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This point jumped out at me. I've read so much here and other places about how inferior the talent around Allen was... how his completion percentage suffered due to drops, etc. Turns out not-so-much...

" 10. Profootballfocus reported Allen had only 12 passes dropped at Wyoming last season. By contrast, UCLA's Josh Rosen had 34 passes dropped, Mayfield had 28 and Darnold had 18. So Allen's low completion percentage was not due to guys dropping balls."

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I guess you could make the argument his WRs couldn't get as open, causing him to force throws in tighter windows, hurting his completion percentage

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2 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

So Allen's low completion percentage was not due to guys dropping balls."

It was due to the broad side of the barn being missed.

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6 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Always find Pluto reads to be among the best...

This point jumped out at me. I've read so much here and other places about how inferior the talent around Allen was... how his completion percentage suffered due to drops, etc. Turns out not-so-much...

" 10. Profootballfocus reported Allen had only 12 passes dropped at Wyoming last season. By contrast, UCLA's Josh Rosen had 34 passes dropped, Mayfield had 28 and Darnold had 18. So Allen's low completion percentage was not due to guys dropping balls."

How many times do we have to go over this?

Allen attempted 270 @ 56% completions

Rosen attempted 452 @ 62% completions.

Allen needs to complete 6 more passes per 100 to be equal with Rosen. Ridiculous.

Allens O line sucked. He was under constant pressure. You guys act like Allen is a pitcher up on the mound with a lousy era.

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6 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

How many times do we have to go over this?

Allen attempted 270 @ 56% completions

Rosen attempted 452 @ 62% completions.

Allen needs to complete 6 more passes per 100 to be equal with Rosen. Ridiculous.

Allens O line sucked. He was under constant pressure. You guys act like Allen is a pitcher up on the mound with a lousy era.

To Summarize... 

Allen = Kizer

 

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34 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

How many times do we have to go over this?

Allen attempted 270 @ 56% completions

Rosen attempted 452 @ 62% completions.

Allen needs to complete 6 more passes per 100 to be equal with Rosen. Ridiculous.

Allens O line sucked. He was under constant pressure. You guys act like Allen is a pitcher up on the mound with a lousy era.

Six more passes per 100?!? Are you sure? I’m not convinced that’s how percentages work. Well, Sheet, Kizer only needed to complete seven more passes per 100 to be equal with Carson Wentz.

 

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1 hour ago, Mark O said:

To Summarize... 

Allen = Kizer

 

Quinn = Rosen.

Brady Quinn a 62% rate.

Johnny Football had a 70% completion rate.

 

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1 minute ago, boo fagley said:

Quinn = Rosen.

Brady Quinn a 62% rate.

Johnny Football had a 70% completion rate.

 

No one ever said that completion percentage guaranteed success.  But an inaccurate college QB is only going to get more inaccurate in the NFL.

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43 minutes ago, broganreynik said:

Six more passes per 100?!? Are you sure? I’m not convinced that’s how percentages work. Well, Sheet, Kizer only needed to complete seven more passes per 100 to be equal with Carson Wentz.

 

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 100 passes completed out of 100 attempts is a 100% rate. Allen completed 56 out of 100 for 56% rate.

 

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11 minutes ago, Mark O said:

No one ever said that completion percentage guaranteed success.  But an inaccurate college QB is only going to get more inaccurate in the NFL.

Really.

Brady got better. Brees got better. I could go on all night with examples to the contrary. Its called development. 

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Just now, boo fagley said:

Really.

Brady got better. Brees got better. I could go on all night with examples to the contrary. Its called development. 

Yeah..Brady and Brees were still at 60% completion percentage in college or above.  Allen is completing  55% in the shitty mountain west conference.  

But sure..lets draft Kizer part 2 in round 1 first overall because he's got a big arm and is a good athlete.  Wait..that sounds a lot like Kizer.   He's a good athlete and has a great arm but he is inaccurate as well. 

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50 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

  

 100 passes completed out of 100 attempts is a 100% rate. Allen completed 56 out of 100 for 56% rate.

 

Notice I used your logic to compare Kizer to Wentz?

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4 hours ago, boo fagley said:

How many times do we have to go over this?

Allen attempted 270 @ 56% completions

Rosen attempted 452 @ 62% completions.

Allen needs to complete 6 more passes per 100 to be equal with Rosen. Ridiculous.

Allens O line sucked. He was under constant pressure. You guys act like Allen is a pitcher up on the mound with a lousy era.

If only... well he didn't. Go watch an entire game of his Boo, and get back to me...  Lousy ERA? More like a flame throwing pitcher who can't find the strike zone on a regular basis. 

We've been through all the outliers who significantly improved their completion % in the pros. The odds are against Allen doing so. Our wildly inconsistent Deshone Kizer actually had a better completion percentage than Allen in college- and now some guys want to draft his clone? No thanks. 

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16 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Always find Pluto reads to be among the best...

This point jumped out at me. I've read so much here and other places about how inferior the talent around Allen was... how his completion percentage suffered due to drops, etc. Turns out not-so-much...

