Saquon Barkley Combine Bound

[PoeticG]

Here, maybe this will help you out, so you know what we're talking about. http://speedendurance.com/2008/06/25/fastest-times-for-the-40-yard-dash-and-the-3-cone-drill/

* Vertical Jump – designed to test leg strength and lower-body explosiveness.

* Broad Jump – designed to show sluggishness, heavy-leggedness and lack of explosiveness.

* 225-lb. Bench Press – designed to test the upper-body strength of a player.

* 40-Yard Dash – times show how explosive a player is off the line and how he maintains it.

* 20-Yard Dash – times show how explosive a player is off the line and how he maintains it.

* 10-Yard Dash – times show how explosive a player is off the line.

* 20-Yard Shuttle – designed to test explosiveness, how a player bends and changes direction, and body control.

* 60-Yard Shuttle – designed to test explosiveness, flexibility, and body control; and a subtle test of endurance.

* 3-Cone Drill – designed to test a player’s efficiency in changing direction moving left and right, explosiveness, balance, body control and mobility.

The most important skills to master are the 40-yard dash and the 3-Cone drill. The reason these two drills are so important is they help football coaches determine what positions you are best suited to play.

You should know that the speed players are completing these drills has been improving every year. This is because more and more high school and college players are working with professional sports trainers to help them maximize their performance.

Below I have listed the minimum times you need to have by position if you want to impress college football scouts. One thing to keep in mind for these tests is the size of the player. Smaller players should have an advantage over their bigger counterparts in regard to speed. If you are a big player, it says a lot about your athletic ability if you perform well in these drills.

40-Yard Dash:

QB: 4.7 seconds or faster
RB: 4.5 seconds or faster
WR: 4.4 seconds or faster
FB/TE: 4.7 seconds or faster
OL: 5.2 seconds or faster
DT: 5.1 seconds or faster
4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB: 4.8 seconds or faster
4-3 OLB: 4.7 seconds or faster
ILB: 4.7 seconds or faster
S: 4.5 seconds or faster
CB: 4.5 seconds or faster

3-Cone Drill:

QB: 7.1 seconds or faster
RB: 7.1 seconds or faster
WR: 7.0 seconds or faster
FB/TE: 7.2 seconds or faster
OL: 7.8 seconds or faster
DT: 7.7 seconds or faster
4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB: 7.2 seconds or faster
4-3 OLB: 7.1 seconds or faster
ILB: 7.2 seconds or faster
S: 7.1 seconds or faster
CB: 7.0 seconds or faster

In summary, to become a professional football player, you must master the skills colleges and NFL teams use to measure the quality of an athlete. If you want to make it to the NFL, you should work with a professional sports trainer to help you maximize your performance so you can achieve and exceed the drill speed times discussed above. Other athletes are doing this and for you to compete with them, you need to do it too.

Martin Chase is a retired NFL player who has played with the Giants, the Saints, the Redskins, the Ravens, and the Jaguars. Martin now owns and manages a popular sports memorabilia website – www.mcsportsfan.com.

[Dutch Oven]

10 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

Put on your big boy pants 

Were you imagining my big boy pants off?

You dirty, dirty boy! 

[gumby73]

2 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

What about Crowell?

Crow packed his locker, while Hue ran the cops (up the middle of course) to Crows home evacuation..  

[PoeticG]

58 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

Were you imagining my big boy pants off?

You dirty, dirty boy! 

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2018/02/12/cleveland-browns-top-5-running-back-targets-2018-nfl-draft/

 

 

[hoorta]

Po's not aware of the term "Workout Warrior". Barkley's Combine numbers will only be part of the equation.   

[PoeticG]

I know the term, but that's not Sasa. 

What you have with Barkley is when talent and preparation meet opportunity.

This kid knows that he has God given talent and he's put that to work, becoming the strongest-fastest version of himself.

A truly amazing kid both on and off the field. A relentless worker, a leader and a tremendous role model.

You can find other runningbacks later in the draft, but you aren't going to find another Saquon. 

What we need is for him to bring his talents to NorthBeach. 

...If we draft him, they will come... 

 

 

 

[Dutch Oven]

32 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

I know the term, but that's not Sasa. 

What you have with Barkley is when talent and preparation meet opportunity.

This kid knows that he has God given talent and he's put that to work, becoming the strongest-fastest version of himself.

A truly amazing kid both on and off the field. A relentless worker, a leader and a tremendous role model.

