The Gipper Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type) Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish) Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish) Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country) So, here you go in alphabetical order: Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Josh Allen: Great Sam Darnold: Good Lamar Jackson: Average Baker Mayfield: Good Josh Rosen: Bust Mason Rudolph: Average Mike White - Great Logan Woodside - (Toledo) Good depending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 They are all overreach bums. No I'll think about it when I can figure who is really the best professional football quarterback prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type) Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish) Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish) Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country) So, here you go in alphabetical order: Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Average Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust Good Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust Bust at QB, Average as WR Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust Good Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Good Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust Average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissyBoyFloyd Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust ALL DEPENDING ON IF THEY GET DRAFTED INTO THE RIGHT SITUATIION, WHICH ODDS ARE ABOUT 50/50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust I see a lot of Brandon Weeden, Derek Anderson in him. Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust Upside is Carson Palmerish. Downside is Matt Leinertish. I say he comes in the middle...so average. Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust Do not think he has NFL QB potential. But he may turn out to be a decent RB/WR Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust To me, hardest to predict. The JFF comparisons are fair as far as style and personality..but then so are the Wilson/Brees comparisons in terms of talent and production. Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Seems to have the right tools to be a good NFL QB. Question is: will he be a tool to the point that his personality gets in the way of his career? I think he will come around through maturity. Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust Just a gut feeling that he could break out from the Big 12 curse to become pretty good. As far as the likes of White, Woodside etc. I will give my lawyerly answer: I am without information sufficient to form a belief as to the accuracy of the allegations contained therein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 20 hours ago, The Gipper said: Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust------2nd stringer Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust-------Good Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust--------other position convert Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust..............Good to average Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust.............Good but may be like Bradford..........often injured, they both have similar builds that just may not be rugged enough Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust.................Average In any other year or if we were able to acquire that bridge player, I think I'd go with Darnold. We already have Kizer a year ahead of Allen in development. Keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 20 hours ago, The Gipper said: OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type) Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish) Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish) Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country) So, here you go in alphabetical order: Josh Allen: bust Sam Darnold: Average, Lamar Jackson: Bust Baker Mayfield: Very Good, maybe great Josh Rosen Very Good , almost Kosarian good Mason Rudolph: Good to very good My sleepers are Lauletta and White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Except for Carson Palmer.. Every QB that comes out of USC either has Andre Ware or Rodney Peete disease... Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, nickers said: Except for Carson Palmer.. Every QB that comes out of USC either has Andre Ware or Rodney Peete disease... Just sayin. I think you may be right. Here is the complete list of drafted USC QBs since 1950. See many on there worth a shite as a Pro? Drafted Players Share & more Glossary Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2016 3 93 Cody Kessler QB 23 CLE 2016 2017 0 0 1 3 12 8 0-8-0 139 218 1506 6 3 12 17 0 USC College Stats 2 2013 4 98 Matt Barkley QB 22 PHI 2013 2016 0 0 0 2 11 6 1-5-0 159 266 1911 8 18 12 0 0 USC College Stats 3 2009 1 5 Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2016 0 0 5 34 77 72 37-35-0 1295 2285 15219 86 86 169 449 13 USC College Stats 4 2008 5 137 John David