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Just now, Ghoolie said:

That has nothing to do with football. 5 national titles in 9 years? I don't know jack squat about him personally, but I sure as hell wish the Buckeyes played at the consistently high level that Alabama does. You don't see Alabama getting blown out in national championships games like Clemson did to OSU, or losing to schidt like IOWA by blowout scores.

This is not a post about likability, it is a post about winning championships. People can complain all they want bout refs, and NCAA favoritism, but nobody forced OSU to lose 2 games to weak teams.

They lost to Oklahoma who was like the #2 or #3 rated team.  And they lost to Iowa...who was by no means a "weak" team.  They were a very good team...but yes, OSU had a very bad day that day.  Even with a bad day they could have won against a weak team.....but they could not beat the very good Iowa team. 

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5 hours ago, beare said:

yes there a good teaqm but the ncaa seems show them lot favortism. who did they beat this year??? mercer late season game. not to mention in championship game they got away several blows to head got away with a facemask

Dude, Georgia got away with a ridiculous flubbed FG that allowed them to get to over time. THere were plenty of calls that could have gone against Georgia as well. Fukcing second guessers are the worst. Hell man,  the Browns are a 12 - 4 team if only the refs didn't blow so many calls, and we dropped so many balls................ if only  if only......

The fukcing team wins. Favoritism? You mean like the Buckeyes jumping like 5 spots several years ago to get in the final game against FLorida,  or LSU and then get their assses kickd? Or like they did so well last year against Clemson?

I am a buckeye fan, Alabama is a better football team. They always show up in big games. You can't say the same for the Buckeyes. If I was voting on the NCAA for the final 4, I would not have picked OSU either. Not only was there 2 losses, one against a nobody, but then you have to wonder what the hell team is going to show up if you put them in the national spotlight. You take their performancel against Clemson, LSU and FLA,  add one win over Alabama? hey aren't a dependable entity.

 

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4 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

They lost to Oklahoma who was like the #2 or #3 rated team.  And they lost to Iowa...who was by no means a "weak" team.  They were a very good team...but yes, OSU had a very bad day that day.  Even with a bad day they could have won against a weak team.....but they could not beat the very good Iowa team. 

IOWA blows

 

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1 minute ago, Ghoolie said:

Dude, Georgia got away with a ridiculous flubbed FG that allowed them to get to over time. THere were plenty of calls that could have gone against Georgia as well. Fukcing second guessers are the worst. Hell man,  the Browns are a 12 - 4 team if only the refs didn't blow so many calls, and we dropped so many balls................ if only  if only......

The fukcing team wins. Favoritism? You mean like the Buckeyes jumping like 5 spots several years ago to get in the final game against FLorida,  or LSU and then get their assses kickd? Or like they did so well last year against Clemson?

I am a buckeye fan, Alabama is a better football team. They always show up in big games. You can't say the same for the Buckeyes. If I was voting on the NCAA for the final 4, I would not have picked OSU either. Not only was there 2 losses, one against a nobody, but then you have to wonder what the hell team is going to show up if you put them in the national spotlight. You take their performancel against Clemson, LSU and FLA,  add one win over Alabama? hey aren't a dependable entity.

 

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Yeah,   Iowa is a REAL GOOD team. Maybe if you are the Browns.

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On 1/9/2018 at 7:24 AM, boo fagley said:

Georgia dodged a bullet when Bamas kicker missed a 36 yard chip shot FG to seal the game in regulation.

The game wouldnt even have been this close if Bama had a QB. Saban has never had a stud QB to work with.

Bama will just keep being in the national championship because they are the best program in the country.

Correctamundo.  Georgia must have had Bernie Kosar calling plays because as Bernie always did in big games where he had a lead, Georgia was too afraid to put the hammer down.

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1 minute ago, Ghoolie said:

IOWA blows

 

The Buckeyes should not have lost to them, no.  So Shmucking what?  Are you now FRAKING and sucking Saban and Alabama's coccyx now along with any other team that wins often?  FrontRunnerAssKisser.

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Just now, The Gipper said:

The Buckeyes should not have lost to them, no.  So Shmucking what?  Are you now FRAKING and sucking Saban and Alabama's coccyx now along with any other team that wins often?  FrontRunnerAssKisser.

Look you wrinkled asss, powdered wig-wearing, empty docket judge and atty for those convicted of wiping boogers under restaurant tables, giving someone respect for work well done isn't self-deprecating. What IS though, you exemplify by not being able to say anything positive other than schidt about the team you follow. You are like a dumb cuunt in HS who keeps going back to her boyfriend after he smacks the schidt out of her over and over and over.

