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1 hour ago, hoorta said:

4) I (and 90% of all Browns fans) would care if the Best Cousins could do is 8-8. Sure, we've been in the sewer for so long, 8-8 is improvement. But you hand a guy a $150 million contract, it's playoffs or bust- if not Super Bowl. 

5) I agree, it's early to lock in on a favorite. Right now, I have Mayfield\Darnold 1-2,but I could be swayed between now and April. FWIW, I have Jackson as my #5 pick, behind Josh Allen. 

6) The only and I mean the only way you draft Barkley #1 overall is if you think he's going to be Jim Brown good, and maybe not even then. As I've told Po a bunch of times Brown, Payton, and Sanders have 2 championships between the three of them, the Lions never even made the Super Bowl with Barry. Payton's is as much due to the all-star defense the Bears had that year. 

Here is my problem with that logic. You take that 30 mil and you spend it else where. What's more likely, Cousins gets you 8 wins or another QB with a few more FAs? Let' do it this way

Cousins + the top player in the draft + some lesser FAs

Or

Rookie QB + Jarvis Landry + Leveon Bell

Even if I give you the top 2 offensive FAs do you think that gives us a better chance to win games? I don't think it impossible we can strike gold on one of the rookies, but I like the odds with Cousins much better.

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3 hours ago, Louisville Slugger said:

Here is my problem with that logic. You take that 30 mil and you spend it else where. What's more likely, Cousins gets you 8 wins or another QB with a few more FAs? Let' do it this way

Cousins + the top player in the draft + some lesser FAs

Or

Rookie QB + Jarvis Landry + Leveon Bell

Even if I give you the top 2 offensive FAs do you think that gives us a better chance to win games? I don't think it impossible we can strike gold on one of the rookies, but I like the odds with Cousins much better.

Who says we're going to spend that money this year? Short term thinking. The Browns aren't going to the 2019 Super Bowl even if they spend all of the $110 million cap in one year. 

My scenario is none of the above. Not using one of the top two picks on a QB isn't going to happen, not in a draft where some of the talking heads are saying 5-6 quarterbacks could go in the first round. We aren't starting a rookie QB, and we're not spending $150 million on Cousins either. It's not just the humongous contract. You get Kirk, forget about grooming a long term QB, you're stuck with Cousins for at least 3 years. Sure Dorsey & Company will at least kick the tires to see if there's any interest- due diligence and all that.

Bring in a veteran bridge starter on a two year contract that will be 20% of what Cousins is going to command. Will we win a few less games? Probably. But we can sit Darnold, Mayfield, or even your guy Jackson for a year- makes your time horizon around 8 years longer. Can't just think about next year- have to be thinking a year or two down the road. I doubt Bell is going anywhere. The Steelers took care of Antonio Brown, Bell is next in line to get paid. Pittsburgh knows when Ben retires, the Super Bowl window is closed. Having cap room in reserve will be great- when we're ready to make that big move. 2018 is not the year. 

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10 hours ago, hoorta said:

Who says we're going to spend that money this year? Short term thinking. The Browns aren't going to the 2019 Super Bowl even if they spend all of the $110 million cap in one year. 

My scenario is none of the above. Not using one of the top two picks on a QB isn't going to happen, not in a draft where some of the talking heads are saying 5-6 quarterbacks could go in the first round. We aren't starting a rookie QB, and we're not spending $150 million on Cousins either. It's not just the humongous contract. You get Kirk, forget about grooming a long term QB, you're stuck with Cousins for at least 3 years. Sure Dorsey & Company will at least kick the tires to see if there's any interest- due diligence and all that.

Bring in a veteran bridge starter on a two year contract that will be 20% of what Cousins is going to command. Will we win a few less games? Probably. But we can sit Darnold, Mayfield, or even your guy Jackson for a year- makes your time horizon around 8 years longer. Can't just think about next year- have to be thinking a year or two down the road. I doubt Bell is going anywhere. The Steelers took care of Antonio Brown, Bell is next in line to get paid. Pittsburgh knows when Ben retires, the Super Bowl window is closed. Having cap room in reserve will be great- when we're ready to make that big move. 2018 is not the year. 

So Manziel in as the bridge you say?;)

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