You can find other runningbacks later in the draft, but you aren't going to find another Saquon. 

What we need is for him to bring his talents to NorthBeach. 

...If we draft him, they will come... 

 

[Gunz41]

1 hour ago, PoeticG said:

I know the term, but that's not Sasa. 

What you have with Barkley is when talent and preparation meet opportunity.

This kid knows that he has God given talent and he's put that to work, becoming the strongest-fastest version of himself.

A truly amazing kid both on and off the field. A relentless worker, a leader and a tremendous role model.

You can find other runningbacks later in the draft, but you aren't going to find another Saquon. 

What we need is for him to bring his talents to NorthBeach. 

...If we draft him, they will come... 

 

 

 

Now Po, we have talked about this. You are talking someone up too much again. There is s difference in hand timed vs electronic. And unless you are Saquon or someone incredibly close to him, you can't truly say he is truly amazing off the field.

That's what everyone said and thought about a Mr. Tiger Woods a while back.

Curb your excitement and praise for AFTER the kid has proven something. 

[RoyceRolls]

In the past 15 years (probably more) there has only been one first round RB on a super bowl winning team. That RB is Marshawn Lynch, and he wasn’t drafted by the team he won a Super Bowl with. 

Transversely, in that time, there have been multiple teams that won a Super Bowl by starting undrafted RBs. Some teams even had a RBBC with multiple undrafted RBs. The saints did it with Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell.  The Steelers won two with undrafted Willie Parker, the Colts won with undrafted Dominic Rhodes, the Eagles won with a pair of undrafted guys; Blount and Clement, and a fifth rounder that they didn’t draft. The giants won two superbowls, once with a 4th rounder (Jacobs) and once with a 7th rounder (Bradshaw).

there are kids in college who have spent their entire lives living in a world where championship winning teams used throw away picks or no picks at all to secure their RB.  Using the best pick in the draft on a position that is far and away the easiest to fill is the kind of move that truck drivers and cashiers make. Football professionals don’t do that, and the ones who spend premium picks on the position are almost always shown up by mid round selections. For every Zeke there’s a David Johnson, for every Fournette there’s a Kamara, for every McCaffery there’s a Kareem Hunt...

The best RB in a decade isn’t worth 1/4 of what the best QB in a 2 year span is.  You can spend the day at Cedar Point and walk past at least 30 guys who could RB for a Super Bowl winning team, how many times have you walked past Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? 

 

[SD_Tom]

3 hours ago, PoeticG said:

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2018/02/12/cleveland-browns-top-5-running-back-targets-2018-nfl-draft/

 

 

How can any RB list for this draft not have Rashaad Penny on it?  Seriously. 

[tiamat63]

On 2/11/2018 at 11:34 PM, RoyceRolls said:

I’d love for the Giants or Colts to draft Saquon.  If Barkley is one of the 2 picks between browns selections, odds are good that we’ll have Bradley Chubb waiting at #4

Gmen still have nightmares from their last 1st round RB pick and that wasn't a top 5 selection.

Orlando Brown will most likely arrive in NY Blue...     especially with them committing to Eli. 

[Gunz41]

52 minutes ago, RoyceRolls said:

In the past 15 years (probably more) there has only been one first round RB on a super bowl winning team. That RB is Marshawn Lynch, and he wasn’t drafted by the team he won a Super Bowl with. 

Transversely, in that time, there have been multiple teams that won a Super Bowl by starting undrafted RBs. Some teams even had a RBBC with multiple undrafted RBs. The saints did it with Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell.  The Steelers won two with undrafted Willie Parker, the Colts won with undrafted Dominic Rhodes, the Eagles won with a pair of undrafted guys; Blount and Clement, and a fifth rounder that they didn’t draft. The giants won two superbowls, once with a 4th rounder (Jacobs) and once with a 7th rounder (Bradshaw).

there are kids in college who have spent their entire lives living in a world where championship winning teams used throw away picks or no picks at all to secure their RB.  Using the best pick in the draft on a position that is far and away the easiest to fill is the kind of move that truck drivers and cashiers make. Football professionals don’t do that, and the ones who spend premium picks on the position are almost always shown up by mid round selections. For every Zeke there’s a David Johnson, for every Fournette there’s a Kamara, for every McCaffery there’s a Kareem Hunt...

The best RB in a decade isn’t worth 1/4 of what the best QB in a 2 year span is.  You can spend the day at Cedar Point and walk past at least 30 guys who could RB for a Super Bowl winning team, how many times have you walked past Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? 

