mjp28 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 DESPITE A FEW RECENT COMMON SENSE WINS THE ATTACK ON "PREMIUM" CIGARS CONTINUES........ We ask that all Cigar Voters regularly check our Legislative Action Center on the CRA website to stay current and to take action by contacting members of your state legislature. Additionally, please visit CRA's guide to contacting your local representatives on any and all issues. With that, we want to bring to your attention a few new pieces of legislation that have already been introduced: In Iowa, Senate File 249 ("SF 249") has been introduced in the state senate and seeks to roll back the exemption on indoor smoking in casinos in the state. To sign the petition AGAINST SF 249, click here. In Indiana, two bills have been introduced that would negatively affect premium cigar patrons. The first, House Bill 1381 ("HB 1381"), would remove all exemptions to the state indoor smoking ban, including tobacco and specialty cigar shops. To sign the petition AGAINST HB 1381, click here. Senate Bill 23 ("SB 23") by Indiana State Senator Liz Brown symbolizes the nanny-state as few do. This legislation is an attempt at social engineering using the legislative process, to pander to the Indiana Chamber of Commerce, who is backing this bill. Having the government enact a law that would allow an employer to hire and fire employees, because they may happen to enjoy a cigar or other legal tobacco product, is as bad as using taxation or smoking bans to strip away personal freedoms and property rights. To sign the petition AGAINST SB 23, click here. In Nebraska, two bills have also been introduced that affect premium cigars. The first bill, Legislative Bill 1087 ("LB 1087") would implement a $0.50 tax cap on premium cigars in the state. Currently the rate of taxation is 20%. To sign the petition in SUPPORT of LB 1087, click here. Second, Legislative Bill 1117, ("LB 1117") would do the opposite of LB 1087. LB 1117 calls for a direct increase in the rate of taxation going from 20% to 45% of the wholesale cost of each cigar. To sign the petition AGAINST to LB 1117, click here. In New Jersey, Assembly Bill 1579 ("A. 1579") calls for an increase in the premium cigar tax by adding a $2.70 flat rate per cigar as well as implementing restrictive and costly retail requirements in order to do business. To sign the petition AGAINST A. 1579, click here. In New Mexico, once again a bill has been introduced in the state senate that would dramatically increase the tax on premium cigars. Senate Bill 25 ("SB 25") would increase the rate from it's current 25% to 76% of the wholesale cost. To sign the petition AGAINST SB 25, click here In Virginia, a bill has been introduced in both chambers of the legislature affecting premium cigars. The first, House Bill 1541 ("HB 1541"), is a pro premium cigar bill that would create a new limited mixed beverage license for premium cigar retail shops in the Commonwealth. To sign the petition in SUPPORT of HB 1541, click here. Second, Senate Bill ("SB 390") calls for a increase in the rate of taxation. As written, SB 390 would increase the tax rate from 10% to 23% of the manufacturer's sales price. To sign the petition AGAINST SB 390, click here. Lastly, in addition to these newly introduced bills, legislation in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Oregon and others are still active. Please visit the CRA Legislative Action Center for more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 I'm anti tabacco so don't want to breathe any type of smoke in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 smokers can take their second hand smoke and jimmycrackcorn and I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just leave rum alone and I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Gotta get a bottle of that good stuff you drink but don't know where I can find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 4 hours ago, calfoxwc said: smokers can take their second hand smoke and jimmycrackcorn and I don't care. If you and diehard read this it's about cigar shops and lounges and not any public places at all......I'm good with that. The bigger issue is TAXING cigars to death especially the small business owners of shops that sell premium cigars. For the record I never smoked nor like cigarettes and like about 95% of premium (and most other) cigar smokers I never inhale. I also started smoking cigars 50 years ago at age 18.....and have enjoyed it! Premium cigars must have three things: 1. 100% tobacco, no mysterious fillers or flavoring 2. All long leaf filler no cuts and pieces. 3. 100% handmade not just hand rolled. If your cigar already has a hole in the end it's machine made, I'll pass on it every time. Oh I am a true Cigar Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 You like Monica Lewinski's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 48 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: You like Monica Lewinski's? