probably, but for the price of a Rnd 7 or at most R6 Comp pick you'd get a QB3 prospect with a legit shot to become a starter. 20 *Kyle Allen Houston FA 6-3 210 4.71 - 2.67 - 1.71 / - / 28 1/2 / 09' 05" / 4.26 / - RB: Justin Jackson (NW): He's a mid, Day-3, plug'n'play bargain. What is he doing this low? 17 Justin Jackson Northwestern 5-6 6-0 199 4.50 2.62 1.57 13 38 1/2 10'02" 4.07 6.81 WR: Dylan Cantrell (Texas Tech): Big and agile and projected to go in Day 3 25 Dylan Cantrell Texas Tech 5-6 6-3 226 4.59 2.64 1.55 18 38 1/2 10'10" 4.03 6.56 TE: Ian Thomas (IU): He's complete, just not elite, but I really like him. Since he's a Day 2 guy I should go deeper... but I don't see anyone deeper... sorry. 5 Ian Thomas Indiana 3 6-4 259 4.65 2.70 1.56 36 10'03" 4.20 7.15 OT: Brian O'Neill (Pitt): Even tho he has risen to Day 2, I have to mention the most athletic OL in the draft. Kid has a chance to be great. 6 *Brian ONeill Pittsburgh 2-3 6-7 297 4.80 2.83 1.70 22 29 1/2 08'11" 4.50 7.14 Joseph Noteboom (TCU): He remains my Day 3 choice, but I've got a new, even deeper dive. 13 Joseph Noteboom Texas Christian 4-5 6-5 309 4.96 2.88 1.71 27 24 08'05" 4.44 7.65 Korey Cunningham (U of Cincinnatti): He is the deep dive. Raw as hell, but has something to work with. 25 Korey Cunningham Cincinnati 7-FA 6-5 311 4.90 - 2.74 - 1.75 27 35 1/2 - 09' 11" - / - OG: They've really all awakened, but since I have to have at least one... Skyler Phillips (Idaho St.): He's not going to be effective pulling for you, but he can work in the "phone booth" and move DL. 8 Skyler Phillips Idaho State 4-5 6-3 318 5.09 2.97 1.76 no bench 29 08'08" 4.69 7.95 OC: Frank Ragnow (Arkansas) but now he's pushing close to R2, so... Coleman Shelton (Washington) is pressed into duty... needs to get stronger, but can move. 8 Coleman Shelton Washington 7-FA 6-3 292 5.21 3.00 1.78 no bench 26 1/2 09'02" 4.59 7.62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Blimey some sleepers for sure , Kyle Allen isn’t listed in the top 62 named QB’s in Brugler’s draft and Korey Cunningham is down at #36 in the tackles list Impressive research and tape study Tour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 More than just his physical mechanics, I like Kurt because he has flashed high level traits as well between the ears. More so than some of the other 'Top' QB names in this draft. I maintain that had he beat Miami or at minimum went to a more renowned P5 school then he would be talked about as a potential 1st round pick. If we opt for Mayfield I believe we should look at Kurt mid round. I think he would win a head to head QB battle as a rookie over any of those guys not name Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Very interesting & appreciated Tour. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: QB: Kurt Benkert (UVA): Kurt was my first sighting this year. He's risen to a Late Day 2 Pick and has the 2nd best throwing mechanics in this draft. Kyle Allen (UofH): TBH I'd overlooked this kid until I heard Louis Riddick talk about him last week. Kid was a transfer to UH where he was benched... a lot... but when he played he was eye-popping. Issues? Probably, but for the price of a Rnd 7 or at most R6 Comp pick you'd get a QB3 prospect with a legit shot to become a starter. RB: Justin Jackson (NW): He's a mid, Day-3, plug'n'play bargain. What is he doing this low? WR: Dylan Cantrell (Texas Tech): Big and agile and projected to go in Day 3 TE: Ian Thomas (IU): He's complete, just not elite, but I really like him. Since he's a Day 2 guy I should go deeper... but I don't see anyone deeper... sorry. OT: Brian O'Neill (Pitt): Even tho he has risen to Day 2, I have to mention the most athletic OL in the draft. Kid has a chance to be great. Joseph Noteboom (TCU): He remains my Day 3 choice, but I've got a new, even deeper dive. Korey Cunningham (U of Cincinnatti): He is the deep dive. Raw as hell, but has something to work with. OG: They've really all awakened, but since I have to have at least one... Skyler Phillips (Idaho St.): He's not going to be effective pulling for you, but he can work in the "phone booth" and move DL. OC: Frank Ragnow (Arkansas) but now he's pushing close to R2, so... Coleman Shelton (Washington) is pressed into duty... needs to get stronger, but can move. How about Alex Cappa from Humboldt state day 3? Liked what I saw at the Senior Bowl and tape. Sure he's a project. Draft Projection Rounds 4-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Ragnow is PFF's best OL.. higher than the ND guys. Not exactly a sleeper and should be mid-round1.