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Collins is likely the LB starter who loses at musical chairs.. Injury plus listless play before the injury suggests he's on a short leash this season

35.9 last season on PFF, not a typo

Here's an example game where PFF calls him out [and the other LB's] for terrible play.

Annual numbers were Schobert 77.4, Kirksey 59.6.  I wonder if our DB's were truly "the problem" last season or if significant LB coverage improvement would be the biggest needed increase..

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3 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

Collins is likely the LB starter who loses at musical chairs.. Injury plus listless play before the injury suggests he's on a short leash this season

35.9 last season on PFF, not a typo

That was my initial thought ... but then I look at what they are paying guys, and what their ceilings are ...

Just don't think you can bench Kirksey he's a 110% guy who actually makes plays. I think he fits in the middle, gives us three guys that can cover. Schobert is a baller, but limited in speed, I think we will utilize all four linebackers and he'll have an important role, but we start the game with the best athletes on the field. Collins is the most talented of the four and a real playmaker when healthy. I think this signing hedges against him being injured ... but if he is healthy he is on the field.

Zombo

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However, Schobert is the only one of the three who got the job done to any extent last season.

Schobert had the best 3-cone of any LB his year at the combine, and Schobert is orders of magnitude better in run D than either one. He's not limited.. he also dropped 20 (maybe 30) pounds from his UW weight to have more speed/agility.

 

Sure, Collins may look the best without shirts or pads or pants on, but that doesn't mean he translates "athleticism" into "ability to play the game of football as defined by his coaches"

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I remember seeing someone say that bringing in Kendricks frees up Collins to rush the passer. He was a really good DE in college. I think we are going to try and get the most out of his versatility 

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16 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said:

However, Schobert is the only one of the three who got the job done to any extent last season.

Schobert had the best 3-cone of any LB his year at the combine, and Schobert is orders of magnitude better in run D than either one. He's not limited.

 

Sure, Collins may look the best without shirts or pads or pants on, but that doesn't mean he translates "athleticism" into "ability to play the game of football as defined by his coaches"

Well, there's cone drills and then there is sacks, hurries, forced fumbles and interceptions ... Collins has a knack for those, and Gregg Williams spends his week trying to find ways to get those. I'm just seeing Schobert as the fourth LB if everyone is healthy. Collins can be a wrecking crew when healthy. We'll see. Again, just happy to have four quality LBs, it wasn't long ago we never had more than one or two.

Zombo

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22 hours ago, Zombo said:

Well, there's cone drills and then there is sacks, hurries, forced fumbles and interceptions ... Collins has a knack for those, and Gregg Williams spends his week trying to find ways to get those. I'm just seeing Schobert as the fourth LB if everyone is healthy. Collins can be a wrecking crew when healthy. We'll see. Again, just happy to have four quality LBs, it wasn't long ago we never had more than one or two.

Zombo

Finally defensive depth this year. With a little help by the O to keep 'em off the field, we should be far better.

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I am actually excited about this roster😀

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On 6/5/2018 at 11:27 AM, Unsympathetic said:

Here's an example game where PFF calls him out [and the other LB's] for terrible play.                                                                                                                                                                                                             I wonder if our DB's were truly "the problem" last season or if significant LB coverage improvement would be the biggest needed increase..

Good Post. Dorsey bought the teams talent needed upgraded from tape & coaches. But when you read stuff like your link? The Coaches job is to also design/adjust to take something away? The Flacco stat of 17 of 17 and the ageless Ben Watson hit on all 7 targets worries me more than Hue's win loss record next season. Williams can't keep dialing up a losing blitz either. 

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As I recall, we've forever gotten mauled by receiving TE's and pass catching RB's. 

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Kindred is a stud. 

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On 6/5/2018 at 11:27 AM, Unsympathetic said:

Collins is likely the LB starter who loses at musical chairs.. Injury plus listless play before the injury suggests he's on a short leash this season

35.9 last season on PFF, not a typo

Here's an example game where PFF calls him out [and the other LB's] for terrible play.

Annual numbers were Schobert 77.4, Kirksey 59.6.  I wonder if our DB's were truly "the problem" last season or if significant LB coverage improvement would be the biggest needed increase..

I like PFF too; but it doesn't always cater to unique alignments/schemes. Let's see what our LBers look like when we're not lining 1 of our starting Safeties up in Toronto every play. 

