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Here is the list of USC QBs that have been drafted in the drafts common era,  1966 to present:

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Rk Year Rnd Pick   Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ  
1 2016 3 93 Cody Kessler QB 23 CLE 2016 2017 0 0 1 3 12 8 0-8-0 139 218 1506 6 3 12 17 0 USC College Stats
2 2013 4 98 Matt Barkley QB 22 PHI 2013 2016 0 0 0 2 11 6 1-5-0 159 266 1911 8 18 12 0 0 USC College Stats
3 2009 1 5 Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2016 0 0 5 34 77 72 37-35-0 1295 2285 15219 86 86 169 449 13 USC College Stats
4 2008 5 137 John David Booty QB   MIN     0 0 0                         USC  
5 2006 1 10 Matt Leinart QB 23 ARI 2006 2012 0 0 1 12 33 18 8-10-0 366 641 4065 15 21 47 89 2 USC College Stats
6 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel QB 23 NWE 2005 2017 0 1 5 46 106 81 36-45-0 1571 2666 17449 104 81 266 1012 5 USC College Stats
7 2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2017 0 3 11 108 182 181 92-88-1 3941 6307 46247 294 187 301 474 8 USC College Stats
8 1996 7 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB   GNB     0 0 0                         USC College Stats
9 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson QB 22 JAX 1995 2003 0 0 1 19 48 29 12-17-0 494 806 5795 30 23 140 877 4 USC College Stats
10 1991 1 24 Todd Marinovich QB 22 RAI 1991 1992 0 0 0 3 8 8 3-5-0 104 205 1345 8 9 12 44 0 USC College Stats
11 1991 10 260 Pat O'Hara QB   TAM     0 0 0                         USC College Stats
12 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete QB 23 DET 1989 2004 0 0 7 46 104 87 45-42-0 1344 2346 16338 76 92 270 1139 16 USC College Stats
13 1980 4 109 Paul McDonald QB 22 CLE 1980 1986 0 0 1 15 85 21 8-13-0 411 767 5269 24 37 37 6 1 USC College Stats
14 1978 5 131 Rob Hertel QB 23 CIN 1978 1978 0 0 0 0 3 0   1 4 9 0 0 1 0 0 USC College Stats
15 1977 6 140 Vince Evans QB 22 CHI 1977 1995 0 0 2 29 100 39 14-25-0 704 1390 9485 52 74 212 1129 14 USC College Stats
16 1975 7 176 Pat Haden QB 22 RAM 1976 1981 0 1 4 33 65 55 35-19-1 731 1363 9296 52 60 124 609 6 USC College Stats
17 1973 8 205 Mike Rae QB 22 OAK 1976 1979 0 0 0 9 28 8 4-4-0 124 249 1536 12 14 44 300 2 USC College Stats
18 1970 8 201 Mike Holmgren QB   STL     0 0 0                         USC
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I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically  a pile of mediocre much....other than Carson Palmer.  And note...his career winning record is barely over .500.

Pat Haden actually had the best win pct....but he did not last all that long.   Only really a 5 year career.   Not sure is he had injuries that curtailed him. I know that he got replaced by Vince Ferragamo the year the LA Rams went to the Super Bowl.  Not sure if that was injury or performance based. 

Sanchez had two years of success....then utter failure.   Rodney Peete had some decent years....but was never viewed as "franchise", I don't think.

Matt Cassell.....was really a career backup.

So...if the Browns take him....what will Darnold turn out to be?   The best QB USC ever produced?   Which is what he better be.....or will he fall into the mediocre drek that a lot of these guys are.

The only guys that he should really be compared to likely are Palmer,  Sanchez., Leinert....and maybe Marinovich....since they were the First rounders.  the rest were mostly mid to late round guys....so they should not be held to the same standard.    Though....like I said, Haden...the one with the best win pct.   was only 7th round. 

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So these 22 or 23 year old young men (which they all are) from a big well known football factory are basically crap shoots? How about that.

Oh well USC is better known for running backs and cheerleaders anyway.

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Not surprising that what was known as "Tailback U." through the early 2000's did not produce a bunch of NFL-grade QBs.

 

Haden did get pummeled out of the NFL, but his underwater TD:INT ratio paved the way.

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OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:

Drafted Players

 
 
Rk Year Rnd Pick   Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ  
1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0   6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats
2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats
3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats
4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB   STL     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0   9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats
6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats
7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats
8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats
9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB   MIA     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats
11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB   DAL     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB   BUF     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB   CHI     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats

 

Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee.   With him it is certainly the "What if" game.   What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler.   What kind of a pro could he actually have been?

OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.

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Of that whole bunch Art Schlichter was potentially  the best from the old 3 or 4 yards and a cloud of dust Woody Hayes days and succeeding years. Too bad he really screwed up.

Quarterbacks, like computers or women can't live with them or without them. :lol:

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38 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:

Drafted Players

 
 
Rk Year Rnd Pick   Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ  
1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0   6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats
2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats
3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats
4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB   STL     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0   9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats
6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats
7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats
8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats
9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB   MIA     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats
11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB   DAL     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB   BUF     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats
13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB   CHI     0 0 0                         Ohio St. College Stats

 

Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee.   With him it is certainly the "What if" game.   What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler.   What kind of a pro could he actually have been?

OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.

Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.

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Just now, Bigalow80 said:

 

Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.

Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't. 

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12 minutes ago, Bigalow80 said:

 

Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.

 

People thought that Cardale could do some damage in the pros..   No sale.

In fact....where is Cardale?  Is he still on the Bills...or with some other team?

Or, is he a candidate for the Alliance for American Football?

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5 hours ago, The Gipper said:

I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically  a pile of mediocre much

Sounds like they're due..... 

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37 minutes ago, cvcanedy said:

Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

Yea,  no real correlation.   Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school  has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future.  And vice versa.  Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.

The only place it seems to apply really is  Big 12 QBs.   There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his  10-12 schools.   (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)

I guess that has to change sometime.   This year?  With either Mayfield or Rudolph?

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3 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Will JT Barrett even be drafted?

I doubt it, maybe someone takes a late, late flyer on him.

For as successful as Pryor, Miller and Barrett has been, they have been absolutely dreadful passing the ball when they are in obvious passing situations. That doesn't translate to the NFL.

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16 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

Alabama is a good choice:  l they currently have 3 HOF QBs:   Starr, Namath, Stabler

Purdue is another:    Dawson, Griese....and they will have Drew Brees when he is done (also had Jim Everett and a couple other decent ones)

UCLA has a couple:   Waterfield, Aikman

Stanford has to be considered:   Elway, Plunkett,  Luck.  All #1 overall.....along with Bobby Garrett who may actually be the biggest bust in the history of the draft:  a #1 overall QB....who never played but a handful of games....and played -0- for the team that drafted him...i.e. The Cleveland Browns.  They also had John Brodie come out of there.

Oregon has to be mentioned:  HOFers Dan Fouts and Norm Van Brocklin...plus the up and coming Mariota

Notre Dame?   Only Montana and Joe Theismann were much good.   They had their share of bad busts:  John Huarte, Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn.

Michigan has  HOF Benny Friedman....plus Brady.     Harbaugh decent.

Miami Fla.....had that group all there at the same time:   Kelly,  Bernie, Vinny.   But not much good since.   George Mir back in the 60s.

BYU was QB U for a while:  Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson  

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2 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.

Troy Aikman...

Brett Hundley....

...and.....

a bunch of guys I never heard of.

And Troy was a Sooner first and almost not a Bruin at all.......

......On October 19, Miami's Jerome Brown broke through the offensive line, sacked Aikman on the Sooner 29-yard line and broke Aikman's ankle. Aikman, who had been six of eight passing for 131 yards, would be lost for the season. Switzer and offensive coordinator Jim Donnan were forced to switch back to the wishbone offense under freshman quarterback Jamelle Holieway. The team went on to win the 1985 National Championship. With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decided to transfer to UCLA........

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5 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Yea,  no real correlation.   Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school  has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future.  And vice versa.  Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.

The only place it seems to apply really is  Big 12 QBs.   There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his  10-12 schools.   (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)

I guess that has to change sometime.   This year?  With either Mayfield or Rudolph?

Mahomes possibly?

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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.

But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.

Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...

  • Washington
  • Tennesee
  • Oregon
  • Michigan
  • LSU
  • FSU
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20 minutes ago, SD_Tom said:

It's mind boggling how a powerhouse like Ohio State hasn't had anyone good at QB in the NFL for decades. 

 

And they've had some good recievers not even including running backs that can catch.

Heisman Troy Smith in 2006? Eh.

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6 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

Successful NFL UCLA QBs

1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.

The rest of the guys were all Bums.

Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield

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