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, mjp28 said: ??? the story is, bill clinton used a cigar on lewinski, something like that. I've never smoked in my life, cept one time. We were kids, and my cousin stole two cigarettes from his parents - red/white package, winstons? Well, we hiked over to the old apple orchard and climbed a tree eating apples, and he lit em up, gave me one. I took a puff on it, and it made both of us gag. I thought, that is a hundred times worse than accidently inhaling a new campfire. Never did it again. Of course, we were laughing about it, and the old guy came out, cane in hand, and said he was going to have us arrested if we ever ate one more apple off his trees. what a grouch. At least two dozen nice sized apple trees. We hiked over there at night once, got a few apples, and dang if he didn't come stomping out there with his flashlight. We never figured that one out. You couldn't see his house. I suppose somebody on the other side of the street called him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Probably a good thing not to take up smoking especially cigarettes a dirty, smelly, addictive and now expensive thing to do. On my cigars the cheap "drug store or gas station" brands can actually be awful smelling and have tar just dripping out of them.....I know I used to smoke them early on. The best advice I ever got from a tobaccoist was to put down the cheap junk and go with the premiums. One good 48 to 52 ring x 6" cigar (a ring is measured in 64ths of an inch, a 48 ring is 3/4 inch in diameter) can last up to an hour., I used to smoke Dutch Masters perfectos and burn through 3 or 4 in an hour, in the long run premium cigars are much more enjoyable than junk, I'll never go back to the cheap junk. I can explain every aspect of cigar smoking if anyone is interested, buying, cutting, lighting even how to smoke them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 For sure smoking is no good for you and it stinks but really who cares if guys want to have a cigar? As for myself I think second hand smoke Hysteria is made up by the attorneys so they can sue the tobacco companies. It does offend me if welfare and disability recipients are smoking two packs of Marlboro Lights a day but if you can afford tobacco go ahead. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Cigars are just or more dangerous than cigarettes: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/quit-smoking/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I've seen every study out there like....... http://www.rstreet.org/op-ed/fda-study-cancer-risks-nearly-nil-for-1-2-cigars-per-day/ FDA Study: Cancer risks nearly nil for 1-2 cigars per day The Food and Drug Administration, which now regulates cigars, has taken the position that “cigar smoking carries many of the same health risks as cigarette smoking.” The agency is requiring cigar packages and ads to display six new warnings, including: Cigar smoking can cause cancers of the mouth and throat, even if you do not inhale. Cigar smoking can cause lung cancer and heart disease. Cigars are not a safe alternative to cigarettes. However, an FDA staff report shows that smoking up to two cigars a day is associated with minimal significant health risks. Last year, FDA staff, led by Cindy Chang, published in BMC Public Health a systematic review of the risks of cigar smoking, declaring that their action was “not a formal dissemination of information by the FDA and does not represent agency position or policy.” The authors reviewed 22 prospective epidemiologic studies on cigars and health outcomes; they produced tables of results for many smoking-related diseases. This entry will explore results for deaths from all causes and from cancers among men who are primary cigar smokers (no history of cigarette or pipe smoking). Because the 22 studies employed different methods, and because they controlled or adjusted for various factors, the FDA authors did not provide overall summary risk estimates. First, let’s look at mortality for all causes of death among cigar smokers, compared with never smokers. A relative risk, or RR, of 1 is no risk, and an RR confidence interval that includes 1 is not statistically significant.) Table 1. Relative Risk Estimates For All-Cause Mortality Among Men Who Smoke Cigars Publication, Year Relative Risk (95% Confidence Interval, CI) Best, 1966 1.06 (0.92 – 1.22) Kahn, 1966 1.10 (1.05 – 1.16) Cole, 1974 1.15 (0.70 – 1.90) Carstensen, 1987 1.39 (1.16 – 1.65) Lange, 1992 1.60 (1.30 – 2.00) Ben-Schlomo, 1994 0.48 (0.25 – 0.93) Shanks, 1998 1.08 (1.05 – 1.12) Table 1 shows that cigar smokers have an elevated risk for death from all causes. With the exception of the Ben-Schlomo study, all of the estimates are elevated, and four are statistically significant. So it appears that there is a modest increase in risk among cigar smokers for all causes of death......CONTINUED IN LINK...