boo fagley Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 16 hours ago, bjh2130 said: There are currently only 6 starting running backs in the NFL that were picked in the first round. And that's a great list and all but not complete without the busts picked up at running back in the top 5. Please excuse my ignorance but who is gino Bernard. Ok I looked it up and it was obviously just a typo as you meant gio Bernard cause he was picked 5th in the 2ND ROUND of the draft. My list is only top 5 since the Browns have picks 1 and 4. If you want me to include all top 5 RBs then all top 5 QBs should also be included. Just because Trent Richardson was picked that high does not mean that he should have gone there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, boo fagley said: My list is only top 5 since the Browns have picks 1 and 4. If you want me to include all top 5 RBs then all top 5 QBs should also be included. Just because Trent Richardson was picked that high does not mean that he should have gone there. I just did that. But, if you want the full list, here it is: Drafted Players Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2017 1 2 Mitch Trubisky QB 23 CHI 2017 2017 0 0 1 7 12 12 4-8-0 196 330 2193 7 7 41 248 2 North Carolina College Stats 2 2016 1 1 Jared Goff QB 21 LAR 2016 2017 0 1 1 13 22 22 11-11-0 408 682 4893 33 14 36 67 2 California College Stats 3 2016 1 2 Carson Wentz QB 23 PHI 2016 2017 0 1 2 24 29 29 18-11-0 644 1047 7078 49 21 110 449 2 North Dakota St. College Stats 4 2015 1 1 Jameis Winston QB 21 TAM 2015 2017 0 1 3 33 45 45 18-27-0 939 1544 11636 69 44 140 513 8 Florida St. College Stats 5 2015 1 2 Marcus Mariota QB 21 TEN 2015 2017 0 0 3 33 42 42 20-22-0 787 1274 9476 58 34 154 913 9 Oregon College Stats 6 2014 1 3 Blake Bortles QB 22 JAX 2014 2017 0 0 4 40 62 61 21-40-0 1318 2229 14928 90 64 223 1410 7 Central Florida College Stats 7 2012 1 1 Andrew Luck QB 22 IND 2012 2016 0 3 4 59 70 70 43-27-0 1570 2651 19078 132 68 286 1442 14 Stanford College Stats 8 2012 1 2 Robert Griffin QB 22 WAS 2012 2016 0 1 2 35 42 40 15-25-0 766 1210 8983 42 26 275 1670 10 Baylor College Stats 9 2011 1 1 Cam Newton QB 22 CAR 2011 2017 1 3 7 95 109 108 62-45-1 2001 3420 25074 158 94 828 4320 54 Auburn College Stats 10 2010 1 1 Sam Bradford QB 22 STL 2010 2017 0 0 5 43 80 80 34-45-1 1805 2887 19049 101 57 144 333 2 Oklahoma College Stats 11 2009 1 1 Matthew Stafford QB 21 DET 2009 2017 0 1 8 85 125 125 60-65-0 3005 4850 34749 216 118 271 949 14 Georgia College Stats 12 2009 1 5 Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2016 0 0 5 34 77 72 37-35-0 1295 2285 15219 86 86 169 449 13 USC College Stats 13 2008 1 3 Matt Ryan QB 23 ATL 2008 2017 1 4 10 120 158 158 95-63-0 3630 5593 41796 260 126 351 1023 5 Boston Col. College Stats 14 2007 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB 22 OAK 2007 2009 0 0 2 6 31 25 7-18-0 354 680 4083 18 23 40 175 1 LSU College Stats 15 2006 1 3 Vince Young QB 23 TEN 2006 2011 0 2 4 33 60 50 31-19-0 755 1304 8964 46 51 282 1459 12 Texas College Stats 16 2005 1 1 Alex Smith QB 21 SFO 2005 2017 0 3 10 93 156 151 88-62-1 2877 4613 31888 183 96 529 2433 14 Utah College Stats 17 2004 1 1 Eli Manning QB 23 SDG 2004 2017 0 4 13 112 216 214 111-103-0 4424 7396 51682 339 228 296 540 6 Mississippi College Stats 18 2004 1 4 Philip Rivers QB 22 NYG 2004 2017 0 7 12 134 196 192 106-86-0 4171 6492 50348 342 166 335 573 3 North Carolina St. College Stats 19 2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2017 0 3 11 108 182 181 92-88-1 3941 6307 46247 294 187 301 474 8 USC College Stats 20 2002 1 1 David Carr QB 23 HOU 2002 2012 0 0 5 44 94 79 23-56-0 1353 2267 14452 65 71 305 1328 9 Fresno St. College Stats 21 2002 1 3 Joey Harrington QB 23 DET 2002 2007 0 0 6 30 81 76 26-50-0 1424 2538 14693 79 85 142 402 0 Oregon College Stats 22 2001 1 1 Michael Vick QB 21 ATL 2001 2015 0 4 7 93 143 115 61-51-1 1807 3217 22464 133 88 873 6109 36 Virginia Tech College Stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 17 hours ago, hoorta said: And damn few Super Bowl wins out of that group. Colts won after James left, and Lewis can thank the other Lewis (Ray) and his defensive pals for his. Just getting to the playoffs isn't the ultimate goal. Ask the Bengals or Vikings about that. Cmon Man. There have been only 52 Super Bowl winning RBs and some guys have won more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Gipper said: I just did that. But, if you want the full list, here it is: Drafted Players Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2017 1 2 