Booty QB MIN 0 0 0 USC 5 2006 1 10 Matt Leinart QB 23 ARI 2006 2012 0 0 1 12 33 18 8-10-0 366 641 4065 15 21 47 89 2 USC College Stats 6 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel QB 23 NWE 2005 2017 0 1 5 46 106 81 36-45-0 1571 2666 17449 104 81 266 1012 5 USC College Stats 7 2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2017 0 3 11 108 182 181 92-88-1 3941 6307 46247 294 187 301 474 8 USC College Stats 8 1996 7 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB GNB 0 0 0 USC College Stats 9 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson QB 22 JAX 1995 2003 0 0 1 19 48 29 12-17-0 494 806 5795 30 23 140 877 4 USC College Stats 10 1991 1 24 Todd Marinovich QB 22 RAI 1991 1992 0 0 0 3 8 8 3-5-0 104 205 1345 8 9 12 44 0 USC College Stats 11 1991 10 260 Pat O'Hara QB TAM 0 0 0 USC College Stats 12 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete QB 23 DET 1989 2004 0 0 7 46 104 87 45-42-0 1344 2346 16338 76 92 270 1139 16 USC College Stats 13 1980 4 109 Paul McDonald QB 22 CLE 1980 1986 0 0 1 15 85 21 8-13-0 411 767 5269 24 37 37 6 1 USC College Stats 14 1978 5 131 Rob Hertel QB 23 CIN 1978 1978 0 0 0 0 3 0 1 4 9 0 0 1 0 0 USC College Stats 15 1977 6 140 Vince Evans QB 22 CHI 1977 1995 0 0 2 29 100 39 14-25-0 704 1390 9485 52 74 212 1129 14 USC College Stats 16 1975 7 176 Pat Haden QB 22 RAM 1976 1981 0 1 4 33 65 55 35-19-1 731 1363 9296 52 60 124 609 6 USC College Stats 17 1973 8 205 Mike Rae QB 22 OAK 1976 1979 0 0 0 9 28 8 4-4-0 124 249 1536 12 14 44 300 2 USC College Stats 18 1970 8 201 Mike Holmgren QB STL 0 0 0 USC 19 1965 20 270 Craig Fertig QB PIT 0 0 0 USC College Stats 20 1964 1 2 Pete Beathard QB 22 KAN 1964 1973 0 0 3 26 110 35 18-16-1 575 1282 8176 43 84 131 680 11 USC College Stats 21 1963 10 136 Bill Nelsen QB 22 PIT 1963 1972 0 1 5 53 90 74 40-31-3 963 1905 14165 98 101 84 89 2 USC College Stats 22 1962 34 268 Ben Charles QB BUF 0 0 0 USC 23 1953 2 24 Rudy Bukich QB 22 RAM 1953 1968 0 0 2 30 103 41 21-17-3 626 1190 8433 61 74 112 109 9 USC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 To answer my above question: we do have good old Bill Nelsen on there. The Best other than Palmer. And did anyone remember that Mike Holmgren was a USC QB? Not I. Looking at him all these years I would have thought of him as an offensive lineman. I didn't even know he went to USC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, The Gipper said: To answer my above question: we do have good old Bill Nelsen on there. The Best other than Palmer. And did anyone remember that Mike Holmgren was a USC QB? Not I. Looking at him all these years I would have thought of him as an offensive lineman. I didn't even know he went to USC. I always thought Palmer looked and played a lot like Bill Nelson.. And I didnt know Pat Haden went there.. He was a pretty damn good QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissyBoyFloyd Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Something you can't remember is something you can't forget. And one other thing: Saying something to some means nothing, to others it leaves nothing to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/20/2018 at 11:01 AM, The Gipper said: OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type) Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish) Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish) Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country) So, here you go in alphabetical order: Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust True! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfBuddha Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Josh Allen: Bust Sam Darnold: Good Lamar Jackson: Good Baker Mayfield: Great Josh Rosen: Good Mason Rudolph: Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 hours ago, LionOfBuddha said: Josh Allen: Bust Sam Darnold: Good Lamar Jackson: Good Baker Mayfield: Great Josh Rosen: Good Mason Rudolph: Bust 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 23 hours ago, nickers said: Except for Carson Palmer.. Every QB that comes out of USC either has Andre Ware or Rodney Peete disease... Just sayin. Could you imagine the Browns with a big 3 of Todd Marijuanavich Charles White and Josh Gordon man what a party!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 hours ago, SissyBoyFloyd said: Something you can't remember is something you can't forget. And one other thing: Saying something to some means nothing, to others it leaves nothing to be said. Kafka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 2/20/2018 at 12:01 PM, The Gipper said: OK, here you go for any of you that want to play. I want you to put on your Karnak the Magnificent hat and make your psychic projection about the QB prospects coming in this year. For purposes of this, please allow your mind to consider each candidate in how his career will turn out along the following measuring scale with some samples Great: Hall of Fame, possibly SB winning talent (Aaron Rodgers/Ben R. type) Good: Consistently leading his team to playoffs, if not quite great (Andy Daltonish) Average: Serviceable, starter some for average to poor team. Spot starter, or career backup (Colt McCoyish) Bust: You know what this means....we have seen it enough (Johnny Manziel/Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden country) So, here you go in alphabetical order: Josh Allen: Total Bust. I'm in complete awe of people's fascination with a guy from Wyoming who has shown so very little. We might as well call him "Uncle Rico" because the only thing he can do is throw the ball over them mountains. 