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Canton Mike said: Very interesting & appreciated Tour. Mike Yes this looks like one loaded draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said: Ragnow is PFF's best OL.. higher than the ND guys. Not exactly a sleeper and should be mid-round1.. Ragnarow should be a tough SOB: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Kyle Allen was a 5***** QB from Ariz. who came to A&M at the same time as 5***** receiver Christian Kirk, but got relieved during a particularly bad game, by Kyler Murray, another 5***** QB from N. Dallas. Then both Murray and Allen within a week of each other transferred out, Allen to UH and Murray to Ok. where he will finish his last year this coming season. As soon as Allen transferred he lost his HC to UT Austin and the team switched to a running offense, not utilizing the passing skills he has. He elected to go pro and is working with Palmer along with Darnold and Josh Allen. Palmer believes he is as good as the other two and will make some team an excellent developmental QB. Kyle Allen got terribly mishandled by Sumlin and then abandoned by his next coach to then be abandoned again by the run first offense of the next UH coach. He has had the worst run of bad luck for a guy with a great arm. Some team will take him either late or as a FA and develop him on the PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 measurables would be helpful. just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 12 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: As soon as Allen transferred he lost his HC to UT Austin and the team switched to a running offense... His timing could not have been worse. 16 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: Ragnow is PFF's best OL.. higher than the ND guys. Not exactly a sleeper and should be mid-round1.. PFF definitely marches to its own beat, but, yes, Ragnow has risen too high to be a true sleeper so I tabbed the U-Dub kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 18 hours ago, Orion said: measurables would be helpful. just sayin'. Done... and I've sent you an invoice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 21 hours ago, hoorta said: How about Alex Cappa from Humboldt state day 3? Liked what I saw at the Senior Bowl and tape. Sure he's a project. Draft Projection Rounds 4-5 Not a fan, h. Kid is going to have problems in space on the edge that I don't see going away. Just too limited athletically for my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/16/2018 at 3:46 PM, Tour2ma said: 8 Coleman Shelton Washington I'm just not getting good draft vibes from this kid.....;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 Kyle Allen has (or at least had—or should I say didn’t have?) zero leadership skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/16/2018 at 3:46 PM, Tour2ma said: Here's the metrics key: Position Rank - Name - Round - Ht. - Wt. - 40 time - 20 - 10 - Bench - Vert - Broad - 20 yd Shuttle - 3 Cone QB: Kurt Benkert (UVA): Kurt was my first sighting this year. He's risen to a Late Day 2 Pick and has the 2nd best throwing mechanics in this draft. 10 Kurt Benkert Virginia 5-6 6-3 218 4.95 2.86 1.71 16 31 09'04" 4.33 7.15 Kyle Allen (UofH): TBH I'd overlooked this kid until I heard Louis Riddick talk about him last week. Kid was a transfer to UH where he was benched... a lot... but when he played he was eye-popping. Issues? Probably, but for the price of a Rnd 7 or at most R6 Comp pick you'd get a QB3 prospect with a legit shot to become a starter. 20 *Kyle Allen Houston FA 6-3 210 4.71 - 2.67 - 1.71 / - / 28 1/2 / 09' 05" / 4.26 / - RB: Justin Jackson (NW): He's a mid, Day-3, plug'n'play bargain. What is he doing this low? 17 Justin Jackson Northwestern 5-6 6-0 199 4.50 2.62 1.57 13 38 1/2 10'02" 4.07 6.81 WR: Dylan Cantrell (Texas Tech): Big and agile and projected to go in Day 3 25 Dylan Cantrell Texas Tech 5-6 6-3 226 4.59 2.64 1.55 18 38 1/2 10'10" 4.03 6.56 TE: Ian Thomas (IU): He's complete, just not elite, but I really like him. Since he's a Day 2 guy I should go deeper... but I don't see anyone deeper... sorry. 5 Ian Thomas Indiana 3 6-4 259 4.65 2.70 1.56 36 10'03" 4.20 7.15 OT: Brian O'Neill (Pitt): Even tho he has risen to Day 2, I have to mention the most athletic OL in the draft. Kid has a chance to be great. 6 *Brian ONeill Pittsburgh 2-3 6-7 297 4.80 2.83 1.70 22 29 1/2 08'11" 4.50 7.14 Joseph Noteboom (TCU): He remains my Day 3 choice, but I've got a new, even deeper dive. 13 Joseph Noteboom Texas Christian 4-5 6-5 309 4.96 2.88 1.71 27 24 08'05" 4.44 7.65 Korey Cunningham (U of Cincinnatti): He is the deep dive. Raw as hell, but has something to work with. 25 Korey Cunningham Cincinnati 7-FA 6-5 311 4.90 - 2.74 - 1.75 27 35 1/2 - 09' 11" - / - OG: They've really all awakened, but since I have to have at least one... Skyler Phillips (Idaho St.): He's not going to be effective pulling for you, but he can work in the "phone booth" and move DL. 8 Skyler Phillips Idaho State 4-5 6-3 318 5.09 2.97 1.76 no bench 29 08'08" 4.69 7.95 OC: Frank Ragnow (Arkansas) but now he's pushing close to R2, so... Coleman Shelton (Washington) is pressed into duty... needs to get stronger, but can move. 8 Coleman Shelton Washington 7-FA 6-3 292 5.21 3.00 1.78 no bench 26 1/2 09'02" 4.59 7.62 I like the Brian O'Neil choice, bring him in to compete with Coleman at LT, with either of them able to switch to RT if necessary. If they don't bring in Joe Thomas to tutor the LTs in camp they're nuts, I think Joe would enjoy that opportunity, and could do it with his media interests intact. I imagine he is raising his kids in Cleveland, so ... he's there. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Orion said: I'm just not getting good draft vibes from this kid.....;) All Colemans are not created equal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: All Colemans are not created equal... Are you being discriminatory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 Discriminating... there's a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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