Mitch Trubisky QB 23 CHI 2017 2017 0 0 1 7 12 12 4-8-0 196 330 2193 7 7 41 248 2 North Carolina College Stats 2 2016 1 1 Jared Goff QB 21 LAR 2016 2017 0 1 1 13 22 22 11-11-0 408 682 4893 33 14 36 67 2 California College Stats 3 2016 1 2 Carson Wentz QB 23 PHI 2016 2017 0 1 2 24 29 29 18-11-0 644 1047 7078 49 21 110 449 2 North Dakota St. College Stats 4 2015 1 1 Jameis Winston QB 21 TAM 2015 2017 0 1 3 33 45 45 18-27-0 939 1544 11636 69 44 140 513 8 Florida St. College Stats 5 2015 1 2 Marcus Mariota QB 21 TEN 2015 2017 0 0 3 33 42 42 20-22-0 787 1274 9476 58 34 154 913 9 Oregon College Stats 6 2014 1 3 Blake Bortles QB 22 JAX 2014 2017 0 0 4 40 62 61 21-40-0 1318 2229 14928 90 64 223 1410 7 Central Florida College Stats 7 2012 1 1 Andrew Luck QB 22 IND 2012 2016 0 3 4 59 70 70 43-27-0 1570 2651 19078 132 68 286 1442 14 Stanford College Stats 8 2012 1 2 Robert Griffin QB 22 WAS 2012 2016 0 1 2 35 42 40 15-25-0 766 1210 8983 42 26 275 1670 10 Baylor College Stats 9 2011 1 1 Cam Newton QB 22 CAR 2011 2017 1 3 7 95 109 108 62-45-1 2001 3420 25074 158 94 828 4320 54 Auburn College Stats 10 2010 1 1 Sam Bradford QB 22 STL 2010 2017 0 0 5 43 80 80 34-45-1 1805 2887 19049 101 57 144 333 2 Oklahoma College Stats 11 2009 1 1 Matthew Stafford QB 21 DET 2009 2017 0 1 8 85 125 125 60-65-0 3005 4850 34749 216 118 271 949 14 Georgia College Stats 12 2009 1 5 Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2016 0 0 5 34 77 72 37-35-0 1295 2285 15219 86 86 169 449 13 USC College Stats 13 2008 1 3 Matt Ryan QB 23 ATL 2008 2017 1 4 10 120 158 158 95-63-0 3630 5593 41796 260 126 351 1023 5 Boston Col. College Stats 14 2007 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB 22 OAK 2007 2009 0 0 2 6 31 25 7-18-0 354 680 4083 18 23 40 175 1 LSU College Stats 15 2006 1 3 Vince Young QB 23 TEN 2006 2011 0 2 4 33 60 50 31-19-0 755 1304 8964 46 51 282 1459 12 Texas College Stats 16 2005 1 1 Alex Smith QB 21 SFO 2005 2017 0 3 10 93 156 151 88-62-1 2877 4613 31888 183 96 529 2433 14 Utah College Stats 17 2004 1 1 Eli Manning QB 23 SDG 2004 2017 0 4 13 112 216 214 111-103-0 4424 7396 51682 339 228 296 540 6 Mississippi College Stats 18 2004 1 4 Philip Rivers QB 22 NYG 2004 2017 0 7 12 134 196 192 106-86-0 4171 6492 50348 342 166 335 573 3 North Carolina St. College Stats 19 2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2017 0 3 11 108 182 181 92-88-1 3941 6307 46247 294 187 301 474 8 USC College Stats 20 2002 1 1 David Carr QB 23 HOU 2002 2012 0 0 5 44 94 79 23-56-0 1353 2267 14452 65 71 305 1328 9 Fresno St. College Stats 21 2002 1 3 Joey Harrington QB 23 DET 2002 2007 0 0 6 30 81 76 26-50-0 1424 2538 14693 79 85 142 402 0 Oregon College Stats 22 2001 1 1 Michael Vick QB 21 ATL 2001 2015 0 4 7 93 143 115 61-51-1 1807 3217 22464 133 88 873 6109 36 Virginia Tech College Stats Lot of Busts and Jags on that list. 2 Super Bowl wins by the same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, dawg2fan said: In Po's defense, no one can see the future and thus cannot tell who will be the best player ever. I'm not a huge Poe fan, but this is ridiculous. How is that in his defense. He has said he will be the best ever. I'm just saying bet a name change that he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 13 hours ago, PoeticG said: Carlos Hyde does not mean anything in relation to drafting Barkley, just as Randall and Currie have nothing to do with us drafting a DB/S... or taking Taylor excludes us from taking a QB in the first round. The Browns are simply filling all of the NEEDS in FA that will allow them to go BPA in the draft and maximize our draft capital. Barkley is the Best Player and playmaker and that's who we'll take #1. No question. It does when you have 4 DB's on the field at one time and quite often 5 or 6 but how many times do you have 2 of the same type of RB's on the field at the exact same time? Practically zero. Again...you don't pay a guy 5 million per year to sit on the bench and/or you don't draft a RB #1 overall to sit on the bench and it makes no sense to play both of them at the same time since they play the same position. Unless you're planning to run the wishbone offense this season with both Hyde and Charles Barkley and Duke all in the backfield at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, boo fagley said: Lot of Busts and Jags on that list. 2 Super Bowl wins by the same guy. By Jags....do you mean: Just A Guys....or actual Jacksonville Jaguars? If the former....yes, some....but also a lot of TBD....to be determineds. But, if JAX JAGS...just the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mark