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and yet, it's only the non-dems who have been upset with the deficit all along.

Bush's deficit was "Unpatriotic"....

but the deficit was just FINE with them during the eight obamao years.

now, they hate the defiicit. It comes and goes, depending on the political advantage

they think they can glean from their posturing.;

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2 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

and yet, it's only the non-dems who have been upset with the deficit all along.

Bush's deficit was "Unpatriotic"....

but the deficit was just FINE with them during the eight obamao years.

now, they hate the defiicit. It comes and goes, depending on the political advantage

they think they can glean from their posturing.;

Do you hate the proposed deficit under Trump?

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yes, I hate it. On principle - we are headed towards disaster. The deficit is going to crush our economy.

The bigger straw that will break the back of all of us - is the plan to give citizenship to illegals. As in, they can

sign up for welfare then, social security, etc etc etc. And they will predominantly vote democratic/socialist free stuff.

Even a lot of the legal immigrant community knows that would be a disaster. Read up on Cloward-Piven. and remember that

"never let a crisis go to waste"

Rahm Emmanuel, formerly of the obaMao regime, now mayor of Chicago - said that. But he didn't invent the saying.

I worry that the fed raising interest rates and lowering interest rates won't be able to stem the tide of economic disaster possibility due to the serious repercussions of way, way, way too much debt to ever be paid back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

" By fall 1922, Germany found itself unable to make reparations payments.[15] The mark was by now practically worthless, making it impossible for Germany to buy foreign exchange or gold using paper marks. Instead, reparations were to be paid in goods such as coal. In January 1923, French and Belgian troops occupied the industrial region of Germany in the Ruhr valley to ensure reparations payments. Inflation was exacerbated when workers in the Ruhr went on a general strike and the German government printed more money to continue paying for their passive resistance.[16] By November 1923, the US dollar was worth 4,210,500,000,000 German marks.[17] "

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14 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

So you find the Dims blameless in the National deficit?

Hike up your skirt, your hypocrisy is showing.

Of course I don't find democrats blameless in the national deficit; they voted to approve this bill too. That wasn't the point I was making. I was making a point that apparently went above your head, so let me make it easier for you:

GOP/Right Wing opinions:

  • Deficit-increasing budget passed by Democrat majority Congress + signed by Obama = "Obamao"s fault, Democrats' fault, etc...
  • Deficit-increasing budget passed by GOP/Democrat bipartisan Congress + signed by Obama = "Obamao"s fault, Democrats' fault, etc...
  • Deficit-increasing budget passed by GOP-majority Congress + signed by Trump = "both parties own this fiasco".

This is the hypocrisy I was referring to. People on this board blamed solely Obama and the Democrats for increasing the national debt, regardless on whether or not it was voted for by GOP congressmen too. But, now that the GOP is in the majority of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden it's a bipartisan fiasco when the national deficit increasing bill is passed. You can't have it both ways. Deficit spending is either bad regardless of the party affiliation of those who voted for it, or it is not.

7 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

I read WITH comprehension.

Obviously you can’t.

Obviously, YOU can't.

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On 2/9/2018 at 11:17 PM, jbluhm86 said:

Welcome to the Trump deficit.

So you’re saying the National deficit went away when Trump took office?

I could’ve swore there was a $20 Trillion deficit waiting for him when he took office.

But, now that the GOP is in the majority of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden it's a bipartisan fiasco when the national deficit increasing bill is passed. 

When both parties contributed to the deficit...yes it IS a bipartisan fiasco.

7 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

You can't have it both ways.

And when both parties contribute to the deficit you naturally blame the one currently in power?

Great logic.

 

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So you’re saying the National deficit went away when Trump took office?

I could’ve swore there was a $20 Trillion deficit waiting for him when he took office.

The Bipartisan Budget Act  increases spending by $386 billion over two years and nearly $1.5 trillion over 10 years. It also suspends the debt ceiling until after the next election. So that is another $2 trillion added to the national deficit, on the GOP's watch. A GOP, btw, who have majorities in both houses of Congress that could've voted no on the bill and killed it, and a GOP President sitting in the Oval Office who could've used his veto power. Neither of these things happened, though, oddly enough.

