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Not insane at all. There is a time value to money. What is expensive today is a bargain in 3 years. 

The Jets recognize they need a QB, the Jets recognize if you want the best, you have to pay for it. Otherwise, you are the Cleveland Browns.

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2 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Not insane at all. There is a time value to money. What is expensive today is a bargain in 3 years. 

The Jets recognize they need a QB, the Jets recognize if you want the best, you have to pay for it. Otherwise, you are the Cleveland Browns.

He may be the best FA quarterback this year, but he's not the best Quarterback in the NFL. He's going to get paid like he is though. I'll make the analogy as close as possible. You willing to walk into an Accura dealer, and shell out $80,000 for a RLX when you could have bought a BMW 740i for the same price instead?  Didn't think so. Desperation makes teams do stupid stuff.  

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......... Costello explains, based on the beliefs of “many people,” that “whatever” could become a five-year, $150 million offer, with a “good chunk” of it guaranteed. (Some think all of it would be guaranteed.)

One source speculated to Costello that the cash flow may consist of $60 million in 2018. That would represent an increase of $13.8 million over what Jimmy Garoppolo will receive this year under the terms of his five-year, $137.5 million deal. If the full package will have an increased value of $12.5 million over Garoppolo’s, a $13.8 million bump in first year cash flow isn’t grossly out of line with the difference — especially if the bulk of the deal will be guaranteed, anyway..........

This is an overblown, ridiculous, obscene amount of money for anyone to do anything sports related or not. This arms race has got to end before it ruins the game. They were "speculating" about $60,000,000 (+/-) in guaranteed money......really? Guaranteed to do what?

Kirk Cousins the $150,000,000 man. :lol:

 

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36 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

......... Costello explains, based on the beliefs of “many people,” that “whatever” could become a five-year, $150 million offer, with a “good chunk” of it guaranteed. (Some think all of it would be guaranteed.)

One source speculated to Costello that the cash flow may consist of $60 million in 2018. That would represent an increase of $13.8 million over what Jimmy Garoppolo will receive this year under the terms of his five-year, $137.5 million deal. If the full package will have an increased value of $12.5 million over Garoppolo’s, a $13.8 million bump in first year cash flow isn’t grossly out of line with the difference — especially if the bulk of the deal will be guaranteed, anyway..........

This is an overblown, ridiculous, obscene amount of money for anyone to do anything sports related or not. This arms race has got to end before it ruins the game. They were "speculating" about $60,000,000 (+/-) in guaranteed money......really? Guaranteed to do what?

Kirk Cousins the $150,000,000 man. :lol:

 

Even LeBron - who arguably is the best player in the NBA is only making $30 million this year...  and NBA team rosters are around 12 players, not 53. 

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Your Top 5 QB Salaries formulate the positions Franchise Tag...1)Jimmy G-27.5M/// 2)M.Stafford 27M///3)D.Carr 25M///4)A.Luck 24.5M///5)A.Rogers 22M.....Drew Brees & K.Cousins deals are to get done shortly. Matt Ryan looks for his deal in 2019 & Ben,Rogers,Wilson,Eli,Rivers in 2020..FA QB, Case Keenum played for a cool 2 million bucks last season :o N.Foles 1.6M   

  (waffle house 2am..yes you too can have breakfast with Cyndi Lauper look-a-likes...just don't wake up with them)

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8 hours ago, hoorta said:

He may be the best FA quarterback this year, but he's not the best Quarterback in the NFL. He's going to get paid like he is though. I'll make the analogy as close as possible. You willing to walk into an Accura dealer, and shell out $80,000 for a RLX when you could have bought a BMW 740i for the same price instead?  Didn't think so. Desperation makes teams do stupid stuff.  

Yep if i need a car and I have 110 million dollars. In 5 years QBs will probably make 40-50 million a year with all of this cap space, we might as well get one now.

