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Republican Congress Authorizes Trillion-Dollar Deficit

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"I hope all of you who were fighting for fiscal conservative principles realize what this means, not just today, but in the long run. You can forget about ever wagging your fingers at the Democrats on spending from here on out. That ship has sailed. The next time the GOP loses control of Congress and the White House (and that day is coming sooner or later, believe me), don’t bother yelling about what they’re going to do to the national debt. That particular tool is gone from our arsenal. The GOP has finally been exposed as a group of limacine charlatans who talk a good game on fiscal probity but are unable to walk the walk." - Jazz Shaw, HotAir.com

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So the GOP members are silent while the national deficit ballooned. Just like the libs were quiet when Obozo doubled the deficit. 

I think both parties own this fiasco.

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Yes you are probably correct JB and Canton.

As for the opposition when a deal doesn't get done you spew the bile that Trump is not a negotiator. And then pretend yoy want negotiation, which you don't. At any rate it's the same as always if I may quote Paul Simon "laugh about it, shout about it when you have to choose, anyway you look at it you lose"

Democracy is like student council which gives the kids the false sense that the administration gives a rat's asss what they want.

WSS

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this deficit could kill our country. I suppose the only hope is that the economy booms so much we can actually pay it off eventually.we could end up broke with skyrocketing inflation that even higher interest rates can't stop.

why the heyl did there have to be MORE social spending? for the freaking illegals and next gen of loser dependents.More money for the military was just held hostage. I still blame the dems far more. Buy more ammo, put more food storage away... just seems like this country will crash under this deficit.

   I hated economics back in the day - not my interest for sure. I think we need to make our gov smaller, cut some major fed depts, and take all our money out of the UN, etc etc etc. I just don't get it.

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Of course if they had held firm and let the government closed, like I think they probably should, JB and the rest of the lefties would be positively catatonic.

WSS

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13 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

So the GOP members are silent while the national deficit ballooned. Just like the libs were quiet when Obozo doubled the deficit. 

I think both parties own this fiasco.

No sir. It's too late to play the "bipartisan fiasco" card now.

 I sat here for years listening to people on this board b.itch about how the deficit was growing under Obama, how it was Obama's debt, etc.

Now, a Republican-majority Congress passed this albatross of a spending bill when - if they actually stuck to their supposed principles of fiscal conservatism - they had enough numbers to veto this bill, and it was signed by a Republican President. By the same logic everyone on the right was espousing during the Obama administration, this falls squarely on the GOP and Trump; its their debt now. Welcome to the Trump deficit.

11 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

this deficit could kill our country. I suppose the only hope is that the economy booms so much we can actually pay it off eventually.we could end up broke with skyrocketing inflation that even higher interest rates can't stop.

why the heyl did there have to be MORE social spending? for the freaking illegals and next gen of loser dependents.More money for the military was just held hostage. I still blame the dems far more. Buy more ammo, put more food storage away... just seems like this country will crash under this deficit.

   I hated economics back in the day - not my interest for sure. I think we need to make our gov smaller, cut some major fed depts, and take all our money out of the UN, etc etc etc. I just don't get it.

Nearly half of the annual federal spending is for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid., more than annual spending on defense.  Social Security is facing future shortfalls worth more than $24.9 trillion, Medicare faces unfunded liabilities approaching $48 trillion. But, are you and others of your generation willing to get less money in your check at the end of the month in order to reduce the deficit?

 

8 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Of course if they had held firm and let the government closed, like I think they probably should, JB and the rest of the lefties would be positively catatonic.

WSS

Actually, I would've been pretty sanguine about it. Maybe with their backs to the wall, Congress would've actually had to work on a real budget for a change.

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3 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

No sir. It's too late to play the "bipartisan fiasco" card now.

 I sat here for years listening to people on this board b.itch about how the deficit was growing under Obama, how it was Obama's debt, etc.

