How Can/Will The Browns Blow It? Or Not?

[nickers]

38 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Smokescreen?

I would certainly hope that's all it is

[nickers]

2 hours ago, boo fagley said:

1- Jared Goff - looks like a keeper. Rams are a promising team for 2018.

2 -Jam Winston - Bust. Terrible QB draft. Mariota is fair.

3- Andy Luck - Always injured

4- Cam Newton - Better than average. Made it to a Super Bowl and choked.

5- Sam Bradford - Always injured.

6- Matt Stafford - Better than average.

7- Jamarcus Russel - Bust

8- Alex Smith - Better than average

9- E Manning - Enough said.

10- Carson Palmer - Better than average.

11- David Carr - Bust from day 1.

12- Mike Vick - Bust. Tarkentons dont make it in todays NFL, but some teams think that they do.

13- Tim Couch - Enough said.

14- P Manning - HOF  Enough said.

15- Drew Bledsoe - Better than average.

16- Jeff George - Bust.

17- Troy Aikman - HOF Enough said.

18- Vinny Testaverde - Better than average.

19- Bernie Kosar - 

20- Steve Young - HOF

21- John Elway - HOF

Available in the 2018 draft I take 1 of these 7 -  Elway, Young, Kosar, Aikman, P Manning, E Manning and Jared Goff.

GM grounds for firing on draft day if 1 of these 6 -  Couch, George, Carr, Vick, Russel and Winston.

Post season QBs these 5 - Testaverde, Palmer, Luck, Newton and Smith.

Overrated these 3- Bledsoe, Stafford and Bradford. Luck too.

 

Inny Testicle turdie was lazy.. never watched film as much as he shouldve.. He had bad work habits... Couldnt read defenses to save his soul...Was a turnover machine.. He sucked!

[Tour2ma]

4 hours ago, nickers said:

Inny Testicle turdie was lazy.. never watched film as much as he shouldve.. He had bad work habits... Couldnt read defenses to save his soul...Was a turnover machine.. He sucked!

I can disprove most of that with two words.... Bill Belichick.

[The Gipper]

27 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

I can disprove most of that with two words.... Bill Belichick.

Or, just use his stats....not that they are great....but a guy doesn't play 20 years by being a complete bum:

Passing

 