Also it's hard to pick up honeys (free agents) when all you have is a huffy

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I wonder if in the next CBA, somehow this "qb money" gets addressed. It sounds great that one player is getting 40+ million per year, but with a hard cap that actually cuts into the rest of the NFL players salaries and greatly reduces the amount of money the rest of the roster can make. I'm curious if the NFLPA is wiling to piss off 32 players to help the 1,664 players that are part of the union. Would they set up a "separate" cap for qbs? If I was a player, I would definitely be concerned about the direction this whole thing is heading. 

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Here is an article from ESPN.com. For once, a lot of it actually makes sense and gives things to consider. cle.png?w=110&h=110&transparent=true

 

Cleveland Browns

1. Blow away the market for Kirk Cousins. The Browns have approximately $110.7 million in cap space and all the draft picks on the planet. They're the worst team in football and have no viable option at quarterback, which isn't anything new. Pro Football Reference's adjusted net yards per attempt Index (ANY/A+) measures a quarterback's performance against league average and adjusts it for era. The new Browns have had just one quarterback post an ANY/A+ greater than the average mark of 100 over a 300-attempt season, and that was Derek Anderson a decade ago.

If you were Cousins and about to become absurdly rich regardless of where you decide to head this offseason, why would you choose the Browns? Why would you pick $100 million over three years from the Browns if you could get $90 million over the same timeframe from the Broncos? Why would you pick the annual organizational chaos of Jimmy Haslam in Cleveland over the stability of the Jaguars or Vikings?

No, if the Browns want to be a credible choice for Cousins, they need to make an offer that fundamentally blows away whatever anyone else in the league is thinking. Cousins is set to become the league's first $30 million-per-year quarterback. If you're the Browns and you want to give Cousins something to think about, what's stopping you from offering him $40 million per year? You want a quarterback, right? The Browns could hand Cousins a five-year, $200 million deal with a $20 million signing bonus and $30 million signing bonuses in each of the first two seasons of the contract, guaranteeing him a total of $91 million over two years. Cleveland could then offer Cousins an opt-out after Year 2 if things go horrifically south, with Cousins pocketing a $30 million option bonus if he decides to stay. The resulting deal would pay Cousins $144 million over its first three years, which would be a totally unprecedented total:

Year Base
Salary
Signing
Bonus
Roster
Bonus
Option
Bonus
Workout Cap
Hit
2018 $5.5 million $4 million $30 million $0 $500,000 $40 million
2019 $5,.5 million $4 million $30 million $0 $500,000 $40 million
2020 $16 million $4 million $5 million $10 million $1 million $36 million
2021 $20 million $4 million $5 million $10 million $1 million $40 million
2022 $24 million $4 million $5 million $10 million $1 million $44 million
Totals $71 million $20 million $75 million $30 million $4 million $200 million

That's probably the absolute ceiling of what a Cousins offer would look like. The Browns might be the only team in the league that can make this sort of proposal without kneecapping its roster, in part because they have so many players who will be on cheap rookie contracts over the next several seasons. This deal gives Cousins the chance to leave or renegotiate after two seasons if things aren't the way he wants while also giving the former Michigan State product one more trip to free agency at 34.

Cousins could theoretically ask teams for a fully guaranteed deal, but teams would likely reduce the money available to Cousins on a fully guaranteed pact, and quarterbacks with Cousins' leverage and track record of staying healthy are better off opting for a traditional deal with a higher ceiling than the elevated floor of a fully guaranteed pact.

Should the Browns do this? At the very least, it's defensible. Hue Jackson could go after AJ McCarron and take a quarterback with the first overall pick, but why should anyone have faith in the Browns to successfully develop a passer after the past couple of seasons under Jackson? All things equal, the Browns are going to have to overpay for talent. They might as well overpay for a franchise quarterback.

