The Gipper Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Because we are looking for better than "acceptable" QB play. Assuming our rookie QB has mastered the playbook, then he's up as soon as we are eliminated from the post season. So....per the Hue Jackson scheduling pattern: Game 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns trade down, Bucs pass on Barkley, Falcons take receiver https://search.app.goo.gl/fhmb6 Shared from my Google feed Looks like Dorsey will be following Sashi Brown sooner rather than later. 🙀 WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 How do you "pass" on a player by selecting him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 21 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Because we are looking for better than "acceptable" QB play. Assuming our rookie QB has mastered the playbook, then he's up as soon as we are eliminated from the post season. And that's the rub. I guess what I'm saying is, do you swap "pretty good" for a guy who is unknown but COULD develop into "very good"? This dilemma becomes even more impossible when you factor in the fact we're the Browns....and "pretty good" QB play would ABSOLUTELY blow everyone away. Think about it for a second. 1-31 over two years, a multitude of sucky QB's, and hardly anything to cheer about. Then just like that, we sign a QB who is "pretty good" and is coming off a playoff season (albeit by the skin of his teeth). It's going to be VERY hard to pull the trigger on swapping in the young QB when so many jobs are on the line. If we kept Hue Jackson after 1-31, you'd like to think we'd keep him if we won something like 5 games this year, right? Where I ultimately agree with you that we definitely want MORE than "acceptable", I still see it being a difficult task to remove a veteran leader for an unknown 21 year-old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 22 hours ago, Westside Steve said: 2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns trade down, Bucs pass on Barkley, Falcons take receiver https://search.app.goo.gl/fhmb6 Shared from my Google feed Looks like Dorsey will be following Sashi Brown sooner rather than later. 🙀 WSS That's not a terrible scenario. I would be good if the browns walked away with that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bigalow80 said: That's not a terrible scenario. I would be good if the browns walked away with that draft. I worry too much about Allen's accuracy. The rest of the undercard looks fine but if we miss on number one... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Mayock's 2018 draft position rankings 3.0: New No. 1 WR, LB https://search.app.goo.gl/7Sj8w Shared from my Google feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-21-trades-256-picks-and-draft-class-analysis-for-all-32-teams/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 hours ago, jiggins7919 said: And that's the rub. I guess what I'm saying is, do you swap "pretty good" for a guy who is unknown but COULD develop into "very good"? This dilemma becomes even more impossible when you factor in the fact we're the Browns....and "pretty good" QB play would ABSOLUTELY blow everyone away. Think about it for a second. 1-31 over two years, a multitude of sucky QB's, and hardly anything to cheer about. Then just like that, we sign a QB who is "pretty good" and is coming off a playoff season (albeit by the skin of his teeth). It's going to be VERY hard to pull the trigger on swapping in the young QB when so many jobs are on the line. If we kept Hue Jackson after 1-31, you'd like to think we'd keep him if we won something like 5 games this year, right? Where I ultimately agree with you that we definitely want MORE than "acceptable", I still see it being a difficult task to remove a veteran leader for an unknown 21 year-old. Actually I see Hue gone by the BYE week after a 2-8 start... but that's another topic. I see what you are saying about QB play, but I think you are looking in the wrong direction... to the past and not the future. If we are out of it by the BYE, then what can you possibly learn by continuing to play Tyrod? Assuming out #1 pick knows the playbook, can repeat a play call and take a 5/7-step drop, I go to the rookie, begin his on-field education and my assessment of his NFL future so I know what kind of priority to put on a 2019 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 can anyone please give me some kind of hope as to why I should like Allen over Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, syd said: can anyone please give me some kind of hope as to why I should like Allen over Darnold Have you applied yet for your idiocy papers? If so, there you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 We should go back and try and find the threads on QB's from past years......I wonder who wanted Johnny and who wanted Weeden whoever wanted those 2 QB's on here we should not listen to this year same with Trent Richardson and Justin Gilbert, lets see who banged their drum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-land-sam-darnold-in-wild-draft-day-trade-with-browns/ I agree that would be wild. And monkeys might fly out of my asss. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 Reuter seven-round mock draft: Bills, Fins trade up for L.A. QBs https://search.app.goo.gl/oiwvE Shared from my Google feed Soon it will all come to an end. 😥 WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, darren15 said: We should go back and try and find the threads on QB's from past years......I wonder who wanted Johnny and who wanted Weeden whoever wanted those 2 QB's on here we should not listen to this year same with Trent Richardson and Justin Gilbert, lets see who banged their drum I will admit I did NOT want Cleveland, the death zone of QB's, to draft JFF. I thought he would be a poor fit. It was my first clue to his idiocy that he asked them to draft him. And I still do not blame any QB for wanting to avoid coming here with Clueless Hueless as the proclaimed QB whisperer. That T-shirt still has room to expand to XXX Large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 7 hours ago, syd said: can anyone please give me some kind of hope as to why I should like Allen over Darnold You can PM cal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 19 hours ago, darren15 said: We should go back and try and find the threads on QB's from past years......I wonder who wanted Johnny and who wanted Weeden