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13 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

Moving it to Canton day 3 may not be a bad idea?. 1)it's never been done 2) Roger has seen the attendance in day 3. Adding maybe a new surrounding area,Football HOF with fairgrounds attractions.Hell, It just may work!!

It would be great for Canton and NE Ohio.

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On 2/15/2018 at 2:42 PM, The Gipper said:

I wonder how this is determined.

Nevertheless...in my considered opinion.....I think they should hold the drafts, now that they are such a big thing.....in cities in which they would never likely hold a Super Bowl.

Like they did with Chicago and Philly. Except the arse kisssers had to kiss Jerry Jones's arse and hold this next one in Dallas...because they are such gutless wonders.

But, heretofore, they should NOT  hold them in Miami, Jax. Tampa, Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, SF Bay...or Las Vegas, or in dome cities like Minneapolis, Indy....places where they have and may again host Super Bowls.  What about Detroit? Is that a dome? I know they had a SB in the old Silverdome. Also not sure about Seattle.  I don't think they are in a dome there now that the Kingdome is gone.  Would they hold a SB in Seattle?

But certainly:  Denver, KC, Cleveland/Canton, Chicago, Cincy, Pittspuke, Philly, DC, Baltimore, Buffalo, Boston....maybe Charlotte, Nashville...and NYC.

And....at some point they must hold one in Green Bay.

Here is how it is determined.........................

You have 4 schidt cities, and then you have Las Vegas, new home of the Raiders.

Hmmmmmm... let me see.....Cleveland or Las Vegas...................... wow.................this IS a tough one.

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4 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Here is how it is determined.........................

You have 4 schidt cities, and then you have Las Vegas, new home of the Raiders.

Hmmmmmm... let me see.....Cleveland or Las Vegas...................... wow.................this IS a tough one.

Says the guy who lives in the Youngstown of Tennessee... 

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8 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Here is how it is determined.........................

You have 4 schidt cities, and then you have Las Vegas, new home of the Raiders.

Hmmmmmm... let me see.....Cleveland or Las Vegas...................... wow.................this IS a tough one.

You are right....it is not tough.   It is Cleveland by a thousand million miles.   The NFL was created in NE Ohio.  It has a strong avid fan base (despite having a few FRAK arsebags like you).  It has a 100 year history of pro football.   Vegas has what?  Casinos?  We have casinos.....you can lose all the money you ever make at a casino right here in Cleveland/NE Ohio. 

Vegas someday will have the Raiders.  

But, you know....have the Mayor of Vegas call us in 100 years when it has 100 years of pro football history behind it.  And even then they might not have fans who care much.  What makes anyone think that after an initial excitement that Vegas will be any more enthusiastic about football than LA is.  And we know that LA is lethargic and apathetic.

The NFL in Vegas will just be another show.   Cirque du Soleil, Wayne Newton, Celine Dion,  Folies Bergere.    Lots of people may just opt for the Circus and the Boobs.   I would.  

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24 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

You are right....it is not tough.   It is Cleveland by a thousand million miles.   The NFL was created in NE Ohio.  It has a strong avid fan base (despite having a few FRAK arsebags like you).  It has a 100 year history of pro football.   Vegas has what?  Casinos?  We have casinos.....you can lose all the money you ever make at a casino right here in Cleveland/NE Ohio. 

Vegas someday will have the Raiders.  

But, you know....have the Mayor of Vegas call us in 100 years when it has 100 years of pro football history behind it.  And even then they might not have fans who care much.  What makes anyone think that after an initial excitement that Vegas will be any more enthusiastic about football than LA is.  And we know that LA is lethargic and apathetic.

The NFL in Vegas will just be another show.   Cirque du Soleil, Wayne Newton, Celine Dion,  Folies Bergere.    Lots of people may just opt for the Circus and the Boobs.   I would.  

NOBODY wants to go to Cleveland.

 

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12 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

NOBODY wants to go to Cleveland.

 

This is not an issue of   Tourism......and who says this event has ANYTHING to do with bringing in a lot of people from out of town.  This is an event for the FANS of football.  It is far, far, far more to do with having the local fans participate in this fan fair It would be for the people of Cleveland/Akron/Canton/Youngstown.......not for some farmer from Dubuque or a shite shoveler from Memphis. 

