Canton Mike Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 IMHO, ANY of the top 4 QBs in 2018 would be a dramatic upgrade to ANY we have had since '99 save Tim Couch, who might be in this conversation had he been given anything to work with. We can't really lose with any of the 4, but I think 2 stand out intellectually. Those 2 are Rosen & Mayfield. I could be wrong, but those 2 guys seem to be the total packages of physical & mental skills required to lead & excel at the QB position. Physical attributes are only PART of the equation. I'll accept & support any QB Dorsey & Co bring in, but I would be ELATED with Mayfield and/or Rosen (listed alphabetically). Just an old guys opinion. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Man, that's so funny because I'd go with just the opposite. Allen then Darnold. Rosen has been injured way too much and doesn't want to be here. Mayfield is way too short and would be just another Manziel (slightly better). Great in college, but not at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 At least Mayfield was great in college. Allen was barely average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Mark O said: At least Mayfield was great in college. Allen was barely average. The Allen at #1 love is absolutely baffling. There literally cannot be a worse combination than Josh Allen and the Cleveland Browns, for both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Canton Mike said: IMHO, ANY of the top 4 QBs in 2018 would be a dramatic upgrade to ANY we have had since '99... Three out of four is as high as I can go... ... and with two "dramtic" gets iffy... .. and then there's the issue of when... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Tyrod will be a big improvement over most of the QB's we've had. The #1 pick better be a franchise changer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 http://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-cleveland-browns-down-to-sam-darnold-or-josh-allen-for-no-1-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft/95-532550293 Report: Cleveland Browns down to Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for No. 1 pick in 2018 NFL Draft With one month to go until the draft, the Browns appear to have narrowed their quarterback decision to two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 hours ago, dawg2fan said: Man, that's so funny because I'd go with just the opposite. Allen then Darnold. Rosen has been injured way too much and doesn't want to be here. Mayfield is way too short and would be just another Manziel (slightly better). Great in college, but not at the NFL level. That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL. Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph. Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc. Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have. Maybe the Seahawks draft him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL. Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph. Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc. Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have. Maybe the Seahawks draft him? huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Keith BrittonVerified account @KeithBritton86 .@KenCarman on #Browns No. 1 pick: “I’ve talked to several people over there, it’s just about settled, it’s Sam Darnold. I’ll put my reputation on it. It’s gonna be Sam Darnold.” 3:48 AM - 28 Mar 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: huh? Kolton Miller - predicted first round in plenty of mocks. https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/1/29/16945588/kolton-miller-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-offensive-tackle-ucla-pac-12 Projected: Top-15 Pro Comparison: Jake Matthews - Atlanta Falcons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 They are high on crack thinking he'll be in top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: http://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-cleveland-browns-down-to-sam-darnold-or-josh-allen-for-no-1-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft/95-532550293 Report: Cleveland Browns down to Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for No. 1 pick in 2018 NFL Draft With one month to go until the draft, the Browns appear to have narrowed their quarterback decision to two. Hue essentially said- "it's not decided yet". ^^^^ Click bait- all 4 are still being evaluated. Dorsey said going back, plenty to think about. Why would the Browns even bother bringing in Rosen and Mayfield, if it's narrowed down to Darnold or Allen? I doubt they'd waste that much time just to muddy the waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Source is w"ky"c. With ky in it, sounds like a good followup for Seinfeld's "spongeworthy". All we got was Allen and a case of ky from Mel "Ky"per Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 6 hours ago, calfoxwc said: That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL. Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph. Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc. Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have. Maybe the Seahawks draft him? Agree with all points Cal. I think Jackson is a bit small, not as much girth as Russell Wilson. Just don't see him lasting in the NFL. He might get a shot at QB, but I see him serving better as a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 12 hours ago, Mark O said: At least Mayfield was great in college. Allen was barely average. Means nothing in the NFL. If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats. When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn? I mean really sit and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, dawg2fan said: I mean really sit and learn. Like when you have a very willing but really stupid classmate and you tell him 'Hey, leave that to us, you just sit and learn'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 37 minutes ago, Nero said: Like when you have a very willing but really stupid classmate and you tell him 'Hey, leave that, to us, you just sit and learn'? Yeah, I suppose that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 13 hours ago, Mark O said: At least Mayfield was great in college. Allen was barely average. On the 35th anniversary of the quarterback class of 1983 I'm looking forward to the eh class of 2018. Who knows there might be one better than average one! Maybe. (don't take a poll on that one here ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 I think it will be Darnold. But you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 hours ago, dawg2fan said: Means nothing in the NFL. If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats. When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn? I mean really sit and learn. It means nothing? So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn". He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 8 hours ago, hoorta said: Hue essentially said- "it's not decided yet". ^^^^ Click bait- all 4 are still being evaluated. Dorsey said going back, plenty to think about. Why would the Browns even bother bringing in Rosen and Mayfield, if it's narrowed down to Darnold or Allen? I doubt they'd waste that much time just to muddy the waters. It isn't unheard of to bring in players to get an idea about, for trade proposal perspective from other teams. As in, this is guy is high on their list - we can get more from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 31 minutes ago, Mark O said: It means nothing? So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn". He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1? Chapman isn't in the draft til 2019. He's shorter than Mayfield... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 30 minutes ago, Mark O said: It means nothing? So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn". He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1? The top 4 quarterbacks being discussed are Mayfield, Allen, Rosen, and Darnold according the experts. I assume you knew this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, dawg2fan said: The top 4 quarterbacks being discussed are Mayfield, Allen, Rosen, and Darnold according the experts. I assume you knew this. Of course I know this. And you really believe that having success in college means nothing in the NFL? Really? I'll take one of the QB's that has had some success over the guy who falls flat on his face against good competition in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Nero said: Like when you have a very willing but really stupid classmate and you tell him 'Hey, leave that to us, you just sit and learn'? Westside Steve was a classmate of mine in junior English....Mr. Harpool. Some people told him to sit and learn....and he sat down on a big gob of bubblegum. He learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, mjp28 said: On the 35th anniversary of the quarterback class of 1983 I'm looking forward to the eh class of 2018. Who knows there might be one better than average one! Maybe. (don't take a poll on that one here ) Or....check out 1999 or 2011. It could go that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, dawg2fan said: The top 4 quarterbacks being discussed are Mayfield, Allen, Rosen, and Darnold according the experts. I assume you knew this. That does not mean that they will end up being the Top QBs to come out of that class. Take a look at 2012 if you will, for an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, Mark O said: Of course I know this. And you really believe that having success in college means nothing in the NFL? Really? I'll take one of the QB's that has had some success over the guy who falls flat on his face against good competition in college. I think a QB with more potential in college, can certainly surprise. I can be wrong, but I do think Allen can be they guy. Go back to the USC QBs over the years, they have been superlative in college, but haven't panned out in the NFL. Look at Ryan Leaf's stats coming out of Washington State. He was drafted ahead of Peyton Manning. College stats can be very misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 minute ago, dawg2fan said: I think a QB with more potential in college, can certainly surprise. I can be wrong, but I do think Allen can be they guy. Go back to the USC QBs over the years, they have been superlative in college, but haven't panned out in the NFL. Look at Ryan Leaf's stats coming out of Washington State. He was drafted ahead of Peyton Manning. College stats can be very misleading. Ryan Leaf was not drafted ahead of Peyton Manning. Allen is Kizer 2.0 and we all saw how that worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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