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					233	214	90-123-1	3787	6701	56.5	46233	275	4.1	267	4.0	89	6.9	5.9	12.2	198.4	75.0		417	2992	6.07	5.16	5.9	29	33	142
7 yrs		NYJ			65	61	35-26-0	1094	1854	59.0	12497	77	4.2	58	3.1	82	6.7	6.2	11.4	192.3	80.2		77	545	6.19	5.64	4.0	14	13	42
6 yrs		TAM			76	72	24-48-0	1126	2160	52.1	14820	77	3.6	112	5.2	89	6.9	5.2	13.2	195.0	64.4		197	1549	5.63	4.15	8.4	8	9	41
3 yrs		CLE			37	31	16-15-0	578	998	57.9	7255	47	4.7	37	3.7	81	7.3	6.5	12.6	196.1	80.9		46	271	6.69	6.00	4.4	1	3	24
2 yrs		BAL			29	29	8-20-1	596	1019	58.5	7148	51	5.0	34	3.3	86	7.0	6.5	12.0	246.5	82.8		54	399	6.29	5.81	5.0	3	4	25
1 yr		CAR			7	6	2-4-0	94	172	54.7	952	5	2.9	6	3.5	65	5.5	4.5	10.1	136.0	65.8		9	46	5.01	4.07	5.0	1	1	0
1 yr		DAL			16	15	5-10-0	297	495	60.0	3532	17	3.4	20	4.0	53	7.1	6.0	11.9	220.8	76.4		34	182	6.33	5.27	6.4	2	3	10
1 yr		NWE			3	0		2	3	66.7	29	1	33.3	0	0.0	23	9.7	16.3	14.5	9.7	137.5		0	0	9.67	16.33	0.0			0
1987	24	TAM	qb	14	6	4	0-4-0	71	165	43.0	1081	5	3.0	6	3.6	40	6.6	5.5	15.2	180.2	60.2		18	140	5.14	4.21	9.8			4
1988	25	TAM	QB	14	15	15	5-10-0	222	466	47.6	3240	13	2.8	35	7.5	59	7.0	4.1	14.6	216.0	48.8		33	292	5.91	3.27	6.6	2	3	6
1989	26	TAM	QB	14	14	14	5-9-0	258	480	53.8	3133	20	4.2	22	4.6	78	6.5	5.3	12.1	223.8	68.9		38	294	5.48	4.34	7.3	2	2	9
1990	27	TAM	QB	14	14	13	6-7-0	203	365	55.6	2818	17	4.7	18	4.9	89	7.7	6.4	13.9	201.3	75.6		38	330	6.17	5.01	9.4	3	3	9
1991	28	TAM	QB	14	13	12	3-9-0	166	326	50.9	1994	8	2.5	15	4.6	87	6.1	4.5	12.0	153.4	59.0		35	234	4.88	3.45	9.7			4
1992	29	TAM	QB	14	14	14	5-9-0	206	358	57.5	2554	14	3.9	16	4.5	81	7.1	5.9	12.4	182.4	74.2		35	259	5.84	4.72	8.9	1	1	9
1993	30	CLE	QB	12	10	6	3-3-0	130	230	56.5	1797	14	6.1	9	3.9	62	7.8	7.3	13.8	179.7	85.7		17	101	6.87	6.36	6.9	1	1	7
1994	31	CLE	QB	12	14	13	9-4-0	207	376	55.1	2575	16	4.3	18	4.8	81	6.8	5.5	12.4	183.9	70.7		12	83	6.42	5.16	3.1	0	1	8
1995	32	CLE	QB	12	13	12	4-8-0	241	392	61.5	2883	17	4.3	10	2.6	70	7.4	7.1	12.0	221.8	87.8		17	87	6.84	6.57	4.2	0	1	9
1996*	33	BAL	QB	12	16	16	4-12-0	325	549	59.2	4177	33	6.0	19	3.5	86	7.6	7.3	12.9	261.1	88.7		34	270	6.70	6.37	5.8	2	3	16
1997	34	BAL	QB	12	13	13	4-8-1	271	470	57.7	2971	18	3.8	15	3.2	54	6.3	5.7	11.0	228.5	75.9		20	129	5.80	5.16	4.1	1	1	9
1998*	35	NYJ	QB	16	14	13	12-1-0	259	421	61.5	3256	29	6.9	7	1.7	82	7.7	8.4	12.6	232.6	101.6		19	140	7.08	7.68	4.3	3	3	14
1999	36	NYJ	qb	16	1	1	0-1-0	10	15	66.7	96	1	6.7	1	6.7	27	6.4	4.7	9.6	96.0	78.7		0	0	6.40	4.73	0.0			0
2000	37	NYJ	QB	16	16	16	9-7-0	328	590	55.6	3732	21	3.6	25	4.2	63	6.3	5.1	11.4	233.3	69.0		13	71	6.07	4.90	2.2	4	4	9
2001	38	NYJ	QB	16	16	16	10-6-0	260	441	59.0	2752	15	3.4	14	3.2	40	6.2	5.5	10.6	172.0	75.3		18	122	5.73	5.01	3.9	5	5	10
2002	39	NYJ	qb	16	5	4	1-3-0	54	83	65.1	499	3	3.6	3	3.6	35	6.0	5.1	9.2	99.8	78.3		9	62	4.75	3.93	9.8	1	0	2
2003	40	NYJ	qb	16	7	7	2-5-0	123	198	62.1	1385	7	3.5	2	1.0	61	7.0	7.2	11.3	197.9	90.6		6	48	6.55	6.80	2.9	1	1	5
2004	41	DAL	QB	16	16	15	5-10-0	297	495	60.0	3532	17	3.4	20	4.0	53	7.1	6.0	11.9	220.8	76.4		34	182	6.33	5.27	6.4	2	3	10
2005	42	NYJ	qb	16	6	4	1-3-0	60	106	56.6	777	1	0.9	6	5.7	47	7.3	5.0	13.0	129.5	59.4		12	102	5.72	3.60	10.2			2
2006	43	NWE		14	3	0		2	3	66.7	29	1	33.3	0	0.0	23	9.7	16.3	14.5	9.7	137.5	99.9	0	0	9.67	16.33	0.0			0
2007	44	CAR	qb	16	7	6	2-4-0	94	172	54.7	952	5	2.9	6	3.5	65	5.5	4.5	10.1	136.0	65.8	33.8	9	46	5.01	4.07	5.0	1	1	0