A few people from out of town may come.  And that is fine.  But primarily it has nothing to do with that.  When this event was held in Philly last year and in Chicago the year before....it was ALL about those local fans.  Not fugazis like yinz. 

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19 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

NOBODY wants to go to Cleveland.

 

The RNC was a huge success regardless of your party, Cleveland was packed with no problems, and plenty of national and international media was there to cover it. 

The CAVS and INDIANS have drawn well especially in the playoffs. Cleveland has also added tons of new hotel and motel rooms.

It's a real small market both as a city and sports teams but NOBODY? Wrong.  (yes it's not NYC, CHI, LA, BOS, PHI, MIA, DAL, ATL, WAS, HOU, SF, et.al. D'UH we know that)

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1 hour ago, mjp28 said:

The RNC was a huge success regardless of your party, Cleveland was packed with no problems, and plenty of national and international media was there to cover it. 

The CAVS and INDIANS have drawn well especially in the playoffs. Cleveland has also added tons of new hotel and motel rooms.

It's a real small market both as a city and sports teams but NOBODY? Wrong.  (yes it's not NYC, CHI, LA, BOS, PHI, MIA, DAL, ATL, WAS, HOU, SF, et.al. D'UH we know that)

It is NOT a "real small market"  It is one of the Top 15-20 markets in the country.   It has teams in 3 of the 4 major sports.  Consider all those that only have one.   There are only 13 markets that do have a team in all 4 major sports:   The Bay area,  LA, Phoenix, Denver, Dallas, Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit, Miami, Washington DC, Philly, NYC, and Boston.

Bottom line:  the draft is 98% for the local fans. It is not for drawing tourists.

Even with that...the Pro Football HOF is THE biggest "tourist" destination associated with football. And that is here. 

Where else is dedicated to just Pro Football Tourism?   Fixed site that is.  Sure, the Super Bowl draws tourists....and fans travel to different sites to see their teams.  The Browns fans travel very well...despite the shite the team management has produced the last 20 years. 

But yea, name any other fixed site aimed at football tourism......

So....the point is:  Glommie is a dumbarse in this regard:   When it comes to football touism, people DO want to come to Canton/Cleveland. More than anywhere else.

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Well I was curious and had to look this up, SURPRISED? I was a bit.....

So, during discussion with /u/JoeFlaccoIsAnEliteQB in this thread I was inspired to do a little research and rank NFL teams by (English-language) media market size — not just their primary market, but any market within a 75-mile radius of the team’s stadium. Yes, I am a data freak. :)

Why a 75-mile radius? Because that’s what the NFL uses to determine primary and secondary local markets for blackouts. If a media market was in the radius of more than one team, I used the team that was closest. If they seemed equidistant, I just split the market in half.

Rank Team(s) Pop. in TV Households (000s) Media Market(s)
1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

Split between New England and New York

2 Split between Baltimore and Philadelphia

3 Split between Jacksonville and Tampa

4 This excludes the Vancouver media market, which is within the radius only by the southern tip of Vancouver Island. My reasoning is that a) NFL blackout rules don’t apply in Canada anyway (I was wrong) and B) it’s a long ferry ride from Victoria to Seattle. If I included Vancouver, Seattle would be tied with Dallas at spot 7.

5 I used two circles, 75 miles from each Milwaukee and Green Bay, which is what the NFL uses.

6 This excludes the Toronto media market, which is actually within the 75-mile circle. If I included Toronto, Buffalo would be ranked 4. It also excludes the Syracuse area which, though outside the 75-mile radius, is apparently sometimes blacked out if Buffalo doesn’t sell out.

7 The San Diego market in particular includes a wide swath of Mexico, including the Tijuana metro area, so I suspect there might be some Spanish-language households where they can/do watch American football, but I have no idea what number would be, nor for other teams that have a Spanish-language following. In addition, I didn’t include the Los Angeles area in the San Diego area, I guess assuming they were going to get their own team soon enough. If I included LA, it would rocket the Chargers to number 1.

Special thanks to /u/NapoleonBonerparts for first linking me to a data source.

