mjp28 Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 13 hours ago, hoorta said: Let's take this in reverse order. I hope you meant Payton's little brother Eli goober, because Payton was drafted by the Colts, and played for the Colts. The Chargers got a pretty good consolation prize in Phillip Rivers. When Kosar pulled that fast one to get drafted by the Browns- the NFL changed the rules. Elway was a much sought after baseball prospect- so he had that as leverage. Three times it's happened in 35 years. Unlikely to happen again, with the current interview & private workouts. We'll know way before the draft if a player doesn't want to play for us. LOL what ya gonna do if Barkley tells everyone- I'd rather not play in Cleveland? Some people just get confused with the facts. .......but Bernie was one of the best snooker deals in NFL history, oh yeah to play for his boyhood favorite team, the team he loved to root for the Cleveland BROWNS. So I guess you can throw out a lot of the other things like "do you want to play in Cleveland". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 JFF called them up and asked them to draft him, so yeah some players do. By the way....not to be saying Beetlejuice 3 times....JFF was in the news. It was just announce yesterday that he and the Tiger Cats could not reach a deal by an imposed Jan. 31 deadline: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/01/31/johnny-manziel-remains-unsigned-cfl-hamilton-tiger-cats-deadline-passes/1085518001/ First....it seems to me that this deadline was completely arbitrary.....set up by JMZ's agent. Why the deadline? Also...it seems like the money they were talking about wanting was like 500K. Not a lot in NFL terms...not sure about CFL terms. And though it was a "deadline"....they don't start CFL training camps until May....so they can still work it out. I just don't know JFF would want to set such an arbitrary deadline....WTF does he think? That some NFL team will be knocking on his door? GUFFAWW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 15.00 an hour, max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: JFF called them up and asked them to draft him, so yeah some players do. By the way....not to be saying Beetlejuice 3 times....JFF was in the news. It was just announce yesterday that he and the Tiger Cats could not reach a deal by an imposed Jan. 31 deadline: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/01/31/johnny-manziel-remains-unsigned-cfl-hamilton-tiger-cats-deadline-passes/1085518001/ First....it seems to me that this deadline was completely arbitrary.....set up by JMZ's agent. Why the deadline? Also...it seems like the money they were talking about wanting was like 500K. Not a lot in NFL terms...not sure about CFL terms. And though it was a "deadline"....they don't start CFL training camps until May....so they can still work it out. I just don't know JFF would want to set such an arbitrary deadline....WTF does he think? That some NFL team will be knocking on his door? GUFFAWW! I'm pretty sure 500K is a pretty nice chunk of change in the CFL... From what I saw on the Interwebs, the minimum salary for a CFL player is $41,000 a year, and all CFL teams operate on a $4.2 mill salary cap for their entire roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I'm pretty sure 500K is a pretty nice chunk of change in the CFL... From what I saw on the Interwebs, the minimum salary for a CFL player is $41,000 a year, and all CFL teams operate on a $4.2 mill salary cap for their entire roster. Well....I think that is what JFF was wanting.....not what the Tiger Cats were offering. Read the link...but I don't think it says how far off they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Almost four years later, I still can't believe the Browns drafted him. With Bridgewater, Carr and Garappolo still on the board. Sorry, I know, it's over, but maaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 14 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Almost four years later, I still can't believe the Browns drafted him. With Bridgewater, Carr and Garappolo still on the board. Sorry, I know, it's over, but maaaaaaaaaaaaaan. They...the Browns....and a lot of us bought into the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 46 minutes ago, The Gipper said: They...the Browns....and a lot of us bought into the hype. The shame of it is that he really did have a great arm, the ability to find receivers, etc. but he wanted to party more than he wanted to take that basic ability and refine it into being an NFL QB. That Heisman was not an accident, nor was that win over Bama in Tuscaloosa of all places. He showed more ability to place the long pass right into receivers and over defenders and through to multiple players in that game and many others during that two years. The "Mike Evans made him" story was a myth. You can look up the stats and try to argue that case, but you will only find a case for him as a primary and multiple receivers that add a significant majority of the yards/TDs. JF was just too into substances to take his talents and fine tune them. One of those great American tragedies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: One of those great American tragedies. I think most see it as....... One of those totally forgotten American tragedies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, D Bone said: I think most see it as....... One of those totally forgotten American tragedies. One of those great American tragedies. Now...maybe...Canada's problem!! So...will he tarnish life in two countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 BILLY LIVES!!!! Nothing says "I've changed" like holding out for an oversized contract??? You'd think he'd play for free just to get back into organized ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: BILLY LIVES!!!! Nothing says "I've changed" like holding out for an oversized contract??? You'd think he'd play for free just to get back into organized ball... It's called "agents" Tour. You know that. Sooner or later the contract gets signed. If they are smart Hamilton puts all kinds of qualifiers on it for relapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said: It's called "agents" Tour. You know that. Sooner or later the contract gets signed. If they are smart Hamilton puts all kinds of qualifiers on it for relapse. He has an agent? Agents never do what their Players tell them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 46 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: He has an agent? Agents never do what their Players tell them? they probably actually figure that they have until May to get a deal done. Despite everything that he has done (and not done) JMZ ...and his agent figure that he has 'star name power". Which he probably does....for right and wrong reasons. I mean, face it: he WOULD be the biggest name in the CFL. He WOULD bring a lot of new eyeballs to CFL games...and maybe put a lot of butts in seats. They would probably put a CFL Channel all over Texas. I suspect he wants paid just for that publicity...if for nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: It's called "agents" Tour. You know that. Sooner or later the contract gets signed. If they are smart Hamilton puts all kinds of qualifiers on it for relapse. Johnny Football is trying to get signed by the Broadway play Hamilton? Color me shocked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Tour2ma said: He has an agent? Agents never do what their Players tell them? Yep-old article, but he's back with him. http://www.sportingnews.com/other-sports/news/johnny-manziel-johnny-football-nfl-draft-2014-agent-select-sports-group-twitter-video/3mbfz4nir0511uct9k0tg74ee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Johnny Football is trying to get signed by the Broadway play Hamilton? Color me shocked! OK so what's the punchline? Oh that is the punchline. Will we ever live down the first round, never pick a Heisman QB winner, Johnny Football legacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, mjp28 said: OK so what's the punchline? Oh that is the punchline. Will we ever live down the first round, never pick a Heisman QB winner, Johnny Football legacy? Only reason I'm scared of Mayfield... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 17 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: Johnny Football is trying to get signed by the Broadway play Hamilton? Color me shocked! Does he play Aaron Burr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 57 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Does he play Aaron Burr? "Billy" Burr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: "Billy" Burr... Benedict "Billy" Arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 9:20 PM, D Bone said: John Riggins? Tim Riggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undertaker Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 As much as Johnny Football sucked I am still puking over Justin Gilbert with the 8th pick overall. Watching him out there was about as much fun as tooth decay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/02/cleveland_browns_what_happened.html Plutos take. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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