[The Gipper]

Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about  1:1.     Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played.  Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.

[nickers]

I still think he sucked.. I remember when he went to Miami.. Jimmy Johnson use to rag on him for not doing film study..He was more worried about getting his schwanse lit...

[The Gipper]

21 minutes ago, nickers said:

I still think he sucked.. I remember when he went to Miami.. Jimmy Johnson use to rag on him for not doing film study..He was more worried about getting his schwanse lit...

How would you even know that?

[nickers]

17 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

How would you even know that?

I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about  1:1.     Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played.  Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.

Plus career 56% completions. As they said in Tampa, Vinny is just good enough to get you beat...  

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, nickers said:

I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...

I mean the part about getting laid.   Doubt that Jimmy Johnson said that.

[The Gipper]

3 hours ago, hoorta said:

Plus career 56% completions. As they said in Tampa, Vinny is just good enough to get you beat...  

Ahhh...and who among the current crew of QB prospects comes to mind?

[Unsympathetic]

 

[The Gipper]

24 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

 

Does the 105 mean they find him to be the 105th best prospect available in this draft?  I have heard reports to that effect before....but the allure of his big arm will give him a much higher draft slotting.   Maybe this just goes to show the reaching that is happening these days for QBs.

[Tour2ma]

 

1 hour ago, nickers said:

I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...

So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???

Does that sound right to you?

 

[nickers]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

I mean the part about getting laid.   Doubt that Jimmy Johnson said that.

He eluded to something on that order.. I can't remember verbatim... But Jimmy had a way of saying what he felt...

[hoorta]

2 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

 

So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???

Does that sound right to you?

 

Tour- all time W-L,  90-123-1. Turrible, just turrible. Sure, he played on some bad teams, but I'd still take Archie Manning over Vinny.  

[Tour2ma]

We're talkin' preparation, h....

 

 

 

 

Sorry... couldn't help myself....

[nickers]

4 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

We're talkin' preparation, h....

 

 

 

 

Sorry... couldn't help myself....

Agida can do bad things LOL

[boo fagley]

19 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.

But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.

I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break.  Both Carr and Couch were  the first pick of  teams that up to that point were just paper teams.  And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries.  And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.

Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.

Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.

[TexasAg1969]

ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).

[boo fagley]

1 minute ago, TexasAg1969 said:

ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).

One of these drafts luck will change for the better.

[Kvoethe]

I think we draft Antonio Callaway.

he seems like a perfect Hue project that should be picked at 4.  1st round talent fo sho!!

marijuana schmariwanna... draft that talent!!  No red flags here!!

[Ghoolie]

This should be the best Draft the Browns have had since they took Jim Brown. It is also the easiest draft to proceed properly. 

1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.

2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.

Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.

ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.

[The Gipper]

4 hours ago, boo fagley said:

Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.

Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.

Well...it WAS Couch who "lead" the team that year.   Holcomb started a couple of games due to Couch's injuries, plus the playoff game.   Torn Rotator Cuff AND torn Labrum caused Couch's demise.  