This is an organization that valued a second-round pick from the Texans at somewhere between $10 million and $16 million as part of the Brock Osweiler swap. Signing Cousins frees up a far more valuable asset -- the first overall selection -- to be used elsewhere on the roster. If Cleveland signed Cousins, the Browns could parlay that first overall pick into Saquon Barkley, a terrifying one-two punch at defensive end with Myles Garrett and Bradley Chubb, or trade down for a massive haul from a team in love with one of the draft's quarterbacks at No. 1 overall.

i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0220%2Fr330965_1296x729_16%2D9.jpg&w=570 Kirk Cousins will be in demand, but why can't the Browns give him the most money? Robin Alam/Icon Sportswire

2. If they don't get Cousins, pay for a bridge quarterback in advance of drafting a QB No. 1, and don't make a serious investment in McCarron. Assuming the Browns don't convince Cousins to make his home in Cleveland, they'll be in the market for a veteran quarterback and a guy with one of their two first-round picks. The logical move has been to link the Browns to McCarron, whom Hue Jackson nearly traded for at the deadline in October.

The infamous failed attempt to acquire McCarron actually worked out well for the Browns, who almost dealt second- and third-round picks to the Bengals to acquire the former Alabama starter. An 0-8 Browns team would have been trading for McCarron under the assumption that he would have lost his arbitration dispute with the league and remained under contract through the end of the 2018 season. Instead, McCarron won his dispute, which would have meant that the Browns would have been paying for the privilege of letting McCarron prop up a meaningless season before either giving him a long-term contract, franchising the 27-year-old or allowing him to leave.

The trade value Jackson was willing to offer suggests that the Browns would be interested in making McCarron a meaningful offer to take over as their quarterback. That would be a very risky proposition. If you're a McCarron backer, you can point out that he went 2-1 as a starter with the Bengals in 2015, left Cincinnati in line to win a playoff game over the Steelers before Jeremy Hill's improbable fumble and has a 93.6 career passer rating. All of those things are true.

They're also far from a complete story. McCarron took over an offense that was humming on all cylinders during what was a career year for Andy Dalton, and given Dalton's track record in every other one of his pro seasons, it suggests that the players around Dalton -- and, therefore McCarron -- were driving much of Cincinnati's success. The Bengals had one of the league's best offensive lines that year, with Andrew Whitworth & Co. combining to miss only two starts across 80 regular-season games. Hill and Giovani Bernard were both healthy and effective. Tyler Eifert suited up for 13 games. A.J. Green, Marvin Jones and Mohamed Sanu were in for full seasons. That offense oozed talent.

McCarron was worse than Dalton across the board save for a modest jump in completion percentage, which was due to the fact that his average pass traveled nearly one yard shorter in the air. Dalton's yards per attempt and passer rating were well above McCarron's. McCarron's sack rate was double that of Dalton, which is in part due to inexperience, but also suggests McCarron might not be the quickest to make decisions in the pocket. Dalton's Total QBR was 72.5 that season, which was good for fourth in the league. McCarron's was 54.8, which ranked 26th.

In addition, McCarron had virtually no success moving the football in that Bengals-Steelers playoff matchup. The Bengals scored 16 points in a game where he threw an interception and fumbled three times, one of which cost Cincinnati a likely field goal opportunity. The team racked up all of two first downs in the first half, and while McCarron improved after the break, the Bengals' two touchdown drives in the game each started from the Pittsburgh 45-yard line. It's true that the Bengals were in a position to win before the Hill fumble, but the Bengals crawled back into the game only after temporarily knocking Ben Roethlisberger out.

 

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Is McCarron worth a shot as a bridge passer? I would say yes at the right price, but it's really about the right level of emotional investment. If the Browns sign McCarron and give him a shot before turning to the first overall pick if McCarron struggles, that's totally reasonable. If they sign McCarron to a multiyear contract, commit to him as their starter and don't otherwise address the position? That would be throwing up a prayer.