 

While I agree with your point, you are wrong on no 1st rounders have won a Super Bowl. 

2000- Super Bowl XXXIV: Marshall Faulk

2006- Super Bowl XL: Jerome Bettis 

2007- Super Bowl XLI: Joseph Addai 

2010- Super Bowl XLIV: Reggie Bush

2014- Super Bowl XLVIII: Marshawn Lynch ( you mentioned)

So, in this millennium, there has been 5 in 19 years. So about 26%.

And even though I agree with what you are trying to say, you got it wrong. And since 2000, 1st round QB

2006- Super Bowl XL: Big Ben

2007- Super Bowl XLI: Peyton Manning

2008- Super Bowl XLII: Eli Manning

2009- Super Bowl XLIII: Big Ben

2011- Super Bowl XLV: Aaron Rodgers

2012- Super Bowl XLVI: Eli Manning

2013- Super Bowl XLVII: Joe Flacco

2016- Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning

2018- Super Bowl LII: Carson Wentz

So in this millennium, there has been 9 in 19 years, or about 47%.

So yes QB is more important, the most important position, and it is certainly better to get a RB later as opposed to QB, but this millennium more that 50% of Super Bowl winning QB weren't 1st rounders.

I like your premise, but don't put incorrect facts to present your case

 

[RoyceRolls]

Oops, I forgot to say Starting RBs as the source I was using only listed the starters. But the fact that first rounder Addai was outperformed by undrafted Rhodes still works for the argument. Faulk doesn’t count because I said 15 years.  Bettis wasn’t the starter and signifies the changing of the guard. By the time he won a Super Bowl he was just a fat butt figure head who fell down into the end zone sometimes. Averaged about 40 yds/game in the playoffs in 2005. Did pretty well pulling off the type 2 shuffle for a few TDs though. Reggie Bush is a great example of when taking a first round QB goes wrong....At any rate, how many undrafted QBs have won a super bowl? Warner is the only one I can think of. 

Edit: or maybe a better question is how many times does a first round QB back up an undrafted QB?

[boo fagley]

10 hours ago, PoeticG said:

Duke could move to the slot actually. You might need to give Barkley a breather here and there but nothing like Crowell and Johnson do now. 

You're not going to want to take Barkley out of the game. He's either getting the ball, creating a distraction to help his teammates get the ball or he's helping to protect the Quarterback.

Exactly, which means Crowell is sitting on the bench. Its seemed like the Browns were moving on from Crowell this past season. I thought that he was hurt too, but not really sure..Looks like the Browns will let him test the market and come back with an offer to match. If Dorsey does not resign him its a given that Barkley is the 1 pick and 4 the QB pick.

[boo fagley]

10 hours ago, gumby73 said:

Crow packed his locker, while Hue ran the cops (up the middle of course) to Crows home evacuation..  

Have you heard anything about a new contract?

[Dutch Oven]

2 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

Exactly, which means Crowell is sitting on the bench. Its seemed like the Browns were moving on from Crowell this past season. I thought that he was hurt too, but not really sure..Looks like the Browns will let him test the market and come back with an offer to match. If Dorsey does not resign him its a given that Barkley is the 1 pick and 4 the QB pick.

Because Crowell is not coming back it's a given that Barkley is the #1 pick?

That's some interesting logic, there. 

[gumby73]

59 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

Have you heard anything about a new contract?

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents   Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.  

[TexasAg1969]

48 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents   Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.  

There are several RBs in this draft better than the Blind Crow. 2nd round will be just fine for the Browns to get one too.

[boo fagley]

1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said:

Because Crowell is not coming back it's a given that Barkley is the #1 pick?

That's some interesting logic, there. 

Because the Giants and Colts dont need a QB right now unless he is in later rounds. If NY or INDY went QB, they then have to pay the guy top 10 money while creating a QB controversy that nobody wants.

Barkley # 1, 2nd Giants ,3rd Colts,  Browns QB at # 4. Leaving Barkley exposed is too risky because all you hear is that all Manning and Luck need is talent around them to succeed.

[boo fagley]

1 hour ago, gumby73 said:

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/7/16986826/list-of-the-cleveland-browns-free-agents   Crow starts over with contract with Dorsey. A guy that points at improving talent, Spottrac values Crow about 5.6M/year.(saints M.Ingram $) New eyes of New RB coach & Todd Haley at OC can't hurt talent evaluations. Can't see us now winning a matching deal now? (never do)imo Crow & agent won't see the money they are looking either.  