I could've swore that the GOP used to claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility. I thought that's what the whole Tea Party movement was about.

 

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And when both parties contribute to the deficit you naturally blame the one currently in power?

Great logic.

It was good enough logic for you and other hardcore right-wingers when Obama was in office, so why change your rationality now?

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3 observations concerning the two major bills passed after one full year of the Trump presidency.

1. Trump doesn't read and since he doesn't read he is an ignorant man incapable of coming up with his own proposed bills. Hence you heard him on both of these for the Republican congress to come up with those bills for him to sign. Since he doesn't read, he signed them unread but took (and was given by Republicans) full credit for the bills. It's the Republican run Senate that has taken the real leadership role here, but they keep Herr Trump happy by kissing his ring.

2. The tax cut bill (which I agreed with-just not in this form) has major cuts for almost all Americans, but insuring more deficit spending. It has a 7 year built in expiration date. But there is one major catch in it that seems unnoticed by his supporters not in the upper 1% income brackets. All of you have that expiration date. Not so for he upper 1%. Theirs is permanent. Go figure how the populist president managed that coup without a blink. How come I never heard that in any of his campaign promises? He doesn't read but you can bet your butt someone from Senate leadership let him know it was there.

3. This two year budget plan is not a budget at all. It's a debt plan. Especially when combined with the tax cut bill. So much for your conservative "Republican populist". You've been flim-flamed by the Greatest Con Man Ever.

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On 2/9/2018 at 9:53 AM, Canton Dawg said:

So the GOP members are silent while the national deficit ballooned. Just like the libs were quiet when Obozo doubled the deficit. 

I think both parties own this fiasco.

10 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:


It was good enough logic for you and other hardcore right-wingers when Obama was in office, so why change your rationality now?

Who doesn’t have a problem with reading comprehension now?

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28 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

Who doesn’t have a problem with reading comprehension now?

Well, since you asked "who doesn't have a problem with reading comprehension now", I'd say that I can safely include myself in that category. You might have a problem with grammar, though. :D

However, you and the other right-leaning members of this board have yet to provide answers to my questions, so, I will ask them again:

- Why is it that, when deficit-increasing spending bills were passed by bipartisan Congress' during the Obama administration, you and others on here placed the blame solely at the feet of Obama and the Democrats?

- When another deficit-increasing spending bill was passed by a similarly bipartisan Congress' during Trump's administration, you and others on here now, all of a sudden, are willing to call it a bipartisan failure, and both parties are now equally culpable. Why the sudden change in logic?

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34 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

The Bipartisan Budget Act  increases spending by $386 billion over two years and nearly $1.5 trillion over 10 years. It also suspends the debt ceiling until after the next election. So that is another $2 trillion added to the national deficit, on the GOP's watch. A GOP, btw, who have majorities in both houses of Congress that could've voted no on the bill and killed it, and a GOP President sitting in the Oval Office who could've used his veto power. Neither of these things happened, though, oddly enough.

I could've swore that the GOP used to claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility. I thought that's what the whole Tea Party movement was about.

 

It was good enough logic for you and other hardcore right-wingers when Obama was in office, so why change your rationality now?

The establishment Rs were not interested in the Tea Party as they  (tea party) were more like a social movement with a Libertarian bent.

but with a disdain for whacked government like it was then fiscally and now....

  

 

 

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37 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

Well, since you asked "who doesn't have a problem with reading comprehension now", I'd say that I can safely include myself in that category. You might have a problem with grammar, though. :D

However, you and the other right-leaning members of this board have yet to provide answers to my questions, so, I will ask them again:

- Why is it that, when deficit-increasing spending bills were passed by bipartisan Congress' during the Obama administration, you and others on here placed the blame solely at the feet of Obama and the Democrats?

- When another deficit-increasing spending bill was passed by a similarly bipartisan Congress' during Trump's administration, you and others on here now, all of a sudden, are willing to call it a bipartisan failure, and both parties are now equally culpable. Why the sudden change in logic?