whoever wanted those 2 QB's on here we should not listen to this year same with Trent Richardson and Justin Gilbert, lets see who banged their drum I will save you some effort: I was on the Trubisky train. But I was not anti-Garrett. I felt that they should have taken Joey Bosa the year before and gotten their DE there, making the need to draft Garrett superfluous. But they didn't do that, so the need for a DE was acute. Not so acute as the need for a QB.... But, of course, the Browns took no clues from me. This year, I have boarded no one's train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 14 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: I will admit I did NOT want Cleveland, the death zone of QB's, to draft JFF. I thought he would be a poor fit. It was my first clue to his idiocy that he asked them to draft him. And I still do not blame any QB for wanting to avoid coming here with Clueless Hueless as the proclaimed QB whisperer. That T-shirt still has room to expand to XXX Large. By this you make it seem that you still blame the Browns for JFF's failure.......that is was this organization that caused his demise....and not his own behavior. Actually, Cleveland may have been the best place for him. Imagine what a disaster he would have been made out to be had he been drafted by say, one of the NY teams, or LA teams, or Dallas. Hue was not even here when JFF was here. Kyle Shanahan....who people now think is a brilliant guy (a brilliant arsehole perhaps)...was his OC. He would only have been worse elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: I will save you some effort: I was on the Trubisky train. But I was not anti-Garrett. I felt that they should have taken Joey Bosa the year before and gotten their DE there, making the need to draft Garrett superfluous. But they didn't do that, so the need for a DE was acute. Not so acute as the need for a QB.... But, of course, the Browns took no clues from me. This year, I have boarded no one's train. I drafted for the Browns in our draft that year and took Bosa with the first pick and I was lambasted for it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 2018 NFL draft - Jeff Legwold's ranking of top 100 prospects, picks https://search.app.goo.gl/tY6wF Shared from my Google feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, darren15 said: I drafted for the Browns in our draft that year and took Bosa with the first pick and I was lambasted for it .... And rightfully so... 38 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: 2018 NFL draft - Jeff Legwold's ranking of top 100 prospects, picks https://search.app.goo.gl/tY6wF Shared from my Google feed Why do I get the feeling someone got a new Android? And WTF is Jeff Legwold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: 2018 NFL draft - Jeff Legwold's ranking of top 100 prospects, picks https://search.app.goo.gl/tY6wF that pot sets up right for some good position needs at our picks thru 64..poor Christian Kirk has got to get out of that #22 pit of misery hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Haven't published mine yet, but it is one this board will for sure hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mike H said: Haven't published mine yet, but it is one this board will for sure hate. Color me intrigued! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Mike H said: Haven't published mine yet, but it is one this board will for sure hate. Punter at 1 Kicker at 4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 10 hours ago, The Gipper said: By this you make it seem that you still blame the Browns for JFF's failure.......that is was this organization that caused his demise....and not his own behavior. Actually, Cleveland may have been the best place for him. Imagine what a disaster he would have been made out to be had he been drafted by say, one of the NY teams, or LA teams, or Dallas. Hue was not even here when JFF was here. Kyle Shanahan....who people now think is a brilliant guy (a brilliant arsehole perhaps)...was his OC. He would only have been worse elsewhere. No really Gip. Just saying exactly what i was thinking before he ever showed up in Cleveland, the graveyard for QB's. He managed to screw it up without much help from anyone, but that does not change my pre-draft thinking at that time. And Shanny didn't do QBs any favor with that zone read run either. Ridiculous to purposefully run your QB in the NFL. Recipe for injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: No really Gip. Just saying exactly what i was thinking before he ever showed up in Cleveland, the graveyard for QB's. He managed to screw it up without much help from anyone, but that does not change my pre-draft thinking at that time. And Shanny didn't do QBs any favor with that zone read run either. Ridiculous to purposefully run your QB in the NFL. Recipe for injury. In my opinion Cleveland is not in OT not the graveyard to quarterbacks. It has been these quarterbacks that are buried the Browns not the other Shmucking way aroundIn my opinion Cleveland is not in OP not the graveyard to quarterbacks. It has been these quarterbacks that are buried the Browns not the other Shmucking way around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 hours ago, The Gipper said: In my opinion Cleveland is not in OT not the graveyard to quarterbacks. It has been these quarterbacks that are buried the Browns not the other Shmucking way aroundIn my opinion Cleveland is not in OP not the graveyard to quarterbacks. It has been these quarterbacks that are buried the Browns not the other Shmucking way around Most of the non-Browns world thinks more along my line of thinking however. We need a HC/GM T-shirt too. We could title it the graveyard shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Most of the non-Browns world thinks more along my line of thinking however. We need a HC/GM T-shirt too. We could title it the graveyard shift. Well yes there's no doubt that our GM's in our head coaches have been pissed poor and they have made poor choices at picking quarterbacks but it is still those quarterbacks who have been sucked job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/23/mock-draft-prospects-trades-first-round-mmqb-peter-king Peter King. I thought that was a gay fast food restaurant. Sorry. But that does sound like the consensus. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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