SD_Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 This kid is a machine. But nobody's seen him play. Look at his progression, goes from MWC Special Teams player of the year, sits behind the leading rusher in Pumphrey and has over 1K yds as his backup, and then breaks Pumphrey's record getting 2248 yds last season. Kareem Hunt proved if you can play, it doesn't matter where you went. I think he'd be better than Duke on day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippinTurtles Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, SD_Tom said: This kid is a machine. But nobody's seen him play. Look at his progression, goes from MWC Special Teams player of the year, sits behind the leading rusher in Pumphrey and has over 1K yds as his backup, and then breaks Pumphrey's record getting 2248 yds last season. Kareem Hunt proved if you can play, it doesn't matter where you went. I think he'd be better than Duke on day 1. Draft QB's at #1 and #4 and this kid in the second round. Offense fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmCLmL4YSrw Rather see a CB or FS at #4, but yeah. QB1, then CB or FS/SS , then this guy in rd 2 somewhere. His brother is an NFL RB. If anyone understands what it takes, it's this guy. He sounds ready to work his butt off to show he's the best. Being in a weak conference didn't hurt Marshall Faulk at all.... and this guy broke Faulk's record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 As I've said before, my cousin (a Browns fan) has been on this kid for a long time. He DOES look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I've got him ranked above Barkley I really like this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 So...you are saying that on Draft Day we should be doing this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 hours ago, SD_Tom said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmCLmL4YSrw Rather see a CB or FS at #4, but yeah. QB1, then CB or FS/SS , then this guy in rd 2 somewhere. His brother is an NFL RB. If anyone understands what it takes, it's this guy. He sounds ready to work his butt off to show he's the best. Being in a weak conference didn't hurt Marshall Faulk at all.... and this guy broke Faulk's record I agree with you. QB at 1...best player who's not a RB or QB at 4 and then draft this guy in round 2. He did play in a small conference but as opposed to a certain small conference QB who wilted against better competition. This guy still put up big numbers and his team won both of those games against Pac 12 opponents Stanford and Arizona State. 18 for 216 (12 ypc avg) against ASU and 32 for 175 (5.5 ypc) against Stanford. 9/9 @Arizona State W 30-20 18 216 12.0 95 1 9/16 Stanford W 20-17 32 175 5.5 36 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 37 minutes ago, Mark O said: I agree with you. QB at 1...best player who's not a RB or QB at 4 and then draft this guy in round 2. He did play in a small conference but as opposed to a certain small conference QB who wilted against better competition. This guy still put up big numbers and his team won both of those games against Pac 12 opponents Stanford and Arizona State. 18 for 216 (12 ypc avg) against ASU and 32 for 175 (5.5 ypc) against Stanford. 9/9 @Arizona State W 30-20 18 216 12.0 95 1 9/16 Stanford W 20-17 32 175 5.5 36 1 His game vs asu was incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 He’s a good back but he can’t pass block.. AT ALL. I think that will be detrimental to his NFL career. He is really talented though. Don’t see us drafting him because we already have Duke. I think we’re going to grab Ronald Jones II as our bellcow back in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, LionOfBuddha said: He’s a good back but he can’t pass block.. AT ALL. I think that will be detrimental to his NFL career. He is really talented though. Don’t see us drafting him because we already have Duke. I think we’re going to grab Ronald Jones II as our bellcow back in the 2nd round. A 200lb "bellcow back"? Duke is 210 and undersized for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, LionOfBuddha said: He’s a good back but he can’t pass block.. AT ALL. I think that will be detrimental to his NFL career. He is really talented though. Don’t see us drafting him because we already have Duke. I think we’re going to grab Ronald Jones II as our bellcow back in the 2nd round. His press conference was a good watch. Stated specifically that pass protection iswhat he's been working on for the NFL, and he's ready to prove he's a 3 down back. I liked Jones usc too, but penny is bigger than most of the other backs coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said: A 200lb "bellcow back"? Duke is 210 and undersized for the position. He’s 20 years old, he’ll mature physically and fill out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 55 minutes ago, LionOfBuddha said: He’s 20 years old, he’ll mature physically and fill out You don't draft a RB in the first 3 rounds and hope they fill out. At this point, "filling out" for Jones would be getting to Duke's size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: You don't draft a RB in the first 3 rounds and hope they fill out. At this point, "filling out" for Jones would be getting to Duke's size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I'd rather take Josh Adams from ND than Jones, because of his size I think Penny is just better. Same weight, a few inches shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: You don't draft a RB in the first 3 rounds and hope they fill out. At this point, "filling out" for Jones would be getting to Duke's size. That’s your opinion, I respect it. I personally believe he’s a