During the 2008-2011 timeframe, the Dims had control of all 3 branches of government and went on a spending spree.

They were responsible for Obozo’s contributions of over $6 trillion of the deficit.

Were they responsible for the debt as a whole?...no

They just added on to the $3 plus trillion from GW Bush, so it’s a joint effort.

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27 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

 During the 2008-2011 timeframe, the Dims had control of all 3 branches of government and went on a spending spree.

They were responsible for Obozo’s contributions of over $6 trillion of the deficit.

Were they responsible for the debt as a whole?...no

They just added on to the $3 plus trillion from GW Bush, so it’s a joint effort.

So I suppose the GOP "yea" votes on those appropriation bills which fueled the democrat's "spending spree" are to be discounted and the blame solely placed on the Democrats, then? You seem to be proving my point. GOP representation in those bills might not have been as numerous as the Democratic ones, but it was still there. Yet you were quick to say it was a democratic spending spree and that Obama and the Dems added $6t to the debt. It seems that only when YOUR party is in charge and in the majority of government that equally shitty and debt increasing spending bills can be labeled as a bipartisan effort and a failure of both parties. 

Again, this debate we're having here uses the logic that you, Cal, and other right-wingers applied during the Obama administration. Now that the proverbial shoe is on the other foot, you suddenly want to change the rules of the game.

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6 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

So I suppose the GOP "yea" votes on those appropriation bills which fueled the democrat's "spending spree" are to be discounted and the blame solely placed on the Democrats, then? You seem to be proving my point. GOP representation in those bills might not have been as numerous as the Democratic ones, but it was still there. Yet you were quick to say it was a democratic spending spree and that Obama and the Dems added $6t to the debt. It seems that only when YOUR party is in charge and in the majority of government that equally shitty and debt increasing spending bills can be labeled as a bipartisan effort and a failure of both parties. 

Again, this debate we're having here uses the logic that you, Cal, and other right-wingers applied during the Obama administration. Now that the proverbial shoe is on the other foot, you suddenly want to change the rules of the game.

No, the deficit is an accumulation of overspending by both parties.

Really not that difficult to comprehend.

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11 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

No, the deficit is an accumulation of overspending by both parties.

Really not that difficult to comprehend.

You say that, yet you still appear to be of two minds. The $2 trillion added days ago is a bipartisan failure, according to you, but debt-increasing appropriation bills and debt ceiling increases approved by both parties in Congress during Obama's tenure are still Obama's debt "contributions" and Democratic "spending sprees". How do you explain your cognitive dissonance on that? 

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21 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

You say that, yet you still appear to be of two minds. The $2 trillion added days ago is a bipartisan failure, according to you, but debt-increasing appropriation bills and debt ceiling increases approved by both parties in Congress during Obama's tenure are still Obama's debt "contributions" and Democratic "spending sprees". How do you explain your cognitive dissonance on that? 

Simple, during Trump’s tenure as POTUS any increase in the deficit will be attributed to him (even though democratic congressmen voted for the budget).

Same thing for Obozo, he contributed the most to the deficit, albeit there were some GOP congressmen that approved of his budget (if he had a budget).

Therefore the ever burgeoning deficits of our nation are a culmination of BOTH parties.

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26 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said:

So I suppose the GOP "yea" votes on those appropriation bills which fueled the democrat's "spending spree" are to be discounted and the blame solely placed on the Democrats, then? You seem to be proving my point. GOP representation in those bills might not have been as numerous as the Democratic ones, but it was still there. Yet you were quick to say it was a democratic spending spree and that Obama and the Dems added $6t to the debt. It seems that only when YOUR party is in charge and in the majority of government that equally shitty and debt increasing spending bills can be labeled as a bipartisan effort and a failure of both parties. 

Again, this debate we're having here uses the logic that you, Cal, and other right-wingers applied during the Obama administration. Now that the proverbial shoe is on the other foot, you suddenly want to change the rules of the game.

not really. Our military is in trouble - it's the smallest since pre-WWII. The dems get control - and start cutting the military projects and funding etc, to have more money for buying indigents' votes with free stuff programs. Then the reps get control, and they have to build the military back up again.