O said: It does when you have 4 DB's on the field at one time and quite often 5 or 6 but how many times do you have 2 of the same type of RB's on the field at the exact same time? Practically zero. Again...you don't pay a guy 5 million per year to sit on the bench and/or you don't draft a RB #1 overall to sit on the bench and it makes no sense to play both of them at the same time since they play the same position. Unless you're planning to run the wishbone offense this season with both Hyde and Charles Barkley and Duke all in the backfield at the same time. That would be interesting.....if not likely a successful tactic. I would be curious to see how an NFL defense would handle that. Especially on the goal line. Maybe it would be successful there. But, we would have to use our fullback. Is Dan Vitale as good as Vaughn Broadnax? (who remembers him....or think: Pete Johnson, Matt Snell, John Brockington, Jim Otis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, boo fagley said: Lot of Busts and Jags on that list. 2 Super Bowl wins by the same guy. I would consider Wentz a Superbowl winner because: 1. He was in the team, so he's got the ring. 2. He played 15 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, boo fagley said: Cmon Man. There have been only 52 Super Bowl winning RBs and some guys have won more than once. Yeah Emmett Smith. Thanks, Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, hoorta said: Yeah Emmett Smith. Thanks, Troy. Franco Harris, Larry Csonka, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Mark Van Eaghan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 LeGarret Blount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, 7moses7 said: LeGarret Blount Yep....Blount Force Trauma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 hours ago, boo fagley said: Cmon Man. There have been only 52 Super Bowl winning RBs and some guys have won more than once. Out of the 52 Super Bowls there have been: 29 QB's named as the SB MVP 7 RB's named as the SB MVP (last one was Terrell Davis in SB 32) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: If you are talking about RBs taken in the top 5 of the draft since 2000 being in the Super Bowl....then the number is I think 3: Bush, Lewis, James But if you ask....how many QBs taken since 2000 in the top 5 of the draft....then it is the same number: 3: Eli, Newton, Ryan. Yes.. Anyone can basically skew this anyway they like I suppose.. But, I'm just of the mindset.. You take the QB you want #1 , And Live with the pick. then take BPA the rest of the draft... But yeah... We can split hairs all day long.. And the only denominator we'll come up with is theres really no exact science.. But on the other hand.. There have been tried and true processes for doing things "The right way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: By Jags....do you mean: Just A Guys....or actual Jacksonville Jaguars? If the former....yes, some....but also a lot of TBD....to be determineds. But, if JAX JAGS...just the one. Just another guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 43 minutes ago, nickers said: Yes.. Anyone can basically skew this anyway they like I suppose.. But, I'm just of the mindset.. You take the QB you want #1 , And Live with the pick. then take BPA the rest of the draft... But yeah... We can split hairs all day long.. And the only denominator we'll come up with is theres really no exact science.. But on the other hand.. There have been tried and true processes for doing things "The right way" Oh....don't get me wrong......I think we should take a qb #1. The big quandary though is: which one? As I am not really enamored of any of them....not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Oh....don't get me wrong......I think we should take a qb #1. The big quandary though is: which one? As I am not really enamored of any of them....not really. Agreed ...... I guess Darnold or Rosen would be considered the safe picks.. But Mayfield is intriguing.. I think all QB's now a days come with some sort of asterisk.. Its not like the old days where., Every QB was pretty much a prototypical 6'4" , 220.. Stand in the pocket , drive the ball kind of QB. Today , It's like you have flavors.. Depending on your system and philosophy.. You go with the flavor that suits your needs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 8 hours ago, boo fagley said: My list is only top 5 since the Browns have picks 1 and 4. If you want me to include all top 5 RBs then all top 5 QBs should also be included. Just