3. Re-sign Josh Gordon and Jason McCourty. Gordon is a restricted free agent, so the Browns should have no trouble bringing him back. They could try to offer Gordon an extension with modest money up front and heavy per-game roster bonuses, which wouldn't be the worst idea in the world with the right protections.

Outside of Joe Thomas, who has suggested the Browns should start thinking about a future without their future Hall of Fame left tackle, McCourty is Cleveland's most pressing free agent in 2019. The 30-year-old had an excellent rebound year after being dumped by the Titans, and while the Browns have him signed for one more season at less than $3 million, now would be a good time to approach McCourty with an extension designed to keep him in the building through 2019 or 2020.

The other 2019 free agent-to-be worth mentioning is Duke Johnson, who plays a valuable role as the team's receiving back and would continue to serve as a safety valve for whoever ends up playing quarterback in 2018. Johnson could stick around at a deal just north of the three-year, $12 million pact James White signed in New England.

4. Don't overpay for a running back. It's understandably tempting for the Browns to draft a quarterback with the first overall pick and hope to select Penn State's Saquon Barkley with the Texans' selection at fourth overall. I don't think anybody could fault Cleveland for doing that if Barkley's still on the board, given how explosive he looked at Penn State.

At the same time, we don't have a ton of evidence that taking running backs at the top of the draft has really been a great idea. Trent Richardson was obviously a disaster. Ezekiel Elliott certainly delivered for the Cowboys, but Dallas passed on Jalen Ramsey to take Elliott, and Ramsey's a better player at a more valuable position. The Cowboys might look back and wish they had selected Ramsey and taken a running back like Jordan Howard later in the draft.

The Jaguars are happy to have taken Leonard Fournette in 2017, but is Fournette the best back from his draft class after Year 1? Second-round pick Alvin Kamara is certainly a different sort of player, but he was far more productive than Fournette last season. Third-rounder Kareem Hunt might be the most complete back of the class so far. The Jags shouldn't regret taking Fournette, but what would have happened in 2017 if they had drafted Deshaun Watson?

Barkley could be a better prospect than any of those guys, and the Browns do need a running back with Isaiah Crowell hitting free agency. Barkley could turn out to be a transcendent superstar. It's also not difficult to imagine Cleveland getting more out of waiting to draft a running back -- or signing someone like Dion Lewis in free agency -- and using the fourth pick on NC State pass-rusher Bradley Chubb, Alabama defensive back Minkah Fitzpatrick or the draft's best offensive tackle.

5. Acquire a free safety and add help at cornerback. While Jabrill Peppers has the athleticism to play just about anywhere, his rookie year suggested that the Michigan product is likely best as an in-the-box safety. Unfortunately, this isn't a great market for free safeties. The best option is Lamarcus Joyner, who had his first excellent season as a pro while primarily playing free safety in 2017, but he could still return to the Rams. More likely, the Browns will have to use one of their many draft picks to find a player capable of playing center field.

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10 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Not insane at all. There is a time value to money. What is expensive today is a bargain in 3 years. 

The Jets recognize they need a QB, the Jets recognize if you want the best, you have to pay for it. Otherwise, you are the Cleveland Browns.

The Best?  

That may be...among this pool.  But what is this pool?

I mean, that may be like saying:  Choose the best Browns Board contributor from among   PoG, Vagitron, Woody, and Ghoolie.  

That is like saying choose your favorite  Body fluid:   piss, puke, snot, or bile.

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4 hours ago, gumby73 said:

Your Top 5 QB Salaries formulate the positions Franchise Tag...1)Jimmy G-27.5M/// 2)M.Stafford 27M///3)D.Carr 25M///4)A.Luck 24.5M///5)A.Rogers 22M.....Drew Brees & K.Cousins deals are to get done shortly. Matt Ryan looks for his deal in 2019 & Ben,Rogers,Wilson,Eli,Rivers in 2020..FA QB, Case Keenum played for a cool 2 million bucks last season :o N.Foles 1.6M   

  (waffle house 2am..yes you too can have breakfast with Cyndi Lauper look-a-likes...just don't wake up with them)

Trashing the stage is OK for Pete Townshend and others.  For Cyndi Lauper...it is unbecoming and forced.