13 TD's? Really? The only plays the Networks show from Allen are the ones where the pocket breaks down, he runs to the right, and he fires a ball down the field. I'm scouring videos and looking for videos that show Allen taking the snap, looking through progressions, and firing an accurate ball. I can't find too much of that. Josh Allen just seems like the next version of the guy who can throw it a mile, but not where you need it to go. For a team like the Browns, who have struggled (obviously) with finding a QB, can you really afford to take a guy from Wyoming just because he LOOKS like the best QB? Furthermore, if I hear ONE MORE PERSON compare Allen to Big Ben, I'll lose my mind. Big Ben had like 37 passing TDs his last year, and probably several other rushing ones. In other words, Ben just about tripled Josh Allen's output. Allen scares me to death. Pass. Sam Darnold: Good. This one is so difficult to judge because Darnold appears to be raw to me, and the turnovers scare me to death. He's young, and we saw first hand what a young QB who struggles with turnovers can do in the NFL, but Darnold definitely has moxie and grit. He's a natural play-maker and may possibly be more of an "athlete" than a pure "QB". Faster than you think with a better arm than some give him credit for, Darnold has ideal size and toughness for the NFL QB position. He's a threat to run it in during red zone possessions, and he's pretty deadly throwing it on the run. Much has been said about his "loopy" throwing motion, and we'll see if that's an issue in the NFL. Edge defenders are quite adept at stripping the ball if it's held low, so that could be an issue unless it's corrected. Still, I find myself intrigued, and at this early stage of the process, I believe he's a worthy candidate. Lamar Jackson: No Effing Clue (New category, LOL) You'll constantly hear from pundits across the land that Josh Allen has the most "upside" of all the QB's in the draft. That might be, but I can make a compelling argument that Lamar Jackson possesses the highest upside of the QB class. Now, much of Lamar's chances for success will hinge on the specific offense that is designed around him. If you want him to play under center, you may not get what you're looking for (right away), but if the offense is molded to fit around Lamar's unique physical gifts, you could see someone capable of putting up points and gashing defenses for large chunks of yardage. He's actually faster than you think, and it's not just his top speed, but how quickly he GETS THERE. His acceleration is baffling, and he can go from a throwing stance to all-out sprint in about one step. THAT'S what makes him so completely dangerous to defenders. It's difficult to get the correct angle on Lamar, and his highlights are littered with plays where defenders appear to have him lined up, but then don't even touch the guy because they misjudged his speed. There's also a trend now where analysts are saying Lamar's stock is rapidly ascending, not for QB, but for WR. I think that's a bit premature, and also lazy analysis. Some writers make it seem like Lamar can't throw the ball, and nothing could be further from the truth. He's deadly accurate across the middle, has a terrific home-run ball, and has perfected the play-action slant pattern. There's a WR on the Browns' roster (well, for now) who might be the best slant runner in the league. Lamar to Gordon? Hmmmm. (it's not going to happen, but it'd be fun to watch!) I say "No Effing Clue" about Lamar because he's probably a project player, and it's likely we won't see him play too much QB in 2018, unless it's preseason. Given time and the right system, he could be a monster to defend. Additionally, if you draft Lamar, you could have a field day creating "red zone packages" for him, and this is one more thing defenses would have to prepare for. 1st and goal from the 10 yard line? Uh oh, here comes Lamar. Is he running? Passing? Whatever it is, it's scary. Baker Mayfield: Great. My only "great" ranking of the bunch, and this could change as the process evolves, but I like this kid. A lot. He was a walk-on at Texas Tech as a freshman, and what's he do? He wins the job...as a walk-on FRESHMAN. He loses the job (I forget why...injury? Another big name beat him out while hurt, right?), and then he goes to Oklahoma, AGAIN as a walk-on. What's he do there? He wins the job, and then wins the freaking Heisman. Does he have question marks about his character? Maybe. Yes he was arrested for something stupid and