Passing

 

 

No.	Player	Age	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD
	Team Total	26.3		16		9-7-0	338	552	61.2	3665	27	4.9	22	4.0	78	6.6	5.8	10.8	229.1	80.5		35	253	5.81	5.05	6.0	4	5
	Opp Total			16			299	513	58.3	3441	20	3.9	17	3.3		6.7	6.00	11.5	215.1	77.8		28	172	6.0	5.4	5.2
2	Tim Couch	25	QB	14	14	8-6-0	273	443	61.6	2842	18	4.1	18	4.1	78	6.4	5.4	10.4	203.0	76.8		30	213	5.56	4.61	6.3	3	4
10	Kelly Holcomb	29	qb	4	2	1-1-0	64	106	60.4	790	8	7.5	4	3.8	44	7.5	7.3	12.3	197.5	92.9		5	40	6.76	6.58	4.5	1	1
85	Kevin Johnson	26	WR	16	15		1	2	50.0	33	1	50.0	0	0.0	33	16.5	26.5	33.0	2.1	135.4		0	0	16.50	26.50	0.0
88	Frisman Jackson	23		7	0		0	1	0.0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0.0		0.0	39.6		0	0	0.00	0.00	0.0

[The Gipper]

2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).

Well.....that is in fact their track record.    Of course, it is also hindsight.

[The Gipper]

32 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

This should be the best Draft the Browns have had since they took Jim Brown. It is also the easiest draft to proceed properly. 

1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.

2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.

Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.

ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.

Barkley's best moves are with pom poms in his hands.    He will be nothing more than a cheerleader.  He will continue the long tradition of First round Penn State RB busts:    Kijana Carter, Curtis Enis, Blair Thomas.  