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11 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Not insane at all. There is a time value to money. What is expensive today is a bargain in 3 years. 

The Jets recognize they need a QB, the Jets recognize if you want the best, you have to pay for it. Otherwise, you are the Cleveland Browns.

Have to admit, The old Ghoolster isn't too far off on this one. Reading this article puts it into perspective:

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/37788/aaron-rodgers-is-a-victim-of-nfl-salary-system-and-thats-not-likely-to-change

The kicker? That was written before this past season. Based on projected 2018 salaries, he will actually be the 14th highest paid QB (and that's not including cousins). He only signed that deal 4 years ago to put that into perspective. https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2018/

If Kirk continues to play at a top 10-12 QB level, the $35-$40 million cap hit won't look bad compared to the salaries upcoming in 2-3 years. 

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I heard $60 million in the first year too. If that's true, we're out of the Kirk sweepstakes for sure. That's just insane. 

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1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said:

I heard $60 million in the first year too. If that's true, we're out of the Kirk sweepstakes for sure. That's just insane. 

I'm just curious, why would we be? If anything, that puts us and Jets firmly in the drivers seats to actually land the guy. Nobody else could even come close.

Now if you're talking from a more "is he worth that kind of money?" conversation, that is A LOT of money

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7 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Trashing the stage is OK for Pete Townshend and others.  For Cyndi Lauper...it is unbecoming and forced.

Just remember.. when Shoolie comes to you for that parade permit to celebrate the firing of HueJax. If Lauper can tangle from garbage cans? We need permits for tangling dumpsters on fire with bungy jumping accordion players tangling from underneath..file it under Goonie Goes to Vegas Training Camp..     

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4 hours ago, nickers said:

Kirk is a fine QB.. Just not Elite in my view...

How true, even the all time elites wouldn't be worth the mega dollars the NEW YORK JETS have been rumored to be contemplating......or maybe got some really bad weed or something.  :blink:  Super Kirk Cousins?  $150,000,000? Really? :lol:

Remember when they put some sanity back into the rookie salaries and unbelievably EXORBITANT guaranteed  signing bonuses? Guys who never played a down could retire extremely wealthy.......meanwhile they were cutting veterans' salaries to compensate and it created a lot of bad blood.

Sanity has gone out of the NFL and at a bad time, attendance and viewership numbers are trending down and fewer kids are getting into tackle football, the ongoing concussion problem  among other things.

And the PV/FV  analysis on the numbers (I remember that boring stuff ECON was my undergraduate minor, MGT and FIN was my MBA dual major -_- ). Present value/future value calculations and considerations for things like inflation and some future salary estimations, not out and out highway robbery or extortion. 

Bad for present and future business, just sayin'.

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36 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

How true, even the all time elites wouldn't be worth the mega dollars the NEW YORK JETS have been rumored to be contemplating......or maybe got some really bad weed or something.  :blink:  Super Kirk Cousins?  $150,000,000? Really? :lol:

Remember when they put some sanity back into the rookie salaries and unbelievably EXORBITANT guaranteed  signing bonuses? Guys who never played a down could retire extremely wealthy.......meanwhile they were cutting veterans' salaries to compensate and it created a lot of bad blood.

Sanity has gone out of the NFL and at a bad time, attendance and viewership numbers are trending down and fewer kids are getting into tackle football, the ongoing concussion problem  among other things.

And the PV/FV  analysis on the numbers (I remember that boring stuff ECON was my undergraduate minor, MGT and FIN was my MBA dual major -_- ). Present value/future value calculations and considerations for things like inflation and some future salary estimations, not out and out highway robbery or extortion. 

Bad for present and future business, just sayin'.