Crazy that Gordon is only a ERFA.

Seems like hes been around forever.

[Gunz41]

1 hour ago, boo fagley said:

Because the Giants and Colts dont need a QB right now unless he is in later rounds. If NY or INDY went QB, they then have to pay the guy top 10 money while creating a QB controversy that nobody wants.

Barkley # 1, 2nd Giants ,3rd Colts,  Browns QB at # 4. Leaving Barkley exposed is too risky because all you hear is that all Manning and Luck need is talent around them to succeed.

But you aren't factoring in a lot of things my man. One is trades. Both teams could easily trade the picks. And 2nd- especially NY they have an old QB and need to start thinking of the future. No organization thinks about the upcoming year when they draft, but the future. So yes, while Eli will be starter next year, he isn't the future there. And this past season was an abboration for the Giants. They won't be this high again to draft a top QB. 

It's why the Giants got Eli to begin with. They only had a HOF QB playing, but they got Eli for the future. It's why Patriots had Jimmy G. And if Bill had his way, he would still be there. 

I'm certainly not one that thinks Luck is great, but when healthy he has produced pretty good. But that team has A LOT of holes. So trading gives them more assets.

And not to mention that it is a lot easier to find a lot of production from later picks at RB as opposed to QB. And RB dont last nearly as long as QB, and that is taking your boy Brady out. A lot of the top QB's are in 30s and RB are done being elite by 30.

In conclusion, it's not as black and white as Giants and Colts dont "need" a quaterback

[Gunz41]

9 hours ago, RoyceRolls said:

Oops, I forgot to say Starting RBs as the source I was using only listed the starters. But the fact that first rounder Addai was outperformed by undrafted Rhodes still works for the argument. Faulk doesn’t count because I said 15 years.  Bettis wasn’t the starter and signifies the changing of the guard. By the time he won a Super Bowl he was just a fat butt figure head who fell down into the end zone sometimes. Averaged about 40 yds/game in the playoffs in 2005. Did pretty well pulling off the type 2 shuffle for a few TDs though. Reggie Bush is a great example of when taking a first round QB goes wrong....At any rate, how many undrafted QBs have won a super bowl? Warner is the only one I can think of. 

Edit: or maybe a better question is how many times does a first round QB back up an undrafted QB?

It's easy to use one stat to prove a point, but you have to use multiple things to get a food view. Just use last 19 years, using ONE stat would certainly tell you that your best odds is with a 6th round QB.

See how that looks? So saying Bush is a good example, well he did win a Super Bowl, and there are MANY examples of how taking a QB in the 1st is wrong.

There is no sure first pick, position, etc.

And the other thing that just doesn't work is saying Addai was outperformed so it works with your argument. There has been many a time a Super Bowl winning QB was outperformed by his counterpart. That had nothing to do with where he was drafted, but how he performed a certain day some, and even more because it's a TEAM game

[gumby73]

2 hours ago, boo fagley said:

Crazy that Gordon is only a ERFA.

Seems like hes been around forever.

Caught my eye too.Seems wrong from read. Josh was subliminal draft? not sure where round 2 pick fits? Work. Check later

[Mark O]

10 hours ago, SD_Tom said:

How can any RB list for this draft not have Rashaad Penny on it?  Seriously. 

Because you and I are the only 2 who have actually seen him play.

[boo fagley]

15 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

But you aren't factoring in a lot of things my man. One is trades. Both teams could easily trade the picks. And 2nd- especially NY they have an old QB and need to start thinking of the future. No organization thinks about the upcoming year when they draft, but the future. So yes, while Eli will be starter next year, he isn't the future there. And this past season was an abboration for the Giants. They won't be this high again to draft a top QB. 

It's why the Giants got Eli to begin with. They only had a HOF QB playing, but they got Eli for the future. It's why Patriots had Jimmy G. And if Bill had his way, he would still be there. 

I'm certainly not one that thinks Luck is great, but when healthy he has produced pretty good. But that team has A LOT of holes. So trading gives them more assets.

And not to mention that it is a lot easier to find a lot of production from later picks at RB as opposed to QB. And RB dont last nearly as long as QB, and that is taking your boy Brady out. A lot of the top QB's are in 30s and RB are done being elite by 30.

