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46 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

This is assuming you land Cousins, draft Barkley and develop Allen.

The Browns are instantly relevant in the AFCN. 

Even slightly above average QB play makes this team relevant.    But the instantly part will have nothing to do with Allen... and most likely Barkley as well.

I don't understand the obsession with this kid other than his size.    Just watching him side by side with other QB's and his senior bowl stuff is pretty telling.  

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well, as I've said before - everything that can be said, HAS been said about all this qb draft stuff. The Browns need to start winning now, so it seems that Mayfield has the magic in him to start far faster than the others. It could be Mayfield, and whoever else the second pick would be - I keep thinking it's Minkah - but FA.... suppose they sign Tremaine Johnson, fa, cb? That would shake up the draft a bit.

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1 hour ago, calfoxwc said:

well, as I've said before - everything that can be said, HAS been said about all this qb draft stuff. The Browns need to start winning now, so it seems that Mayfield has the magic in him to start far faster than the others. It could be Mayfield, and whoever else the second pick would be - I keep thinking it's Minkah - but FA.... suppose they sign Tremaine Johnson, fa, cb? That would shake up the draft a bit.

 

No, what the Browns need to do is build a solid and young foundation for sustained success.

Quite literally the "win now, excite the fanbase, sell tickets RAH RAH RAH" is EXACTLY why we ended up with Johnny HateCrime.   

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5 hours ago, boo fagley said:

Why cant Allen be the exception?

He is not Kizer. Allen was forced to run in what people call a pro style offense at Wyoming. NFL offenses dont want the QB to expose themselves to hits like a RB. A RBs lifespan is short in the NFL  Vick, RG3 and others tried bucking the trend and you saw the result. Allen is by no means a finished product and needs work. You dont want a guy who goes from starting in college to staring in the pros day 1 anyway. Thats a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Agreed. Allen could be the exception, just like Mayfield could (and I think will) be the exception for 6' qbs.  But my POV is our #1 and #4 picks are Mercedes\BMW picks. Would you go to a BMW dealer and plunk down $70,000 on a car that "needs work"?   If we were picking in the 12-20 range, I'd have a different opinion. 

4 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

That's not really the type of decision process you want to risk a struggling franchise on. 

What really worries me is our "Quarterback Whisperer" Hue is going to tell Dorsey- "I can fix him". Just like RG III, LOL.   

3 hours ago, boo fagley said:

This is assuming you land Cousins, draft Barkley and develop Allen.

The Browns are instantly relevant in the AFCN. 

I'll steal what Tia just posted   "Quite literally the "win now, excite the fanbase, sell tickets RAH RAH RAH" I want long term success, not a flash in the pan. 

Saw a report giving the Browns around a 10% chance of landing Cousins. It will depend if he values $$$$ over winning. Regarding "developing" Allen- hell of a risk. He may have an Elway ceiling- he also has a Christian Ponder floor if the accuracy issues can't be fixed. 56% doesn't cut it in the NFL anymore.   

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1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

 

No, what the Browns need to do is build a solid and young foundation for sustained success.

Quite literally the "win now, excite the fanbase, sell tickets RAH RAH RAH" is EXACTLY why we ended up with Johnny HateCrime.   

you can do both, they are not mutually exclusive unless you don't have much talent. The Browns have some serious talent, they just have four positions that must get fixed to be able to win. If you look at the scores of games, it isn't like they get beaten 55-3, 48-6 every week. They are a lot closer than that - and a great draft could fix what needs fixed. Which is, FS, QB, CB, WR

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5 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

you can do both, they are not mutually exclusive unless you don't have much talent. The Browns have some serious talent, they just have four positions that must get fixed to be able to win. If you look at the scores of games, it isn't like they get beaten 55-3, 48-6 every week. They are a lot closer than that - and a great draft could fix what needs fixed. Which is, FS, QB, CB, WR

That's pretty fair in those four.

RB, K maybe OL might bite them real soon, hopefully they do well with their 12 picks.

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My post is based on not acquiring Cousins (which I don't believe will happen)  

In which case Mayfield wouldn't be a good idea and Allen would be worse. 

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3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

well, as I've said before - everything that can be said, HAS been said about all this qb draft stuff.

OK, so, then....why don't you cease and desist saying anything else until the draft takes place?  Please do so.

 

The Browns need to start winning now, so it seems that Mayfield has the magic in him to start far faster than the others. It could be Mayfield, and whoever else the second pick would be - I keep thinking it's Minkah - but FA.... suppose they sign Tremaine Johnson, fa, cb? That would shake up the draft a bit.

So...lets put a moratorium on the draft talk until after the FA signing period is about done.   Let's say...April 1st?

I will if everyone else here does. Ya think that will happen?

 

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10 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

So...lets put a moratorium on the draft talk until after the FA signing period is about done.   Let's say...April 1st?

I will if everyone else here does. Ya think that will happen?

Not a chance Gip.  First thing of semi- importance happens in 2 days when McCarron finds out if he's a UFA or RFA. UFA? Depends on how high the market goes. RFA? already said nyet to giving the Bengals our #33. Alex Smith he ain't.  

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giving THEM our 33 ??? egad, that's "NO".

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17 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Not a chance Gip.  First thing of semi- importance happens in 2 days when McCarron finds out if he's a UFA or RFA. UFA? Depends on how high the market goes. RFA? already said nyet to giving the Bengals our #33. Alex Smith he ain't.  

I was wondering when that was going to happen.  

I guess we will know by then.

But....does it seem that Hue has dog slobbered over McCarron the way that PoG has dog slobbered over Barkley...and Cal has dog slobbered over Allen?