troubling. Yes, he tends to get a little animated and does bone-head stuff during the games. But like I said in another thread, I think Cleveland NEEDS a little chip on their shoulder. I think we could use a little fire and gusto. Does Baker need to tone it down and not HURT his team? Yeah he does. Does his risk of injury go up if he ticks off the wrong people in the league? Possibly. But look, I'm TIRED...no...I'm BEYOND tired of being the NFL whipping boy, and I'm ready for a team that is sick of it too. Can you imagine how difficult it is for a guy to win the QB job at a major passing university as a walk-on? Now, imagine the same guy doing it TWICE, but the second time, it's at a major university in Oklahoma. Josh Rosen: Good with the possibility of being great. Rosen throws the ball better than anyone, and when you break down the QB position, it basically comes down to delivering the football to your guy, at the right time. Rosen does this, and does it well. The only thing holding him back from "great" is his PERCEIVED attitude and personality. Maybe it's no big deal and scouts and analysts are simply looking for a flaw that doesn't exist. We'll know soon, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Rosen do well, ESPECIALLY if he falls a little bit to a better team. Mason Rudolph: Bust. I don't believe guys like Mason can get it done anymore in the NFL. He throws it pretty well, but he appears to be a statue in the pocket, and I don't see him having the necessary protection he needs to be successful. I'd literally be shocked if he ever turns into a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Mason Rudolph: Bust. I don't believe guys like Mason can get it done anymore in the NFL. He throws it pretty well, but he appears to be a statue in the pocket, and I don't see him having the necessary protection he needs to be successful. I'd literally be shocked if he ever turns into a starter. Sounds kinda like that guy that plays up there in the Boston area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, jiggins7919 said: Lamar Jackson: No Effing Clue (New category, LOL) I agree with you. LOL from NFL.COM on Jackson: "Weaknesses Carries spindly legs and a thin base. Slightly built for punishing hits he takes from pocket and as a runner. Must learn to slide. Lackadaisical in setup. Throws with excessively narrow base and stiff front side. Flips it rather than throws it. Makes targets work too hard. Sails throws that can end up in hands of a safety. At times, hesitates to challenge safeties in the seam. Low release point leads to tipped passes. Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high. Draft Projection Rounds 1-2 NFL Comparison Michael Vick" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 14 hours ago, The Gipper said: Mason Rudolph: Bust. I don't believe guys like Mason can get it done anymore in the NFL. He throws it pretty well, but he appears to be a statue in the pocket, and I don't see him having the necessary protection he needs to be successful. I'd literally be shocked if he ever turns into a starter. Sounds kinda like that guy that plays up there in the Boston area. As of now, Brady has the better arm Gip. Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefited from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 2-3 PS- Rudolph was throwing to two guys- Washington and Ateman that are going to get drafted. Washington possibly before Rudolph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 7 hours ago, hoorta said: As of now, Brady has the better arm Gip. Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefited from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 2-3 PS- Rudolph was throwing to two guys- Washington and Ateman that are going to get drafted. Washington possibly before Rudolph. Exactly. I'm very hesitant to draft guys who were successful throwing to the best WRs. The reason accuracy is so coveted in the NFL is because receivers aren't "open" in the pros like they were in college. You don't have as much time to process, guys aren't as open, and coverages are more complex. Getting a quarterback right is difficult, or else it wouldn't be such a problem. Every single QB in this draft comes with their own significant question marks, and I just truly hope we somehow manage to get it right. Of course, we could get lucky and the VETERAN we sign soon could be the answer. Don't laugh, it worked for San Francisco. Of course, there are SOME of us who actually wanted to DRAFT Garoppolo, but hey...what do I know? *grumble* Sign McCarron. Pray...PRAY....he can successfully run an NFL offense and stay healthy. Draft Baker Mayfield and see what he's got. Don't trade down, don't get cute. Take your #1 rated QB and screw what the analysts think. At pick #4, same thing. DON'T GET CUTE. Trade down ONLY if it's to #6, and take advantage of a Jets team that needs a QB and will give us a big pick in return. This is assuming they don't get Cousins, which sounds like a long shot if the report of them offering a staggering $60 million in the 1st year are