You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,

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Just now, nickers said:

You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,

Amazing isn't it even with that clever buffoon McMahon running it but who knows will the NFL actually give them a strange opening.......I doubt it but stranger things have happened,  I guess.

Remember viewership in the last three super bowls even with the GOAT Brady has gone down. 

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8 hours ago, nickers said:

Kirk is a fine QB.. Just not Elite in my view...

Mah Nikka, this is the logic that has the Browns as the worst team in the history of the NFL. We like players, but always, they aren't worth the price tag. Somethingis worth what the market will pay for it. If the next Peytaon Manning is available for 3 million per year, the Browns will be interested, Otherwise?  We can get great QBs inthelate rounds of the draft, and not have to pay them. This has really worked well so far.  

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2 hours ago, nickers said:

You know.. as idiotic as this sounds.. The XFL might work these days,,,

It will work. I will watch more XFL than the schidt NFL, I can tell you that much.

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14 hours ago, jrb12711 said:

I'm just curious, why would we be? If anything, that puts us and Jets firmly in the drivers seats to actually land the guy. Nobody else could even come close.

Now if you're talking from a more "is he worth that kind of money?" conversation, that is A LOT of money

I guess you're right, that kind of money puts us squarely in the game, but it just seems like TOO much money to even THINK about, and not the type of move a prudent GM like Dorsey makes. In my crazy mind, Dorsey is going to bring in a McCarron, Keenum, Bradford, or even Bridgewater type QB, and then he's going to draft a QB very early. The reason I firmly believe it's definitely McCarron is because many of the other veteran QBs have significant injury history, we can't invest in that. Why?

Just imagine someone like Bradford is our starter. All throughout training camp he looks good and displays his textbook accuracy, impressive arm talent, and cautious approach to taking care of the ball. He gets it out quickly and on target, while avoiding turnovers. Into preseason, Bradford continues to look solid, and the Browns APPEAR to have the look of a team that is going to win some games and possibly surprise a few opponents. However, when the regular season begins, Bradford sustains an injury around week 3, and now WHAT? The Browns are now RIGHT BACK where they were in 2017 and now have a devastating decision to make. Do we start Deshone Kizer, or do we throw our 1st round QB to the wolves? Can you just envision the huge scale cluster-chicken of a situation that is? 

The smart money is to play Kizer (stop laughing). He got a ton of experience, and there are a lot of QBs who struggled mightily as a rookie and took major steps in their 2nd year. Now, suppose KIZER struggles. NOW what? Do you succumb to fan pressure and throw out the new rookie before he's ready? And if the new guy struggles do you yo-yo him like you did Kizer because you're Hue Jackson and you are desperate to win a game because you are 1-31 and you KNOW your butt is toast if you don't get some victories? 

Listen, injuries can happen to any QB, and McCarron does have a shoulder injury under his belt, but that was a while ago. That being said, QBs such as Bridgewater and Bradford are coming off recent injuries, and Bradford hasn't been healthy in basically forever, while Bridgewater suffered the worst knee blowout in history. Keenum might be the safe bet, but I feel like he kind of played over his ability last year, and he sort of had that magical season that will be difficult to reproduce. I'm not taking anything away from his amazing performance, but playing well for the Vikings (with the best defense in the world) and playing well for the Browns are two completely different animals. Not only that, but Hue is familiar with McCarron and probably understands his strengths and weaknesses. Would I rather have Kirk Cousins? Hell yes. Are we going to get him? Uhhhhh...no. That seems like a New York type signing, and not something that would happen in Cleveland. Also, if we get McCarron and a rookie QB and one of them DOES work out, we're not hamstrung by a ridiculous contract and we can continue to be major players in free agency into 2019 and beyond. 

Sorry for the long reply, I was having fun. Hehe. 

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8 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

It will work. I will watch more XFL than the schidt NFL, I can tell you that much.