In conclusion, it's not as black and white as Giants and Colts dont "need" a quaterback

All solid points and thank you for the civil explanation.

Regarding the Giants. They were terrible running the ball last season http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff  NY is a win now franchise and youre right Eli is getting up in years. He just turned 37. Not many years are left. On draft day, Barkley is there at 2 who can help you today or a QB who is not going to play unless Eli goes down. It is very rare that NY is in this position drafting this high. But why would they trade down and how far down?

I think if Barkley is there at 2 the Giants take him and if he is gone they trade down with Denver, or NYJ who need a QB.

Im not a Luck fan either, but a common excuse why he does not succeed is the talent around him.

[Gunz41]

36 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

All solid points and thank you for the civil explanation.

Regarding the Giants. They were terrible running the ball last season http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff  NY is a win now franchise and youre right Eli is getting up in years. He just turned 37. Not many years are left. On draft day, Barkley is there at 2 who can help you today or a QB who is not going to play unless Eli goes down. It is very rare that NY is in this position drafting this high. But why would they trade down and how far down?

I think if Barkley is there at 2 the Giants take him and if he is gone they trade down with Denver, or NYJ who need a QB.

Im not a Luck fan either, but a common excuse why he does not succeed is the talent around him.

NY won't trade down, they will take the heir apparent to Eli. They know just like everyone that they can get a good RB later. Maybe a Sony Michel in 2nd

Indy if given the opportunity, will trade to get extra picks to make them better. If I were Indy, the only 2 things I consider are OL to protect Luck, and defense

[Gunz41]

53 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

Caught my eye too.Seems wrong from read. Josh was subliminal draft? not sure where round 2 pick fits? Work. Check later

It's because of the time he missed. Even this past season doesn't count as a year by standards

[SD_Tom]

5 hours ago, Mark O said:

Because you and I are the only 2 who have actually seen him play.

LOL Apparently so.  But after the Sr Bowl, and the bowl game against Army, how could anyone not be a fan?

They guy had over 2200 yds. I don't care what conference or division it's in. If it was easy, everyone would do it. 

[RoyceRolls]

6 hours ago, Gunz41 said:

It's easy to use one stat to prove a point, but you have to use multiple things to get a food view. Just use last 19 years, using ONE stat would certainly tell you that your best odds is with a 6th round QB.

See how that looks? So saying Bush is a good example, well he did win a Super Bowl, and there are MANY examples of how taking a QB in the 1st is wrong.

There is no sure first pick, position, etc.

And the other thing that just doesn't work is saying Addai was outperformed so it works with your argument. There has been many a time a Super Bowl winning QB was outperformed by his counterpart. That had nothing to do with where he was drafted, but how he performed a certain day some, and even more because it's a TEAM game

Well, the stats are the stats. Undrafted Rhodes had 113 yards and a TD while Addai had 77 yards and no TDs.  They had fairly similar careers as well. Saying that Reggie Bush and his 5 yards won a Super Bowl is like saying Kenny Britt won an AFC title. I understand the points your making about my confirmation bias, but you’re doing the same thing.  The main point is that there are far more examples of teams leaning on undrafted RB production than 1st round RB production, and it isn’t really close. 

the ho-hum 1st round production in contrast with the objectively superior production of the undrafted guys only helps my argument. 

[Mark O]

3 hours ago, SD_Tom said:

LOL Apparently so.  But after the Sr Bowl, and the bowl game against Army, how could anyone not be a fan?

They guy had over 2200 yds. I don't care what conference or division it's in. If it was easy, everyone would do it. 

I agree and while his overall stats are ridiculously impressive even against the Mountain West (kinda like Josh Allen and his 5,000 yards and 75% completion percentage....er...wait..never mind), I prefer to point out Rashaad Pennys stats against Stanford and Arizona State this year:

9/9	@Arizona State	W 30-20	18	216	12.0	95	1	4	38	9.5	33	1
9/16	Stanford	W 20-17	32	175	5.5	36	1	5	31	6.2	13	0

Now that's a dude who knows how to bring is game up against a higher level of competition.       That's 50 carries for 391 yards against Pac 12 schools for a guy out of little San Diego State and the Mountain West conference.   Couple of TD's and a receiving TD as well and oh by the way.......he and his team won both games against the bigger schools and the bigger conferences.

I think the kid will be a stud...not on the Marshall Faulk level from SDSU but certainly a really really really good pro for a lot of years.