first rd talent, who will get drafted in the second round and be an absolute STEAL for whoever gets him. Time will tell who’s right and who’s wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, SD_Tom said: His press conference was a good watch. Stated specifically that pass protection iswhat he's been working on for the NFL, and he's ready to prove he's a 3 down back. I liked Jones usc too, but penny is bigger than most of the other backs coming out. I didn’t see his press conference, but it’s awesome that he recognizes what he needs to work on. Sounds like a guy who works hard and is humble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Penny, Michel or Guice, just get one of them in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, TopDawg31 said: Penny, Michel or Guice, just get one of them in the 2nd round. Penny, Penny, Penny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: You don't draft a RB in the first 3 rounds and hope they fill out. At this point, "filling out" for Jones would be getting to Duke's size. Disagree. Duke Johnson is 5’9 210. Ronald Jones is 6’0. That height is a big difference when it comes to filling out. Jones will be 220-225 when he fills out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I'm noticing Kerryon Johnson more and more. Three down back, powerful, pass catcher, very good pass blocker... second round. I think Ballage will be a steal in the 4th/5th rounds. Just seems the Browns need a power kickass rb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: I'm noticing Kerryon Johnson more and more. Three down back, powerful, pass catcher, very good pass blocker... second round. I think Ballage will be a steal in the 4th/5th rounds. Just seems the Browns need a power kickass rb. You can take a short trip with Kerryon Ballage. Easier to go through airport security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippinTurtles Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 No won ever fills out. EVER. Draft BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 58 minutes ago, LionOfBuddha said: Disagree. Duke Johnson is 5’9 210. Ronald Jones is 6’0. That height is a big difference when it comes to filling out. Jones will be 220-225 when he fills out. Maybe if he was on horse steroids. No RB has done the transformation you just described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Mark O said: I agree with you. QB at 1...best player who's not a RB or QB at 4 nice line. At 4, if it isn't WR (that's our next important need), then take the player that will bring Peppers back from the Hinterlands. We've GOTTA play D with eleven guys next year! The draft is RB heavy so somewhere we've gotta come out with one. - I'm really not over the top crazy about drafting Barkley. Taking him will make everybody expect us to give him the ball a whole lot, every game....when really the name of the game is passing. Of course you need to be able to run...but it's not that easy to run in the NFL anymore. It's not like college. The Rams had Gurley...but they made the playoffs is with Goff. - Penny seems plenty good. Also on the draft list (if we don't think he's on the team) needs to be left tackle, to take over for JT.........and CB. (on everyone's list, every year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Maybe if he was on horse steroids. No RB has done the transformation you just described. 98% of the NFL is on steroids. It’s an unpopular truth. The drug tests are set up so that you have to be an idiot to fail. Stronger and faster = better product on the field. So don’t be surprised if he or anyone else puts on 15 lbs of muscle and 5 lbs of fat in the next 3-4 years. In the NFl, it happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, LionOfBuddha said: 98% of the NFL is on steroids. It’s an unpopular truth. The drug tests are set up so that you have to be an idiot to fail. Stronger and faster = better product on the field. So don’t be surprised if he or anyone else puts on 15 lbs of muscle and 5 lbs of fat in the next 3-4 years. In the NFl, it happens all the time. If all true, list all the RBs who gained 20-25 lbs after going pro. Should be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, LionOfBuddha said: 98% of the NFL is on steroids. It’s an unpopular truth. The drug tests are set up so that you have to be an idiot to fail. Stronger and faster = better product on the field. So don’t be surprised if he or anyone else puts on 15 lbs of muscle and 5 lbs of fat in the next 3-4 years. In the NFl, it happens all the time. If 98% was true you would be seeing an unholy amount of ligament and soft tissue injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: If all true, list all the RBs who gained 20-25 lbs after going pro. Should be easy. I’m not a walking encyclopedia for heights and weights of players from college to the pros. However, keep in mind colleges lie about player heights and weights and no one knows the “truth” until combine and pro days. We can certainly do the eye test. Here’s a couple examples (I don’t have all day) of RBs who have certainly filled out since college. You see this in all positions, not just RBs. Here’s Marshawn Lynch, Duke Johnson, and Jamaal Charles along with a visual depiction of 5 lbs of muscle. You’re smoking crack if you don’t see the difference in physique from college until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Colleges bump up the numbers. So you have zero proof of a back gaining 20-25lbs? No RB puts on that kind of mass. Certainly not a RB known for being agile. Jones will never be a 20 carries a game, bellcow back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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