Military readiness was undermined by Obama experiments ...

Jul 23, 2017 - The Trump administration came to power with a clear mandate to restore U.S. military credibility, effectiveness, and capabilities. Such a mandate involves reversing not only the debilitating impact of sequestration on our declining military force structure, but also the Obama administration's social ...

 

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the dems are locked into to welfare spending, and those on welfare are locked into voting for the dems.it's so much of their base.

That is why they demand that millions of illegals keep flooding into our country, and they become citizens - and ignore all the gang members, drug cartel members, etc.

But note - obaMao and holder fought in the courts to kick that terrific educated German couple OUR OF OUR COUNTRYwhen all they wanted to do was to come here, have jobs and home school their children.

Welfare spending jumps 32% during Obama's presidency ...

Oct 18, 2012 - Federal welfare spending has grown by 32 percent over the past four years, fattened by President Obama’s stimulus spending and swelled by a growing number of Americans whose recession-depleted incomes now qualify them for public assistance, according to numbers released ...
Jan 20, 2017 - (CNSNews.com) - Barack Obama was the first president of the United States to spend more on “means-tested entitlements”—AKA welfare—than on national defense, according to data ..... Poverty has also sky rocketed since the nineties alone with raising the real cost of the total welfare program costs.

Means-tested welfare spending or aid to the poor consists of government programs that provide assistance deliberately and exclusively to poor and lower-income people. By contrast, non-welfare programs provide benefits and services for the general population. For example, food stamps, public housing, Medicaid, and ...

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FT_17.04.03_budget_640px.png

so, the dems want to give the millions of illegals SS, MEDICARE, and Health benefits

also note: special ed kids can sign up for SS right after HS. There are kids all over that try to be classified as

special ed for that reason. School psychologists have to determine whether or not they are really learning disabled.

also note - so many young women have children out of wedlock to qualify for permanent federal living assistance.

so, adding millions of illegals to the mix - guess what happens? CLOWARD-PIVEN.

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22 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

 Simple, during Trump’s tenure as POTUS any increase in the deficit will be attributed to him (even though democratic congressmen voted for the budget).

Same thing for Obozo, he contributed the most to the deficit, albeit there were some GOP congressmen that approved of his budget (if he had a budget).

Therefore the ever burgeoning deficits of our nation are a culmination of BOTH parties.

Again, we're playing the blame game using the rules you and others on the right set up during the Obama years. Bipartisan spending bills weren't labeled as such by you and others back then, they were called "Obama's debt" or "Democrat's" deficit spending. So, by those rules, this is now Trump's and the GOP's deficit. It's too late to to change the rules when it's your team in charge. Welcome to the Trump deficit.

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how the hell can the gigantic failure deficit BOONDOGGLE be considered a bipartisan bill?

What was the vote on ObamaCare in 2010?
In December 2009, the U.S. Senate voted 60 to 39 for Obamacare. The Washington Post reported “The Senate bill passed without a single GOP vote.” In March 2010, the U.S. House voted 219 to 212 for Obamacare. 34 House Democrats and all of the House Republicans voted against Obamacare.Nov 20, 2013
 
Seriously. and you libs defended obamaocare to the end.

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Thanks To Obamacare, Government Debt Is Worse Than You Think

Nov 2, 2016 - As I have shown in a few of my own recent letters, the on-budget deficit would balloon to $1.3 trillion in a recession, easily pushing the increase in debt to $2 trillion per year. That total of $33 ... Within a few years that could add $200 billion to the deficit unless we figure out how to control healthcare costs.

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CBO Projections Indicate Obamacare Will Raise Deficits by $131 Billion

www.weeklystandard.com/cbo-projections-indicate-obamacare...deficits.../816288
 

Analysis of Congressional Budget Office projections by the Senate Budget Committee finds that Obamacare will increase the deficit by more than $100 billion over ... coverage provisions — namely, the tax on “Cadillac plans” and the fines for those who violate the individual or employer mandates — are instead included in .

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