" 10. Profootballfocus reported Allen had only 12 passes dropped at Wyoming last season. By contrast, UCLA's Josh Rosen had 34 passes dropped, Mayfield had 28 and Darnold had 18. So Allen's low completion percentage was not due to guys dropping balls."

Pluto is great.. I miss Hal Lebovits.. He was a thousand times better.....

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9 hours ago, boo fagley said:

Really.

Brady got better. Brees got better. I could go on all night with examples to the contrary. Its called development. 

Compare Kesslers better numbers than Darnold at USC & get back with us. meanwhile the buckeyes put Darnold over the Kessler mark of plus 30 sacks per season. USC QB's fumbling balls must cum with Trojan protection<_<   

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8 hours ago, broganreynik said:

Notice I used your logic to compare Kizer to Wentz?

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I noticed that you were  puzzled of my numbers. Take half the money out of your piggy bank and give it to me. I have 50% and you have 50%. See how that works??

Hilarious, you are arguing over 6 more completions per 100 attempts. Thats 24 more completions @ 400 attempts divide by 16 games = 1.5 additional completions per game to reach 62%. Brady completes so many short 5 yard passes its  impossible for him to not be in the 66% range which is 2 completions out 3 attempts and the winning formula. Brady, Rogers, Ryan, Brees even Alex Smith are all 66% passers. Allen needs 10 more completions per 100 to reach the 66% plateau. 2.5 completions per 16 games with better coaching, better OL, better WRs, better RBs.

Allen needs coaching up. Brady needed coaching up. Its foolish to believe that these QBs come from winning college programs and start winning in the NFL the same way. Brady is constantly working on his throwing motion and footwork. 

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7 hours ago, hoorta said:

If only... well he didn't. Go watch an entire game of his Boo, and get back to me...  Lousy ERA? More like a flame throwing pitcher who can't find the strike zone on a regular basis. 

We've been through all the outliers who significantly improved their completion % in the pros. The odds are against Allen doing so. Our wildly inconsistent Deshone Kizer actually had a better completion percentage than Allen in college- and now some guys want to draft his clone? No thanks. 

No, Allen did not get better behind that colander of an offensive line.

You guys act like the other 10 guys around the QB are of no factor whatsoever. Rosen has bust written all over him.

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10 hours ago, Mark O said:

Yeah..Brady and Brees were still at 60% completion percentage in college or above.  Allen is completing  55% in the shitty mountain west conference.  

But sure..lets draft Kizer part 2 in round 1 first overall because he's got a big arm and is a good athlete.  Wait..that sounds a lot like Kizer.   He's a good athlete and has a great arm but he is inaccurate as well. 

Lamar Jackson is a better version of Kizer. 

Compare Allen to Kizer all you want but it isn't true. 

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38 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

I noticed that you were  puzzled of my numbers. Take half the money out of your piggy bank and give it to me. I have 50% and you have 50%. See how that works??

Hilarious, you are arguing over 6 more completions per 100 attempts. Thats 24 more completions @ 400 attempts divide by 16 games = 1.5 additional completions per game to reach 62%. Brady completes so many short 5 yard passes its  impossible for him to not be in the 66% range which is 2 completions out 3 attempts and the winning formula. Brady, Rogers, Ryan, Brees even Alex Smith are all 66% passers. Allen needs 10 more completions per 100 to reach the 66% plateau. 2.5 completions per 16 games with better coaching, better OL, better WRs, better RBs.

Allen needs coaching up. Brady needed coaching up. Its foolish to believe that these QBs come from winning college programs and start winning in the NFL the same way. Brady is constantly working on his throwing motion and footwork. 

It is ridiculous that we have to debate taking a QB at #1 or #4 overall who even his backers say is a multi-year project.

Let someone else use their high first rounder on such a project. Someone on here (cal?) made the point that Denver wants him? Let them have him.

Their "coaching up" of Tebow and Paxton Lynch should be done any moment now.

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1 hour ago, boo fagley said:

Rosen has bust written all over him.

Unless he ends up being drafted by a dome team, like Indy. The guy needs some coddling.

There's reports Indy is going to hire McDaniels as HC. Maybe they want Rosen so bad we can dupe them in a draft deal trade and still get Allen, Barkley, Fitzpatrick, or Chubb. 

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On 1/28/2018 at 6:59 AM, nickers said:

Pluto is great.. I miss Hal Lebovits.. He was a thousand times better.....

Hal LowBlow  as Pete Franklin used to call him.

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11 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

How low blow onHow low blow on

Habla Esp on HOLIO?

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4 hours ago, gumby73 said:

Compare Kesslers better numbers than Darnold at USC & get back with us. meanwhile the buckeyes put Darnold over the Kessler mark of plus 30 sacks per season. USC QB's fumbling balls must cum with Trojan protection<_<   

USC is always good.  Usually top ten,  minimum,  top 20.they always have good WR and usually good RB. Makes it much easier to put big numbers up and win lots of games when you have guys like woods and juju that catch anything thrown their way. 

Their QB's don't set the NFL on fire though.  Most are backups.  Palmer being the one exception. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bob806 said:

Unless he ends up being drafted by a dome team, like Indy. The guy needs some coddling.

Just curious Bob, but why do you feel Rosen needs to play in a dome?

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