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I've been a cigar smoker for about 50 years, I've done cigar forums on two different boards in the past 20 years so I'm pretty well versed on all things cigar related. I've read the CIGAR AFICIONADO magazine from issue #2 and on for almost 20 years, it's a great source of information about all things cigar related. https://www.cigaraficionado.com/ And other sites like http://www.smokemag.com/ https://www.famous-smoke.com/cigaradvisor As well as other sites for adult pleasures like spirits, wine and beer! https://www.wineandspiritsmagazine.com/ and http://imbibemagazine.com/ ENJOY BEING AN ADULT! (and act like one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I'll go with the Mayo Clinic over the FDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, DieHardBrownsFan said: I'll go with the Mayo Clinic over the FDA. OK here we go that FDA (who regulates just about everything) is a compilation of 22 studies......did you read it? I have. You have maybe 1/10th the knowledge on the subject that I have right now, read up and we'll chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Your opinion is biased due to being a 50 year CIGAR AFICIONADO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Your opinion is biased due to being a 50 year CIGAR AFICIONADO. Actually I've been a real cigar aficionado for maybe the last 35-40 years when I became more into fine cigars, when you walk into a smoke shop it looks like there's a zillion cigars to pick from.... so what to get? And the prices vary from moderate to really expensive but your taste might be for more economical smokes IF you know where to start. I started talking to our local tobaccoist but the real breakthrough for most people was the publication of the CIGAR AFICIONADO magazine which coincidentally happened following the cigar boom in the later 1980s followed by the big cigar bust largely due to uninformed consumers and a glut of BAD cigars to meet the sudden demand. The worldwide output was about 300,000,000 premium cigars which shot to 600,000,000 and back to about the 400,000,000+ but it has steady grown somewhat since. Another big thing the rise of my old favorite J&R CIGAR and online cigars everywhere! You can buy on the cheap.......if you know what to get sight unseen at home. https://www.jrcigars.com/ Plus I've always been interested in Cuba and their collapsing cigar industry (Castro!) and recent rebound. And on it goes...... Afterall an aficionado is defined as: 1. an ardent devotee; fan, enthusiast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 OK you made me do some research...... Cigar Aficionado magazine debuted in the fall of 1992, launched in New York City by Marvin R. Shanken, longtime publisher of Wine Spectator magazine. Prior to launching the publication, Shanken engaged in extensive market research, collecting more than 1300 four-page surveys of cigar smokers which detailed their occupation, income, net worth, travel tendencies, as well as their drinking and smoking habits.[2] Survey results revealed a well-heeled and dedicated male demographic, with survey respondents professing an average household income of $194,000 and a net worth of $1.54 million and claiming to smoke on average ten cigars per week.[2] Shanken launched a large-format glossy magazine aimed at corralling these readers and advertisers of products targeted to this audience. Cigar Aficionado began as a lifestyle magazine, including coverage of wine, spirits, travel, gambling, and antiques, in addition to interviews with leading personalities in the cigar industry and feature articles relating to the cigarmaking industry. From the beginning the magazine emphasized interviews with celebrity cigar smokers, including cover stories on such luminaries as Rush Limbaugh,[3] Bill Cosby,[4] George Burns,[5] Jack Nicholson,[6] and Arnold Schwarzenegger.[7] The new magazine's successful blending of lifestyle reports and celebrity glitz has been credited with contributing to the 1990s cigar boom.[citation needed] The publication scored its first great journalistic coup on February 4, 1994, when editor and publisher Shanken met Fidel Castroin Havana for a two-hour interview.[8] During this interview Castro recounted the story behind the establishment of the Cohiba brand, told stories of the importance of cigars to his life as a revolutionary in the mountains of Cuba, and explained his decision to give up cigar smoking in August 1986 as part of a national campaign against tobacco use.[8] In addition to these topics of special interest to cigar smokers, the interview touched upon bilateral relations between the United States and Cuba, during the course of which Castro accused the United States of repeatedly "moving the goalposts back" for ending the Cuban economic embargo and said that "no other country has as unblemished behavior about human rights" as Cuba........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just curious any cigar smokers out there either store bought or premiums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 11:14 AM, mjp28 said: Just curious any cigar smokers out there either store bought or premiums? No cigar smokers out there, not even one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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