because Trent Richardson was picked that high does not mean that he should have gone there. I fail to see what you are saying. From what I gathered you were saying we should draft Barkley because these running backs were picked in the top 5, excluding Giovanni who was picked 37th, and have all made the playoffs. Is that not what you were going for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Saquon Barkley - Carlos Hyde - Duke Johnson That right there is an allstar running game Josh Gordon - Jarvis Landry - Terrel Pryor - Corey Coleman That right there is an allstar receiving group Kevin Hogan - Tyrod Taylor - Baker Mayfield That right there is a really strong QB room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 So how about that $100 bet PoG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappanorm Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 #1 Barkley. ... Then ... Trade our #4 to Buffalo for #12 & #22 and select QB's Lamar Jackson & Mason Rudolph to be our #2 & #3 QB's. But I did see that the Browns signed Kevin Hogan today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappanorm Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Barkley is more "tried and true" than any of the QB's in the draft. I would go with this exceptional back and watch him & Duke Johnson catch short passes out of the backfield... There will still be at least 3 quality developmental QB's at #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappanorm Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 The Browns have been a "field goal" team for quite a while. They get near the red zone then end up settling for the field goal. I'm sick of it. It is time to seriously address the offense. #1 Barkley RB (Penn State). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 8 hours ago, The Gipper said: Franco Harris, Larry Csonka, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Mark Van Eaghan And since 2000 = zero 38 minutes ago, pappanorm said: #1 Barkley. ... Then ... Trade our #4 to Buffalo for #12 & #22 and select QB's Lamar Jackson & Mason Rudolph to be our #2 & #3 QB's. But I did see that the Browns signed Kevin Hogan today. Welcome to the Po Barkley at #1 Club. It's not happening. Neither is Lamar Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Yea, the Browns should drafted 2 1st rounders at QB, and then the rest get RBs. Each of the 4 QBs, assuming they stop at the 2 1sts, should get 1 quarter a game. I mean it makes complete sense. Everyone says Tyrod sucks, 1 person (Not family) thinks Hogan is a franchise guy, and then getting consensus 5th and 6th ranked guys in the draft. I mean what could possibly be bad about that. I mean from what I have seen, the Browns are only 4 QBs and Superman Barkley away from being the best team of ALL time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just reading through this thread. Did not want to lose this bit... On 3/4/2018 at 9:04 AM, Flugel said: As I've looked at all of the RBs in the draft, a lot of them aren't going to be 3 down RBs Flugs... in all sincerity... Why should we care about this? What is the value of a 3-down RB when no RB plays more than 2/3rds of the snaps in a game anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz41 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Even though I have said this before, I will again. I dont dislike Barkley. I also don't think he will be a bust. What I do dislike is the constant overhyping of him. And then countless pages upon pages of him, and the refusal of any Superman fan to discuss 1 bit of his question marks. He is NOT more important than the right QB, even if he is close to ask great as we hear daily. Running backs just don't have the longevity of others in the league either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/4/2018 at 9:04 AM, Flugel said: As I've looked at all of the RBs in the draft, a lot of them aren't going to be 3 down RBs Flugs... in all sincerity... Why should we care about this? What is the value of a 3-down RB when no RB plays more than 2/3rds of the snaps in a game anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 2:04 AM, PoeticG said: I don't trust their stats, period. I just went and watched Penn States first game against the Zips last year and Barkley had 15 missed or broken tackles in the first quarter alone. cowpoop propaganda. This is the most pure example of cognitive dissonance available on the Browns board (and there’s a lot of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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