Tour2ma Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Kinda makes me like our odds... Rk Year 1 2016 Jared Goff 2 2015 Jameis Winston 3 2012 Andrew Luck 4 2011 Cam Newton 5 2010 Sam Bradford 6 2009 Matthew Stafford 7 2007 JaMarcus Russell 8 2005 Alex Smith 9 2004 Eli Manning 10 2003 Carson Palmer 11 2002 David Carr 12 2001 Michael Vick 13 1999 Tim Couch 14 1998 Peyton Manning 15 1993 Drew Bledsoe 16 1990 Jeff George 17 1989 Troy Aikman HOF 18 1987 Vinny Testaverde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Hopefully we avoid the next David Carr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 I give Carr and Couch passes due to major cases of NFLexpandiinitis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: I give Carr and Couch passes due to major cases of NFLexpandiinitis... I agree and Jamarcus Russell was just to stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Just now, 7moses7 said: Jamarcus Russell was just to stupid ... or talented. He was just such an outstanding athlete at every level he never had to work at his craft. When he met his match in the NFL it was too late. Jeff George is the one that really mystifies and frustrates me. He threw the prettiest ball I think I've ever seen. He just never mastered the position for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Kinda makes me like our odds... Rk Year 1 2016 Jared Goff 2 2015 Jameis Winston 3 2012 Andrew Luck 4 2011 Cam Newton 5 2010 Sam Bradford 6 2009 Matthew Stafford 7 2007 JaMarcus Russell 8 2005 Alex Smith 9 2004 Eli Manning 10 2003 Carson Palmer 11 2002 David Carr 12 2001 Michael Vick 13 1999 Tim Couch 14 1998 Peyton Manning 15 1993 Drew Bledsoe 16 1990 Jeff George 17 1989 Troy Aikman HOF 18 1987 Vinny Testaverde The Browns fan in me says "there have been no straight out busts since 2007 ... Oh no, we're due for one!" But the optimist in me says we finally grab the guy that surpasses all expectations and makes the 23 years in the desert worth the wait. Jeff George had a great arm but didn't play well with others and clashed with authority. Not good traits for a QB. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 If I could of picked any of those for the Browns it would of been Luck, Newton, Eli, Palmer, Peyton, Aikman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 11 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Kinda makes me like our odds... Rk Year 1 2016 Jared Goff 2 2015 Jameis Winston 3 2012 Andrew Luck 4 2011 Cam Newton 5 2010 Sam Bradford 6 2009 Matthew Stafford 7 2007 JaMarcus Russell 8 2005 Alex Smith 9 2004 Eli Manning 10 2003 Carson Palmer 11 2002 David Carr 12 2001 Michael Vick 13 1999 Tim Couch 14 1998 Peyton Manning 15 1993 Drew Bledsoe 16 1990 Jeff George 17 1989 Troy Aikman HOF 18 1987 Vinny Testaverde You only went back 30 years. To go 40 you would have also had to pick up John Elway in 1983. But, my how the worm has turned: If you take the years between 1977 and 1986 you get this: 1 QB: Elway 1 WR Irving Fryar 1 LB Tom Cousineau 2 DEs: Bruce Smith, Ken Sims 5 RBs: Ricky Bell, Earl Campbell, Billy Sims, George Rogers, Bo Jackson But yet, now, we have not had a RB taken #1 overall in like 21 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Tour2ma said: ... or talented. He was just such an outstanding athlete at every level he never had to work at his craft. When he met his match in the NFL it was too late. Jeff George is the one that really mystifies and frustrates me. He threw the prettiest ball I think I've ever seen. He just never mastered the position for whatever reason. Scot Mitchell and Jay Schroeder fall into that category as well as Jeff George... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Also, just FYI......the #1 overall pick has been either a QB, DE or OT every single year since 1996 1996 Last WR taken #1 overall: Keyshawn Johnson, WR 1995 was the last year a RB was #1: Kijana Carter. 1994 was the last year a DT was #1: Dan Wilkinson 1988 was the last year a LB (outside or inside) was taken #1: Aundray Bruce 1956 was the last year a DB was taken #1: Gary Glick 1948 was the last year an OC was taken #1: Chuck Bednarik.....listed as OC/LB NO TE or OG has ever been taken #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Also, just FYI......the #1 overall pick has been either a QB, DE or OT every single year since 1996 1996 Last WR taken #1 overall: Keyshawn Johnson, WR 1995 was the last year a RB was #1: Kijana Carter. 1994 was the last year a DT was #1: Dan Wilkinson 1988 was the last year a LB (outside or inside) was taken #1: Aundray Bruce 1956 was the last year a DB was taken #1: Gary Glick 1948 was the last year an OC was taken #1: Chuck Bednarik.....listed as OC/LB NO TE or OG has ever been taken #1 Oh god that's a scary list. I guess the best picks at #1 are the true skill (QB) or biggest need positions (DE or OT). I wonder how the 2018 quarterback class will stack up over time? Ahhhh, that's why we love Draft Days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, mjp28 said: Oh god that's a scary list. I guess the best picks at #1 are the true skill (QB) or biggest need positions (DE or OT). I wonder how the 2018 quarterback class will stack up over time? Ahhhh, that's why we love Draft Days! Well....there was 1 Hall of Famer on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Here are a few other notes: Of the 82 #1 overall picks since 1936, (not including AFL) 13 of them are in the HOF now. Or 15.8%. There is also one certain HOF not yet eligible: Peyton