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Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick		Pos	DrAge	Tm	From	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	College/Univ
1	2011	6	177	Evan Royster	RB	23	WAS	2011	2013	0	0	0	4	32	2	81	416	2	25	180	0	Penn St.	College Stats
2	2007	3	90	Tony Hunt	RB	21	PHI	2007	2008	0	0	0	0	14	2	14	25	2	6	42	0	Penn St.	College Stats
3	2004	7	241	Sean McHugh	FB	22	TEN	2004	2008	0	0	1	2	40	17				23	301	0	Penn St.	College Stats
4	2003	1	27	Larry Johnson	RB	23	KAN	2003	2011	1	2	4	51	85	55	1427	6223	55	154	1373	6	Penn St.	College Stats
5	2002	4	107	Omar Easy	FB	24	KAN	2002	2005	0	0	0	0	53	0	4	1	0	6	42	1	Penn St.	College Stats
6	1998	1	5	Curtis Enis	RB	22	CHI	1998	2000	0	0	1	10	36	18	456	1497	4	59	428	2	Penn St.	College Stats
7	1996	3	92	Jon Witman	RB	24	PIT	1996	2001	0	0	3	3	85	43	37	129	0	39	263	0	Penn St.	College Stats
8	1996	4	115	Brian Milne	RB	23	IND	1996	2000	0	0	2	3	63	38	36	126	4	57	324	1	Penn St.	College Stats
9	1996	6	198	Stephen Pitts	RB		SFO			0	0	0										Penn St.	College Stats
10	1996	7	218	Mike Archie	RB	23	HOU	1996	1998	0	0	0	0	23	0	6	24	1	5	25	0	Penn St.	College Stats
11	1995	1	1	Ki-Jana Carter	RB	21	CIN	1996	2004	0	0	0	12	59	14	319	1144	20	66	469	1	Penn St.	College Stats
12	1993	6	144	Richie Anderson	FB	21	NYJ	1993	2004	0	1	5	29	161	82	318	1274	4	400	3149	14	Penn St.	College Stats
13	1992	8	205	Sam Gash	FB	23	NWE	1992	2003	0	2	5	13	177	78	121	327	2	169	1347	13	Penn St.	College Stats
14	1991	6	158	Leroy Thompson	RB	22	PIT	1991	1996	0	0	0	18	80	9	404	1390	6	153	1193	5	Penn St.	College Stats
15	1991	8	214	Gary Brown	RB	22	HOU	1991	1999	0	0	3	27	99	47	1032	4300	21	84	631	3	Penn St.	College Stats
16	1990	1	2	Blair Thomas	RB	22	NYJ	1990	1995	0	0	3	20	64	36	533	2236	7	71	513	2	Penn St.	College Stats
17	1987	1	14	D.J. Dozier	RB	21	MIN	1987	1991	0	0	0	8	43	11	172	691	7	33	301	2	Penn St.	College Stats
18	1987	3	80	Tim Manoa	RB	22	CLE	1987	1991	0	0	1	9	53	24	236	938	6	40	308	2	Penn St.	College Stats
19	1987	3	81	Steve Smith	RB	23	RAI	1987	1995	0	0	6	20	128	91	429	1627	9	131	1250	13	Penn St.	College Stats
20	1985	12	328	Tony Mumford	RB	22	NWE	1985	1985	0	0	0	0	2	0							Penn St.	College Stats
21	1984	3	70	Jon Williams	RB	23	NWE	1984	1984	0	0	0	0	9	0							Penn St.	College Stats
22	1983	1	3	Curt Warner	RB	22	SEA	1983	1990	0	3	6	60	100	94	1698	6844	56	193	1467	7	Penn St.	College Stats
23	1982	5	126	Mike Meade	RB	22	GNB	1982	1985	0	0	0	3	49	8	72	261	1	21	126	2	Penn St.	College Stats
24	1981	1	28	Booker Moore	RB	22	BUF	1982	1985	0	0	2	6	51	32	115	420	1	75	423	1	Penn St.	College Stats
25	1980	2	46	Matt Suhey	RB	22	CHI	1980	1989	0	0	7	34	148	100	828	2946	20	260	2113	5	Penn St.	College Stats
26	1980	6	154	Mike Guman	RB	22	RAM	1980	1988	0	0	4	24	106	52	342	1286	11	150	1433	4	Penn St.	College Stats
27	1979	6	145	Bob Torrey	RB	22	NYG	1979	1980	0	0	0	1	14	0	13	61	1	2	3	0	Penn St.	College Stats
28	1978	6	155	Steve Geise	RB		CIN			0	0	0										Penn St.	College Stats
29	1975	4	102	Tom Donchez	RB	23	BUF	1975	1975	0	0	0	0	14	0							Penn St.	College Stats
30	1974	1	11	John Cappelletti	RB	22	RAM	1974	1983	0	0	5	34	105	63	824	2951	24	135	1233	4	Penn St.	College Stats
Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick	Player	Pos	DrAge	Tm	From	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	College/Univ	College_link
31	1974	5	106	Gary Hayman	RB	22	BUF	1974	1975	0	0	0	0	15	0	17	61	0				Penn St.	College Stats
32	1972	1	13	Franco Harris HOF	RB	22	PIT	1972	1984	1	9	12	102	173	162	2949	12120	91	307	2287	9	Penn St.	College Stats
33	1972	2	48	Lydell Mitchell	RB	23	BAL	1972	1980	0	3	6	90	111	84	1675	6534	30	376	3203	17	Penn St.	College Stats
34	1970	3	58	Charlie Pittman	RB	22	STL	1970	1971	0	0	0	0	18	0	4	7	0				Penn St.	College Stats
35	1967	16	415	Mike Irwin	HB		BUF			0	0	0										Penn St.	College Stats
36	1966	8	116	Don Kunit	HB		DAL			0	0	0										Penn St.	College Stats

 

Not much since the early 70s....though, I guess Larry Johnson is pretty good.  Didn't even realize he was a Penn Stater.

I guess Curt Warner  (not Kurt Warner)....from 1983 was pretty good.