Except, of course, Hue's slobbering is much more lethal than   Cal's or PoGs.   Hue could so some actual harm.

 

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6 hours ago, hoorta said:

  But my POV is our #1 and #4 picks are Mercedes\BMW picks. Would you go to a BMW dealer and plunk down $70,000 on a car that "needs work"?      

nope..but some of us Old Browns Fans should be riding out of here with a Mustang &.. the Model     

      

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SOME of us ol' Browns' Fans are.......

Hell, all I lack are the looks, talent, money, girls, & cars......But I can match 'em in ENERGY!!!

Mike

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6 hours ago, hoorta said:

 

What really worries me is our "Quarterback Whisperer" Hue is going to tell Dorsey- "I can fix him". Just like RG III, LOL.   

 

RG III was a low risk/high reward signing that didn't pan out when viewed as just the potential alone of rookie year RGIII being possible again.  If the signing of him prevented getting a Wentz or Goff or whoever, then yeah..it was a big mistake even considering how low risk a signing he was at the time.

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5 minutes ago, Mark O said:

RG III was a low risk/high reward signing that didn't pan out when viewed as just the potential alone of rookie year RGIII being possible again.  If the signing of him prevented getting a Wentz or Goff or whoever, then yeah..it was a big mistake even considering how low risk a signing he was at the time.

It wasn't the signing of RGIII that bothered me, it was how Hue forced him into the starter position without anything that resembled a competition in training camp. What Hue saw in him to make him so adamant about him starting over McCown was a real head-scratcher. 

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3 minutes ago, Mark O said:

RG III was a low risk/high reward signing that didn't pan out when viewed as just the potential alone of rookie year RGIII being possible again. If t he signing of him prevented getting a Wentz or Goff or whoever, then yeah..it was a big mistake even considering how low risk a signing he was at the time.

Mark, your statement just reinforces my feelings that, no matter WHO we may sign, we MUST draft a QB HIGH...#1 high! We cannot afford to let a QB class like this one escape us. Who knows when we'll be in this position again?

Mike

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7 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Quite literally the "win now, excite the fanbase, sell tickets RAH RAH RAH" is EXACTLY why we ended up with Johnny HateCrime.

I swear that was Haslam wanting the most flamboyant QB...to put HIS team in the spotlight.  To get HIS team talked about.  To sell tickets and beer and jerseys. 

...how's that trial going?  Any chance the'll lock him away?

At #1 they have to pick their favorite QB.  (it's ok that he's not an impact player year one.  they still have the fourth highest pick in the draft to get one)

THEN....there are a couple of 'must do' things.  They've GOTTA get someone so that Peppers can play up closer to the LOS than to the parking lot.  And they've GOTTA get a WR that doesn't drop the ball at the 11 yard line, on 4th down, with the game on the line.  AND, because it's a good draft for RB's, they've gotta come out of the draft with one of 'em.

 

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38 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

It wasn't the signing of RGIII that bothered me, it was how Hue forced him into the starter position without anything that resembled a competition in training camp. What Hue saw in him to make him so adamant about him starting over McCown was a real head-scratcher. 

True enough.   He wasnt playing horribly in that first game against the Jets (I think or maybe Eagles) before he got hurt.  As I recall, that game was close until Cammy Erving shot the ball over RGIII for a safety and that turned the game.   McCown did play better and then he got hurt as well which forced the Cody Concussler era on us.

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49 minutes ago, Canton Mike said:

Mark, your statement just reinforces my feelings that, no matter WHO we may sign, we MUST draft a QB HIGH...#1 high! We cannot afford to let a QB class like this one escape us. Who knows when we'll be in this position again?

Mike

I sincerely hope it's not as soon as 2019 Mike.  :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, hoorta said:

I sincerely hope it's not as soon as 2019 Mike.  :rolleyes:

Larry,

POSITIVE thoughts ONLY!!!!  ;)

Mike

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6 minutes ago, Canton Mike said:

Larry,

POSITIVE thoughts ONLY!!!!  ;)

Mike

It was funny though..  :)

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17 minutes ago, Mark O said:

It was funny though..  :)

Yeah, it was & I knew he meant it sarcastically.  :D  We are just overdue for positives & at least we know the picks, etc this year will be well thought out.

Mike

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1 minute ago, Canton Mike said:

Yeah, it was & I knew he meant it sarcastically.  :D  We are just overdue for positives & at least we know the picks, etc this year will be well thought out.

Mike

I don't know the picks will be....but I certainly hope that this is the year that they are all well thought out. 

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18 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

well, as I've said before - everything that can be said, HAS been said about all this qb draft stuff. The Browns need to start winning now, so it seems that Mayfield has the magic in him to start far faster than the others. It could be Mayfield, and whoever else the second pick would be - I keep thinking it's Minkah - but FA.... suppose they sign Tremaine Johnson, fa, cb? That would shake up the draft a bit.

Im done beleiving that any NCAA QB is ready to start and win in the NFL as a rookie. Ive seen this movie too many times to not know how it ends.

You start winning now by landing a FA QB ready to play tomorrow. Take Barkley and youve got QB and RB covered for this season. Next, draft a QB who can hold a clipboard and learn the game to be the franchise.

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Just now, boo fagley said:

Im done beleiving that any NCAA QB is ready to start and win in the NFL as a rookie. Ive seen this movie too many times to not know how it ends.

You start winning now by landing a FA QB ready to play tomorrow. Take Barkley and youve got QB and RB covered for this season. Next, draft a QB who can hold a clipboard and learn the game to be the franchise.

The "rookie savior quarterback" rarely works unless he's exceptional and has a fairly complete team around him.

Grooming is best even for good prospects. 

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