Actually, you said that you would totally stop watching the NFL and switch to the XFL.

Then you realized that you wouldn't be able to troll this board about the Browns, hence the backtracking to "I will watch more XFL than the schidt NFL..."

Typical. 

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1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said:

I guess you're right, that kind of money puts us squarely in the game, but it just seems like TOO much money to even THINK about, and not the type of move a prudent GM like Dorsey makes. In my crazy mind, Dorsey is going to bring in a McCarron, Keenum, Bradford, or even Bridgewater type QB, and then he's going to draft a QB very early. The reason I firmly believe it's definitely McCarron is because many of the other veteran QBs have significant injury history, we can't invest in that. Why?

Just imagine someone like Bradford is our starter. All throughout training camp he looks good and displays his textbook accuracy, impressive arm talent, and cautious approach to taking care of the ball. He gets it out quickly and on target, while avoiding turnovers. Into preseason, Bradford continues to look solid, and the Browns APPEAR to have the look of a team that is going to win some games and possibly surprise a few opponents. However, when the regular season begins, Bradford sustains an injury around week 3, and now WHAT? The Browns are now RIGHT BACK where they were in 2017 and now have a devastating decision to make. Do we start Deshone Kizer, or do we throw our 1st round QB to the wolves? Can you just envision the huge scale cluster-chicken of a situation that is? 

The smart money is to play Kizer (stop laughing). He got a ton of experience, and there are a lot of QBs who struggled mightily as a rookie and took major steps in their 2nd year. Now, suppose KIZER struggles. NOW what? Do you succumb to fan pressure and throw out the new rookie before he's ready? And if the new guy struggles do you yo-yo him like you did Kizer because you're Hue Jackson and you are desperate to win a game because you are 1-31 and you KNOW your butt is toast if you don't get some victories? 

The problem here is that you're also assuming a guy we very well may draft #1 is on the same talent level as Kizer. If Deshone wasn't his height/arm strength, he would have literally been undrafted. I was as firmly against Kizer as I have been for any QB in the past 5 years. There's plenty of examples of guys in the past two years who played excellent when thrusted into the starting role "early".

You're right in that Cousins is a pipe dream, but we do have to bring a vet QB. The interesting chess match is guys like Keenum, AJ, and Cousins will all want to go to places where they can start day one without looking over their shoulder.

Would we make a play for someone like that, or go with a "safe" vet (Bradford, Chase Daniels, McCown, Matt Moore, etc) who could start 3-4 games before the #1 pick comes in? As each days goes on, I'd be pretty remiss if the Browns don't use one of their top 5 picks at the QB position. When you look across the league, the overwhelming majority of teams who have a franchise guy drafted them in the first place. The only two marked exceptions to that appear to be Jimmy G. and Drew Brees, and there's a reason for that.

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"Madness… madness."

......from the Bridge over the River Kwai. 

The Jets offer, the rest are just as ridiculous :

Total years and value: Five for $150 million
Average per year: $30 million
Full guarantee at signing: $72 million
Total guarantee: $90 million
Three-year payout: $52 million after Year 1, $72 million after Year 2, $90 million after Year 3.

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wouldn't feel bad at all about starting Kizer.  He did make strides this season and I think he'll do fine, a big reason he struggled was Hue trying to put too much on him but towards the end of the season there was definite improvement as Kizer stepped up to the challenge.  I'll repeat myself here, not all of the losses were on Kizer. Some games he played well enough to win but Browns kept shooting themselves in the foot with piss poor special teams and defense.  We already know Kizer can make passes in the NFL and can serve as the "bridge" until the rookie QB catches up, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kizer evolves into  competent starter. 

 

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13 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

It will work. I will watch more XFL than the schidt NFL, I can tell you that much.

Good, the XFL was a sideshow of players that mainly couldn't even make it in the NFL. Should play well in Vegas.

The CFL would be a better choice......oh nobody remembers them either. :lol:   

Adios.

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