Now, a Republican-majority Congress passed this albatross of a spending bill when - if they actually stuck to their supposed principles of fiscal conservatism - they had enough numbers to veto this bill, and it was signed by a Republican President. By the same logic everyone on the right was espousing during the Obama administration, this falls squarely on the GOP and Trump; its their debt now. Welcome to the Trump deficit.

Nearly half of the annual federal spending is for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid., more than annual spending on defense.  Social Security is facing future shortfalls worth more than $24.9 trillion, Medicare faces unfunded liabilities approaching $48 trillion. But, are you and others of your generation willing to get less money in your check at the end of the month in order to reduce the deficit?

 

Actually, I would've been pretty sanguine about it. Maybe with their backs to the wall, Congress would've actually had to work on a real budget for a change.

 

Your right to point out the reps spend too much money, no doubts.  It's just not acceptable to me either.  BUT there is a difference.  The majority of the tax money paid by the middle class comes from rep voters (https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-republicans/) and at least they get something in return this time around.  Certainly not much, but it's at least better than the absence they endured during Obama's tenure.

If I want to start a business with a group of people and bring 60% of the capital to the negotiating table, then I run Sheet.  Doesn't matter if I have 2 partners or 200, anything less would be underrepresentation.  I'm not saying that's how a democracy works, but rather I'm saying that's why the average rep will find it slightly more palatable this time.  It's only hypocrisy if the payee cries foul.

Like you, I wish they could have waited for something better.  I find it hard to fathom the dems had nothing to do with this monstrosity, but ok....it's the reps fault.  Now that someone said it, can you stop defending Obama from much needed and deserved criticism?  I mean really, what was the Obama economic plan?

As far as social security goes, it has a few things working against it. 1: Highest unemployment rate ever for 18-24 year olds becuse they're borrowing money to go to college. 2: People live longer from all the expensive drugs and surgeries afforded to them.  I see a pretty easy fix when you want to have that talk.

 

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10 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

No sir. It's too late to play the "bipartisan fiasco" card now.

 I sat here for years listening to people on this board b.itch about how the deficit was growing under Obama, how it was Obama's debt, etc.

Now, a Republican-majority Congress passed this albatross of a spending bill when - if they actually stuck to their supposed principles of fiscal conservatism - they had enough numbers to veto this bill, and it was signed by a Republican President. By the same logic everyone on the right was espousing during the Obama administration, this falls squarely on the GOP and Trump; its their debt now. Welcome to the Trump deficit.

Nearly half of the annual federal spending is for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid., more than annual spending on defense.  Social Security is facing future shortfalls worth more than $24.9 trillion, Medicare faces unfunded liabilities approaching $48 trillion. But, are you and others of your generation willing to get less money in your check at the end of the month in order to reduce the deficit?

 

Actually, I would've been pretty sanguine about it. Maybe with their backs to the wall, Congress would've actually had to work on a real budget for a change.

So you find the Dims blameless in the National deficit?

Hike up your skirt, your hypocrisy is showing.

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4 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

So you find the Dims blameless in the National deficit?

Hike up your skirt, your hypocrisy is showing.

Don't read or just dense? 

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But...............but....................but..........................Trump said he had a plan.................didn't he? :rolleyes:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL!

Fools you are to believe a damn thing he says. The man can't even read let alone come up with anything concrete on paper. :lol:

33 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Don't read or just dense? 

 

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1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

Don't read or just dense? 

I read WITH comprehension.

Obviously you can’t.

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1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

But...............but....................but..........................Trump said he had a plan.................didn't he? :rolleyes:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL!

Fools you are to believe a damn thing he says. The man can't even read let alone come up with anything concrete on paper. :lol:

 

AG, remember “if you like your plan...you can keep your plan, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”?

Obozo also said your max out of pocket deductible will not exceed $2500.

Good old Barry, he really thought he knew healthcare...but he didn’t.

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1 hour ago, Canton Dawg said:

I read WITH comprehension.

Obviously you can’t.