EDIT: Formatting

EDIT 2: In case you were curious, because I was, here are the 75-mile radius market(s) that are larger than at least one of the above:

  • Los Angeles (18217)
  • Toronto (9787)
  • San Antonio (3933)
  • Raleigh (3557)
  • Vancouver (3506)
  • Birmingham (3435)
  • Oklahoma City (3404)
  • Norfolk (3195)
  • Portland (3022)

If we were also to include non-English speaking households, San Juan and Montréal would be on that list, too.

EDIT 3: I suspect that there will be some consternation as to where I put some markets, like, does anyone in Pennsylvania actually root for the Jets, Giants, Bills or Ravens? I don’t know. I’m just using (somewhat) strict geography. I’d love to hear from people who actually live in those areas :)

EDIT 4: Thanks to /u/superbluefish for noticing that I read my source documents wrong. The numbers I have aren’t actually TV Households, but they are Population in TV Households. I’ve fixed the title, and if I can find actual Canadian TV Household data, then I will update the numbers to that instead.

Sources: Nielsen, Television Bureau of Canada, Wikipedia, the506.com

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NOTE: The above is from reddit and I couldn't easily copy the link but it appears somewhat good in the data.

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I like this chart even better.............

 

MAJOR LEAGUE TV MARKETS

# Market Homes NBA NFL MLB NHL
1 New York 7.075M Knicks,
Nets
Giants,
Jets
Yankees,
Mets
Rangers,
Islanders,
Devils
2 Los Angeles 5.319M Lakers,
Clippers
Rams,
Chargers
Dodgers,
Angels
Kings,
Ducks
3 Chicago 3.300M Bulls Bears Cubs,
White Sox
Blackhawks
4 Philadelphia 2.870M 76ers Eagles Phillies Flyers
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2.648M Mavericks Cowboys Rangers Stars
6 Washington D.C. 2.492M Wizards Washington Nationals Capitals
7 Houston 2.467M Rockets Texans Astros no team
8 S.F./Oakland/S.J. 2.452M Warriors 49ers,
Raiders
Giants,
A’s
Sharks
9 Atlanta 2.449M Hawks Falcons Braves no team
10 Boston 2.425M Celtics Patriots Red Sox Bruins
11 Phoenix 1.920M Suns Cardinals D’Backs Coyotes
12 Seattle 1.881M no team Seahawks Mariners no team
13 Tampa-St. Petersburg 1.880M no team Buccaneers Rays Lightning
14 Detroit 1.779M Pistons Lions Tigers Red Wings
15 Minn.-St. Paul 1.730M Wolves Vikings Twins Wild
16 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1.678M Heat Dolphins Marlins Panthers
17 Denver 1.590M Nuggets Broncos Rockies Avalanche
18 Orlando-Daytona 1.531M Magic no team no team no team
19 Cleveland-Akron 1.447M Cavaliers Browns Indians no team
20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto 1.413M Kings no team no team no team
21 St. Louis 1.190M no team no team Cardinals Blues
22 Portland 1.181M Trail Blazers no team no team no team
23 Charlotte 1.145M Hornets Panthers no team no team
24 Pittsburgh 1.142M no team Steelers Pirates Penguins
25 Raleigh-Durham 1.133M no team no team no team Hurricanes
26 Baltimore 1.108M no team Ravens Orioles no team
27 Nashville 1.031M no team Titans no team Predators
28 Indianapolis 1.026M Pacers Colts no team no team
29 San Diego 1.003M no team no team Padres no team
30 Salt Lake City 949K Jazz no team no team no team
31 San Antonio 924K Spurs no team no team no team
33 Kansas City 901K no team Chiefs Royals no team
34 Columbus 897K no team no team no team Blue Jackets
35 Cincinnati 872K no team Bengals Reds no team
36 Milwaukee 869K Bucks Packers Brewers no team
40 Las Vegas 757K no team no team no team Gldn. Knights
41 Oklahoma City 706K Thunder no team no team no team
42 Jacksonville 701K no team Jaguars no team no team
50 Memphis 649K Grizzlies no team no team no team
51 New Orleans 638K Pelicans Saints no team no team
53 Buffalo 593K no team Bills no team Sabres

 

[2017-18 estimates from Nielsen via TVB (.pdf))

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