Mr. T Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Barack Obama has sent a message to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu demanding that Israel not surprise the U.S. with an Israeli military operation against Iran. The message was conveyed by a senior American official who met in Israel with Netanyahu, ministers and other senior officials. Earlier, Netanyahu's envoy visited Washington and met with National Security Adviser James Jones and with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and discussed the dialogue Obama has initiated with Tehran. The message from the American envoy to the prime minister reveals U.S. concern that Israel could lose patience and act against Iran. It is important to the Americans that they not be caught off guard and find themselves facing facts on the ground at the last minute. Obama did not wait for his White House meeting with Netanyahu, scheduled for next Monday, to deliver his message, but rather sent it ahead of time with his envoy. Israel's concerns are of their own and Obama is just posturing while he attempts to make Promises he cant keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Obama clearly noted in a choice between supporting the Israeli's, or supporting the Palestinians, he'd side with the Palestinians, imho. And that, could be a construed as initiating a war against Israel - now is their chance. Obama is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 boo hoo. Isreal can suck my dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 boo hoo. Isreal can suck my dick. LOL At least there's one honest lefty here. Looney; but honest about it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Isreal doesn't matter. But Israel needs our support from aggression from extremist Arab groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 The Bush administration told Israel the same thing: About a month ago, Haaretz reported that the Bush administration had turned down an Israeli request for certain security items that could upgrade Israel's capability to attack Iran. The U.S. administration reportedly saw the request as a sign preparations were moving ahead for an Israeli attack on Iran. [...] The Israeli requests were discussed during President George W. Bush's visit to Israel in May, as well as during Defense Minister Ehud Barak's visit to Washington in July. In a series of meetings at a very senior level, following Bush's visit, the Americans made clear to the Israelis that for now they are sticking to the diplomatic option to halt the Iranian nuclear project and that Jerusalem does not have a green light from Washington for an attack on Iran. The only differences are: Netanyahu's now in power, and his gov't is seen as more likely to attack Iran than the previous Olmert gov't There are people in Israel and the United States who want to create the impression that the two countries are sparring, both over Iran and the settlement issue And if you think a strike on Iran is purely Israel's concern, you're probably not taking into account how a strike will affect the security of our troops in Iraq, as well as our ability to help moderate the Shi'ite-dominated gov't in that country. It wouldn't be hyperbolic to say that an Israeli strike on Iran would destroy most (if not all) of the progress we've made in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 True, with the exception being, that Bush told them the same thing while *being a steadfast supporter of the state of Israel". Obama is not. OBama has stated he'd side with the Arabs, if push came to shove or whatever the actual quote is. Obama hasn't told the Palestinian terrorists to quite terrorizing, but he's on record as telling Israel to stop building settlements in the West Bank. The difference, as I see it, is the message between the lines, concerning Obama's predisposition? to support the Palestinians, which sends a very different message, despite the same words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 OBama has stated he'd side with the Arabs, if push came to shove or whatever the actual quote is. Yeah, you're gonna have to go ahead and show me that quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Israelis will be anxiously watching Obama's June 4 speech in Cairo, where he will deliver a message to the Muslim world Read article here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Wouldn't it have been much easier for everyone if the area known as Isreal would have been designated as a free religion zone rather than a sanctuary for Jews? Why does the US, which has a constitution that gurantees a secular government and that each citizen can practice their own religion, spend so much time and money supporting a nation that does not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Fair enough - the actual quote is: "Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. " the read between the lines is, to me: 1. The failure to sympethize with the plight of Jewish Americans who are direly affected by Arab extremists, means something. In fact, demanding Israel stop building settlements on the West Bank, and not demanding an end to violence against Israel, is very telling. 2. In the wake of violence against Israel, especially threats of violence/annilation by Iran, threats against Jews by extremists in this country, has Obama met with Jewish Americans? Don't think so. 3. In openly showing a predisposition to support Arab and Paskistani Americans, the inferred information about Obama's ideas areon display. The extension of that support is not far fetched. If war breaks out between Israel and any Arab country, or extremist group,and hostilities occured against Jewish Americans by extremists here, which side is it logical to figure has Obama's empathy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Sorry, cal, but your "reading between the lines" does not an Obama quote make. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 boo hoo. Isreal can suck my dick. Way to add to the topic. Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Isreal doesn't matter. But Israel needs our support from aggression from extremist Arab groups. I don't know Cal. They have enough nuke capability to pretty much flatten the region if so inclined. After WWII, they aren't going to wait around to see what happens. They are going to determine what happens, and to be honest, I can't blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damajuki Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Yeah, you're gonna have to go ahead and show me that quote. Thanks, Lumbergh. I mean, the real Lumbergh, not the Fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Well, mz the pussy, it's all I have to go on - he went to a Muslim school, allegedly, in Indonesia, middle name is Hussein, cherry picked Arab and Pakistani Americans for no restrictions support politically speaking, is demanding Israel stop the settlements in the West Bank, but has not demanded an end to Palestinian extremists' violence against Israel, instead, wants Palestinians to have their own state. Which, is a fine idea, they could have had one back in the day when Israel was created, but they hatefully refused... Obama is cryptic, close to the vest manipulative as the core of his public personality. Reading between the lines and his actions are all we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Way to add to the topic. Good job. yeah, because the original post/ topic is so well thought out it inspires much intenlligent thinking and conversing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Great. Buttock Otrauma will turn on Israel, while making a speech to the Muslim world to show endearment for them... only. That's all Iran, Hamas/Hezbollah needs, for the US to not support Israel anymore, and all hell can break loose in that region. When that happens? Otrauma's middle name will be mud. ******************************************* http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...