Last year someone was trying to tell me Schobert was dreadful in coverage. I asked him if he had any idea how easy it is to cover both hook zones with a much deeper zone transition than other MLBs have (due to where the Safety behind is lined up) all during Schobert's 1st year playing MLB.  Our other LBs had the flats and extended grey areas/zone transitions as well.  As a unit, they probably felt like a hockey team defending a power play man-down all game.  There's a lot of reasons we'll have brand new starters at FS, SS, RCB, and LCB but our LB Corps isn't 1 of them. 

Once Gregg Williams feels like he has the sufficient upgrades at Corner on the field, I think you'll see our LBers feeling far less taxed in coverage or feeling compelled to cheat back on perceived passing downs in particular.  There was a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul last year ending with Paul going on Food Stamps.

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Updated Post- MiniCamp

I gotta keep an extra Offensive Lineman with Stephenson starting the season suspended, so I'm going to give the spot to the UDFA Harrison and I'll put Stephenson in RED for suspended. "Long" Rod Johnson has an improved shot now as well. We'll see what Greg Robinson has in the tank ... wild card, could end up starting or not make it through camp.

Even though they are different styles, I have Higgins and Ricardo in competition for the last WR spot, and for now I'm leaving Higgins out, even though I think he is more reliable, because I think Janis makes the team as a special teamer and can fill that backup possession receiver role to Landry which makes Higgins more expendable. A lot rides on Ratley, whether he contributes or becomes a guy we can stash on IR for a year with an "injury".

Not sure about Orchard versus Burgess for my 6th linebacker, but I'm leaning toward Orchard because he can swing to DE and Avery should be able to do what Burgess did.

Right now I see one of the cornerbacks dueling as the fourth safety ... probably Calhoun. But depending on injuries and special teams needs, I think CB Jordan and Safeties Currie and Smith all have a roster shot.

QB: Taylor, Mayfield, Stanton

FB Vitale, Williams

RB Hyde, ChubbDuke (3rd down),  Dayes

WR1 Gordon, Callaway, Ricardo, Ratley

WR2 Landry (Slot), Coleman, Janis, Higgins 

TE Njoku, Fells(Blocking)Devalve

LT Coleman, Corbett, Johnson, Robinson

LG Bitonio, Drango

C Tretter, Reiter

RG Zeitler, Fabiano

RT HubbardStephenson, Harrison

 

DE Garrett (edge), C. Smith,

DT Coley, Brantley

DT Ogunjobi, Meder, Thompson

DE Ogbah,  C. Thomas, Nassib

SLB Collins, OrchardBurgess

MLB  Schobert, Avery

WLB Kirksey/Kendricks,  Grace

CB Ward Mitchell, S. Thomas, Wilson, 

CB Carrie (Nickel), Gaines, Boddy-Calhoun, Jordan

SS Peppers, Kindred, Smith

FS Randall,  Currie

 

K Gonzalez

P Colquitt, Vogel

LS Hughlett

KR Calloway, Dayes

PR Calloway, Peppers

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Wow, this just in, Rod Johnson out, Greg Robinson in ... Thanks Darren.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-sign-OL-Greg-Robinson/c7e5e164-7e09-4c01-917d-208be9888204

I'll put Robby (former #2 overall) in there as they guy most ready to pounce on Stephenson's job (updated above)

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3 hours ago, Zombo said:

Wow, this just in, Rod Johnson out, Greg Robinson in ... Thanks Darren.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-sign-OL-Greg-Robinson/c7e5e164-7e09-4c01-917d-208be9888204

I'll put Robby (former #2 overall) in there as they guy most ready to pounce on Stephenson's job (updated above)

By out, do you mean cut? (OK, never mind...I see by the article that he was waived)

And wasn't Robinson like a Top 5 overall pick once that basically turned out a bust?   How old is he?

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18 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

By out, do you mean cut? (OK, never mind...I see by the article that he was waived)

And wasn't Robinson like a Top 5 overall pick once that basically turned out a bust?   How old is he?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Robinson_(offensive_tackle)

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I thought Fabiano was a tackle.

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59 minutes ago, Orion said:

I thought Fabiano was a tackle.

He's actually a Center. Gonna have to be versatile to have any chance at making the team.

Zombo

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hmm....during preseason he played JT's LT position.  He played one game quite well....then the next quite lousy.  (that might have been 2 years ago)

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