[Ghoolie]

Dumb logic. THere is absolutely no statistical, emotional, moral, physical data from this schidt chart that indicates anything about how well Barkley will perform. His genetics, drive, intelligence and physical abilities are not affected in any way by what school he chose to attend.

The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed. Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft. This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.

Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.

QB at #1  #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.

The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.

FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.

The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.

Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.

[The Gipper]

52 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

Dumb logic. THere is absolutely no statistical, emotional, moral, physical data from this schidt chart that indicates anything about how well Barkley will perform. His genetics, drive, intelligence and physical abilities are not affected in any way by what school he chose to attend.

No shite Sherlock....you are just now getting around to figuring out this is a lot of bullshite?  Congratulations...your intellect is now at 3rd grade level.

The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed.

No, it isn't you pompous wanker....I have nothing to do with how the Browns make their decisions.  Nor do you...nor any other fan.  To suggest otherwise is cretinous.

 

Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft.

Again...no, it isn't. Jane you ignorant slut. Browns culture has nothing to do with but a few human beings on this earth...the owners and the GMs and the coaches.  I simply spent time doing something that was entertaining to me and provocative to others.  Congratulations, not only have you attained third grade intellect....you have just been named Boob of the year for falling for this. I didn't even have to add sinkers to the line to catch you.

 

This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.

No, they are not, you just lie about what predictions you have made.  Most of your predictions have been of the Paxton Lynch variety...off by miles.

Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.

Welll....it looks like perhaps you have graduated to a 4th grade intellect. You got at least one thing something close to right in your tantrum. These QBs ARE hard to distinguish....and one you get at 4 could very well be just as good or better as one you get at #1.

QB at #1  #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.

The more you type....the more it is evident that you only concentrate on your own navel lint.  Did you see the thread that ME, Myself, and I started called The Prudent Solution?  Go back and read what I said before you begin regurgitating your own jizm.  I said to think about not taking a QB until the late 1st/early 2d round.

The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.

FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.

Actually....the better strategy would be to take Chubb #1....and to leave the merengue dancer out on the dance floor.  He just won't be that good.

The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.

Yea, sure they refuse on purpose.   You really are a Gump, aren't you.   Where did we find you....on a park bench in Savannah?

Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.

Of course whether or not Barkley pans out is the issue. The failure of Richardson, or Coleman, or Quinn/Manziel/Weeden etc. etc to pan out sure as hell has been "THE ISSUE".   The failures of the offensive skill players they have chosen over the years is what has resulted in this losing culture (aside from having loser fans like you)  Barkley would just be another one of those in the long line.   I agree that the Browns should NOT fail to take the best player in this draft....only problem for you is that The Squaw ain't the best player.  

 

[Ghoolie]

1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

 

Gip, please, turn your O2 tank back on.

[Gunz41]

Sorry I haven't posted in awhile guys, but I have noticed a few things here, some good and some bad. I'll just go over some highlights.

Ghoolie made a point, and whether you want to look at it as good/bad is your call. Barkley coming from Penn State doesn't matter for his production, BUT there are schools who are known for quality positions, not all to do with the player, but the COACHING. Penn State is known as LB U, and Wisconsin turns out great OL. Then there are schools who just turn out great players, such as Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc.

There are 4 guys who are looked at as top QB prospects, I have no clue who will be the best, but I think the safest pick is Darnold, and biggest boom or bust is Allen.

You guys have to give Ghoolie credit, he has now said 3 QBs, meaning he is either easing up a bit or covering his bases. I don't mind Ghoolie, and he wont admit it, but he has mentioned in past 3 different QB as top, Jackson, Baker, Rosen. 

But I HAVE to get after you Ghoolie for your last statement. Saying it doesn't matter how Barkley pans out as he is consensus top player so they aren't making a mistake. Last year, Garrett was even higher consensus top player and that was wrong? Whether you like Garrett or Barkley is a moot point for your argument, for THAT argument, you CANT have it both ways.

Hope everyone enjoys the draft tomorrow. God Bless