-40040020090602 U.S.-Israeli relationship takes new direction Tue Jun 2, 2009 5:24pm IST By Jeffrey Heller JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Pressure. Defiance. Collision. After George W. Bush's terms of endearment for Israel -- a country he once described as a "light unto nations" -- a different terminology is being used to describe its cloudy relationship with his successor, Barack Obama. At odds with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over Palestinian statehood and Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the new U.S. president will try to patch ties with the Muslim world in an address he will deliver in Egypt on Thursday. Israelis and Arabs will be listening carefully for one of Obama's expected messages -- policy Netanyahu has met with defiant words -- that creation of a Palestinian state is essential for peace and settlement expansion must stop. The U.S.-Israeli rift after eight years of a Bush presidency that pursued statehood only late in its second term and turned a blind eye to settlement building is raising questions over whether a close alliance will deteriorate into alienation. Maariv, a popular Israeli newspaper, summed it up in a one-word, front-page headline on Tuesday: "Pressure". "The president doesn't want to see even one cement mixer in the West Bank," an Israeli political source, briefed by Netanyahu aides, quoted U.S. Middle East envoy George Mitchell telling an Israeli delegation that met him in London last week. Possible scenarios for twisting Netanyahu's arm could range from U.S. inaction at the United Nations in thwarting resolutions critical of Israel to choking off some military supplies, political sources and commentators said. "Delaying the shipment of spares for the Apaches can ground the air force," political columnist Ben Caspit wrote in Maariv, referring to Israel's U.S.-made attack helicopters. Continued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Well, mz the pussy, it's all I have to go on Which is nothing. You are "reading between the lines" and inferring something you wish to infer, not something any rational person sees in his words or actions. he went to a Muslim school, allegedly, in Indonesia Interviews by The Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it's a public and secular institution that has been open to students of all faiths since before the White House hopeful attended in the late 1960s. via MSNBC quoting the AP middle name is Hussein, That's it? Pathetic. You really do have nothing to go on. My middle name is Harris. What does that tell you about me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Did you attend a Muslim school in Indonesia, admire your socialist professors in college, and adopt and teach Alinski's teachings, after having a commie mentor in Hawaii, a terrorist good friend, a racist anti-America pastor? Then you're probably fine, mz the pussy, political warts and all. @@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Did you attend a Muslim school in Indonesia, admire your socialist professors in college, and adopt and teach Alinski's teachings, after having a commie mentor in Hawaii, a terrorist good friend, a racist anti-America pastor? Then you're probably fine, mz the pussy, political warts and all. @@ I did. Still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Did you attend a Muslim school in Indonesia, admire your socialist professors in college, and adopt and teach Alinski's teachings, after having a commie mentor in Hawaii, a terrorist good friend, a racist anti-America pastor? Then you're probably fine, mz the pussy, political warts and all. @@ We already debunked the Muslim school thing, so you can cross that off of your list. I admired college profs from all different backgrounds, as long as they were smart/interesting. I was a psych major, so politics didn't really come up. Who has Obama taught Alinsky to? Alinsky was a community organization pioneer, so it is no wonder Obama, who started as a community organizer, read his shit. PS Alinsky pretty much paved the way for your tea parties from a few months ago, so you should be thanking him. Either that, or you're a "Socialist." As if you even know what that entails. He does not have a "terrorist" as a "good friend." The Rev Wright thing is tired already. Rush doesn't even talk about it anymore (does he?). Looks to me the bark is falling off of the cal tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Sounds like the bark is on the other tree, Mr. Shagbark Hickory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I envy Israel...they don't have to listen to a word the idiot Obama says. My MIL was born and raised in Switzerland. She was born in 1925 in Rheinfelden up on the German border. She compares and fears what is happening now in this country is what happened in Germany in the 30's. Since she was there, right in the middle of Hitlers surge to power, I don't discount her views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 She compares and fears what is happening now in this country is what happened in Germany in the 30's. Since she was there, right in the middle of Hitlers surge to power, I don't discount her views. Guess I, Alo and the rest of the Browns Board Jews should find some sort of secret compartment to hide in. Any goyim around here have an attic to spare???? Come on people, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Another post by the illustrious mz the pussy that disparages people. When are you going to grow up?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 If your mother-in-law says the return of the Third Reich is nigh, then I guess it's time for me to get out of here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 If your mother-in-law says the return of the Third Reich is nigh, then I guess it's time for me to get out of here... Reading seems to escape you. She or I never said the return of the Third Reich. She said the same thing that happened in the 30's Germany seems to be happening here.......fearful, vengeful people clinging to a failed leader. As a Jew, you should be fearful of that my friend. Just stand up and be a man....don't look for sympathy because you are a Jew, because in my book, people looking for sympathy can find it in the dictionary.....it's somewhere between shit and syphilis. I am proud the Israelis don't wait for that. They are out and front and not going to see what happened in the 30's and 40's happen again. You should support it too. Sorry I cussed....I don't do that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 She or I never said the return of the Third Reich. She said the same thing that happened in the 30's Germany seems to be happening here.......fearful, vengeful people clinging to a failed leader. I give that make-up attempt an flat-out F. Unlike you and the rest of the paranoid schizos around here, I am not afraid. At all. Why you may ask? Simple. I see how f-ing stupid those who are afraid are and it makes me rest easy. As a Jew, you should be fearful of that my friend. Really. Why is that? You and your boys comin' to get me?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 LOL...I have to admit that is funny, thought way off base......but don't talk to me about bigoted or biased....LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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