valid. At any rate, NO MORE trading down to the freaking 20's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said: Exactly. I'm very hesitant to draft guys who were successful throwing to the best WRs. The reason accuracy is so coveted in the NFL is because receivers aren't "open" in the pros like they were in college. You don't have as much time to process, guys aren't as open, and coverages are more complex. Getting a quarterback right is difficult, or else it wouldn't be such a problem. Every single QB in this draft comes with their own significant question marks, and I just truly hope we somehow manage to get it right. Of course, we could get lucky and the VETERAN we sign soon could be the answer. Don't laugh, it worked for San Francisco. Of course, there are SOME of us who actually wanted to DRAFT Garoppolo, but hey...what do I know? *grumble* Sign McCarron. Pray...PRAY....he can successfully run an NFL offense and stay healthy. Draft Baker Mayfield and see what he's got. Don't trade down, don't get cute. Take your #1 rated QB and screw what the analysts think. At pick #4, same thing. DON'T GET CUTE. Trade down ONLY if it's to #6, and take advantage of a Jets team that needs a QB and will give us a big pick in return. This is assuming they don't get Cousins, which sounds like a long shot if the report of them offering a staggering $60 million in the 1st year are valid. At any rate, NO MORE trading down to the freaking 20's! ^^Love this post.^^ IMHO, too many are saying we should sign Cousins or McCarron & wait until later for a QB. DO NOT pass up on taking a possible franchise QB at #1 to "settle" for what's available later. The Browns have made that "take one later" mistake far too many times. The culture in Cleveland HAS to change. I believe we have finally turned the FO reins over to men who can & will reverse the negative culture that has existed here since "the return". I also believe they will take the QB THEY deem best AT #1. I can hardly wait for this draft! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 Josh Allen: Bust. Great kid - ideal altar boy but small school corners rendered him inconsistent. I can see why an avid Ratbird fan like Mel Kiper wants us to gag on this kid.... If we draft him, I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Oh, hold on, someone said he LOVES football so what's the worry??? Sam Darnold: Great. Beat the Big 10 Champions as a Freshman before winning the Pac 12 in 2017. He's a much better version of winning than Charlie Sheen. There's some legit success here as depicted in my QB stats thread. FWIW, I heard from a very credible source he's played QB for 3 years in his entire football career so the upside is killer good here. I do admit there's a lot to clean up.... Having said that, I almost forgot he LOVES football so how could we go wrong. Lamar Jackson: Bust. Nice kid though and he LOVES football if only it mattered. If they ever want to re-make the movie Mod Squad again - he'd be my pick to play Linc. We already drafted him last year in the 2nd round. No need to repeat such a mistake at #1 or #4 overall. He may have some Vince Young in him for quick, short lived success but no thanks.... But man does he LOVE football.... Baker Mayfield: Great. I'd have to get really creative to see anything just average about him. Oh wait - he LOVES football so we'd be all set... Josh Rosen: Good to average. I'm not a big fan of this guy but I feel like I'm swimming against the current with my old school stubborn. Mason Rudolph: Good-great. Brandon Weeden has single-handedly assassinated this kid's chances of a fan base like our's at giving him a chance. That said, his HC at Ok State said he's the only starting QB to lead them to 10 wins or more for 3 consecutive years. I like his upside enough to swim against the current if I have to. And don't forget - he LOVES football too. Mike White. Great. Most underrated QB in the draft IMO. Let me start and finish by saying he loves football enough to understand the completion percentage I printed in the QB stats as well as the nice TD:INT ratio only a LOVE for the game not to be confused with talent can accomplish.... If we lasso AJ McCarron in FA - we need to alley oop it with Mike White. And have I told you he's a nice kid too? Oh yeah, he's a GREAT kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 FEB. 25, 2018 VERY ROUGH IDEAS, WILL PROBABLY CHANGE BEFORE THE DRAFT Josh Allen: Great, Good, Average, Bust....... unknown, maybe average Sam Darnold: Great, Good, Average, Bust......maybe the best of the class of 2018, good Lamar Jackson: Great, Good, Average, Bust..... average at best Baker Mayfield: Great, Good, Average, Bust..... might improve if he's behind an established quarterback then good? Josh Rosen: Great, Good, Average, Bust....... can't get a read on him yet, some have him1st, some 3rd, average for now Mason Rudolph: Great, Good, Average, Bust...... a gamble not worth taking in R1, average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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