Manning....and a couple of borderline: Eli Manning/Carson Palmer. Plus, it is too early to tell likely about the last 10 or so: there could be 1 or 2: Newton looking the best so far. The percentage would go up when you consider that two of the AFL Drafts #1 overall picks are also in the HOF: 1963 Buck Buchanan 1965 Joe Namath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 And that list of #1 overall going into the HOF: Bill Dudley Charley Trippi Chuck Bednarik Paul Hornung Ron Yary OJ Simpson Terry Bradshaw Leroy Selmon Earl Campbell John Elway Bruce Smith Troy Aikman Orlando Pace Plus Namath and Buchanan from AFL Green = QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 A lot of non-QBs in that list for a QB thread... Speaking of QB lists here's an interesting one in a reddit post... Quote Speaking of unteachable size/throwing velocity, here's your list of 6'4"+ QBs who threw the ball 59+ mph at a combine or pro day: Colin Kaepernick, Brandon Weeden, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, Cardale Jones (61 mph on sports science), Paxton Lynch, Davis Webb, Josh Rosen, and Josh Allen (62 mph) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Here are the teams that have, in the past selected multiple QBs with the #1 overall pick: Baltimore/Indy Colts: 5 QBs: George Shaw, John Elway, Jeff George, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck LA/St. Louis Rams: 4 QBs: Bill Wade, Terry Baker, Sam Bradford, Jared Goff Tampa Bay Bucs: 2 QBs: Vinny Testaverde, Jameis Winston New England Patriots: 2 QBs: Jim Plunkett, Drew Bledsoe Green Bay Packers: 2 QBs?: Randy Duncan...and Paul Hornung...listed as a QB coming out of college but played RB in the pros Atlanta Falcons: 2 QBs: Steve Bartkowski, Michael Vick Cleveland Browns: 2 QBs...so far: Bobby Garrett, Tim Couch. They will likely become the third team in history to have picked 3 or more with #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: A lot of non-QBs in that list for a QB thread... Is it a QB thread....or a #1 overall thread? I gave it a liberal interpretation...and I edited it to fix it up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 13 hours ago, Tour2ma said: I give Carr and Couch passes due to major cases of NFLexpandiinitis... Does an 0-16 team count as a case of expansionitis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Here is the breakdown of positions of the #1 overall picks (NFL only): OC: 1.5 (Bednarik) DB: 1 DE: 11 DT: 3 WR/E: 5 OT: 4 LB: 3.5 (Bednarik) FB/HB/RB: 22 QB: 31 As highlighted earlier....of the 31 QBs taken #1....only 3 from the NFL draft had made the HOF: Bradshaw/Elway/Aikman...plus another certain will come: Peyton (plus Namath from AFL) Of the 22 RBs, 5 have made HOF: Campbell, OJ, Dudley, Trippi, Hornung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 18 hours ago, Tour2ma said: A lot of non-QBs in that list for a QB thread... Speaking of QB lists here's an interesting one in a reddit post... That is a list of impressive QBs. At least they didn't wear a "Fu-ck Trump" hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 ???? One did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 It's now less than 2 weeks 'til we find out who our QB of the future is. It's been a long time since 1999. We've tried the 'later in the round' thing. We've tried the 'in later rounds' thing. It's FINALLY time to take one at the TOP of the draft. - kind of exciting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Orion said: kind of exciting..... Is "nerve-racking" the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Is "nerve-racking" the same thing? Oh yes the pressure and expectations are sky high! Will the new quarterback #28 or #29 or whenever he starts be the rookie franchise savior that leads the BROWNS to the NFL promise land? Oh god I'm hyperventilating and it's only Friday April 13th, OMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 On 4/12/2018 at 10:56 AM, Tour2ma said: ???? One did... Don’t know about Kaep. I was referencing the fact that they would only be worse if they had stabbed the sacred cow like Rosen. Hurt so many feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 45 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Don’t know about Kaep. I was referencing the fact that they would only be worse if they had stabbed the sacred cow like Rosen. Hurt so many feelings. Sacred Cow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 This woman is a real piece of work: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Is "nerve-racking" the same thing? We've been 'conditioned' to expect failure so we have a fear of optimism and the conceived inevitable letdown to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Is "nerve-racking" the same thing? Like the Browns have ever blown two first-rounders in the same draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 2012 3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State 2013 6 Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU 2014 8 Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State 22 Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M 2015 12 Danny Shelton DT Washington 19 Cameron Erving C Florida State 2016 15 Corey Coleman WR Baylor 2017 1 Myles Garrett * DE Texas A&M 25 Jabrill Peppers DB Michigan 29 David Njoku TE Miami I can't put my finger on why we've only won one game in the last couple of years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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