Not seeing the evidence here.  

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But you are biased for the dems, so...

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1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

Not seeing the evidence here.  

Doesn’t surprise me.

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3 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Look at what happened under Trump

 

 

"BUT OBAMAO!!?!?!!!!!!"

Classic deflection by retro fitting.:lol:

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and yet, it's only the non-dems who have been upset with the deficit all along.

Bush's deficit was "Unpatriotic"....

but the deficit was just FINE with them during the eight obamao years.

now, they hate the defiicit. It comes and goes, depending on the political advantage

they think they can glean from their posturing.;

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2 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

and yet, it's only the non-dems who have been upset with the deficit all along.

Bush's deficit was "Unpatriotic"....

but the deficit was just FINE with them during the eight obamao years.

now, they hate the defiicit. It comes and goes, depending on the political advantage

they think they can glean from their posturing.;

Do you hate the proposed deficit under Trump?

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yes, I hate it. On principle - we are headed towards disaster. The deficit is going to crush our economy.

The bigger straw that will break the back of all of us - is the plan to give citizenship to illegals. As in, they can

sign up for welfare then, social security, etc etc etc. And they will predominantly vote democratic/socialist free stuff.

Even a lot of the legal immigrant community knows that would be a disaster. Read up on Cloward-Piven. and remember that

"never let a crisis go to waste"

Rahm Emmanuel, formerly of the obaMao regime, now mayor of Chicago - said that. But he didn't invent the saying.

I worry that the fed raising interest rates and lowering interest rates won't be able to stem the tide of economic disaster possibility due to the serious repercussions of way, way, way too much debt to ever be paid back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

" By fall 1922, Germany found itself unable to make reparations payments.[15] The mark was by now practically worthless, making it impossible for Germany to buy foreign exchange or gold using paper marks. Instead, reparations were to be paid in goods such as coal. In January 1923, French and Belgian troops occupied the industrial region of Germany in the Ruhr valley to ensure reparations payments. Inflation was exacerbated when workers in the Ruhr went on a general strike and the German government printed more money to continue paying for their passive resistance.[16] By November 1923, the US dollar was worth 4,210,500,000,000 German marks.[17] "

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14 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

So you find the Dims blameless in the National deficit?

Hike up your skirt, your hypocrisy is showing.

Of course I don't find democrats blameless in the national deficit; they voted to approve this bill too. That wasn't the point I was making. I was making a point that apparently went above your head, so let me make it easier for you:

GOP/Right Wing opinions:

  • Deficit-increasing budget passed by Democrat majority Congress + signed by Obama = "Obamao"s fault, Democrats' fault, etc...
  • Deficit-increasing budget passed by GOP/Democrat bipartisan Congress + signed by Obama = "Obamao"s fault, Democrats' fault, etc...
  • Deficit-increasing budget passed by GOP-majority Congress + signed by Trump = "both parties own this fiasco".

This is the hypocrisy I was referring to. People on this board blamed solely Obama and the Democrats for increasing the national debt, regardless on whether or not it was voted for by GOP congressmen too. But, now that the GOP is in the majority of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden it's a bipartisan fiasco when the national deficit increasing bill is passed. You can't have it both ways. Deficit spending is either bad regardless of the party affiliation of those who voted for it, or it is not.

7 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

I read WITH comprehension.

Obviously you can’t.

Obviously, YOU can't.

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On 2/9/2018 at 11:17 PM, jbluhm86 said:

Welcome to the Trump deficit.

So you’re saying the National deficit went away when Trump took office?

I could’ve swore there was a $20 Trillion deficit waiting for him when he took office.

But, now that the GOP is in the majority of both houses of Congress and the Presidency and the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden it's a bipartisan fiasco when the national deficit increasing bill is passed. 

When both parties contributed to the deficit...yes it IS a bipartisan fiasco.

7 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

You can't have it both ways.

And when both parties contribute to the deficit you naturally blame the one currently in power?

Great logic.

 

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