I am not an Alabama fan, but I am also not a childish dikhed who thinks there is some honor in being a fan of any team.

Alabama is the most successful football program in the NCAA. If you can't admire 5 national titles in 9 years then your gavel has been stuck up your vagina for too long.

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34 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

That has nothing to do with football. 5 national titles in 9 years? I don't know jack squat about him personally, but I sure as hell wish the Buckeyes played at the consistently high level that Alabama does. You don't see Alabama getting blown out in national championships games like Clemson did to OSU, or losing to schidt like IOWA by blowout scores.

This is not a post about likability, it is a post about winning championships. People can complain all they want bout refs, and NCAA favoritism, but nobody forced OSU to lose 2 games to weak teams.

I couldnt give 2 shitz about that A$$hole...

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33 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

Look you wrinkled asss, powdered wig-wearing, empty docket judge and atty for those convicted of wiping boogers under restaurant tables, giving someone respect for work well done isn't self-deprecating. What IS though, you exemplify by not being able to say anything positive other than schidt about the team you follow. You are like a dumb cuunt in HS who keeps going back to her boyfriend after he smacks the schidt out of her over and over and over.

I am not an Alabama fan, but I am also not a childish dikhed who thinks there is some honor in being a fan of any team.

Alabama is the most successful football program in the NCAA. If you can't admire 5 national titles in 9 years then your gavel has been stuck up your vagina for too long.

 

And there you have said it...you have no honor.

And its like you always glom on to the dope cheaters.  First the steroid ridden Steelers...then the HGH ridden Alabama.  You are right....honor is not a part of your equation....just winning by any means.   At least we know where you are coming from.

And, by the way...you can address me as "Your Honor". :o

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HGH ridden Alabama? More like 5***** ridden Alabama. They have more 5***** players than any team in the NCAA bar none. Hell the guy that got burned on defense (Brown) in the first half was considered the best overall player in Texas regardless of position and finally got to play a little more as senior this year. Those guys are just loaded with talent in every position. They won despite missing their very best ILB. Why do they get so many? Because players know that by the time the leave they will be NFL ready. Saban demands it of them.

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18 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

HGH ridden Alabama? More like 5***** ridden Alabama. They have more 5***** players than any team in the NCAA bar none. Hell the guy that got burned on defense (Brown) in the first half was considered the best overall player in Texas regardless of position and finally got to play a little more as senior this year. Those guys are just loaded with talent in every position. They won despite missing their very best ILB. Why do they get so many? Because players know that by the time the leave they will be NFL ready. Saban demands it of them.

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Just checking records Meyer to Tressel and Saban back the same number of years, just FYI......

Rk Year Conf W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
1 2017 Big Ten 12 2 0 .857 21.82 7.89 2 2 5 Urban Meyer (12-2) Cotton Bowl-W  
2 2016 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 18.82 6.59 6 2 6 Urban Meyer (11-2) Fiesta Bowl-L  
3 2015 Big Ten 12 1 0 .923 20.73 3.81 1 1 4 Urban Meyer (12-1) Fiesta Bowl-W  
4 2014 Big Ten 14 1 0 .933 20.44 5.17 5 1 1 Urban Meyer (14-1) Sugar Bowl-W, College Football Championship-W  
5 2013 Big Ten 12 2 0 .857 15.65 1.43 2 2 12 Urban Meyer (12-2) Orange Bowl-L  
6 2012 Big Ten 12 0 0 1.000 13.81 0.89 18 3 3 Urban Meyer (12-0)    
7 2011 Big Ten 6 7 0 .462 4.66 2.97 18 15   Luke Fickell (6-7) Gator Bowl-L  
8 2010 Big Ten 12 1 0 .923 17.37 0.75 2 1 5 Jim Tressel (12-1) Sugar Bowl-W record adjusted to 0-0-0 by NCAA
9 2009 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 14.71 1.71 6 5 5 Jim Tressel (11-2) Rose Bowl-W  
10 2008 Big Ten 10 3 0 .769 13.94 3.87 2 2 9 Jim Tressel (10-3) Fiesta Bowl-L  
11 2007 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 14.84 0.53 11 1 5 Jim Tressel (11-2) BCS Championship-L  
12 2006 Big Ten 12 1 0 .923 18.76 2.07 1 1 2 Jim Tressel (12-1) BCS Championship-L  
13 2005 Big Ten 10 2 0 .833 22.97 8.89 6 4 4 Jim Tressel (10-2) Fiesta Bowl-W  
14 2004 Big Ten 8 4 0 .667 11.31 5.14 9 7 20 Jim Tressel (8-4) Alamo Bowl-W  
15 2003 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 14.00 6.07 2 2 4 Jim Tressel (11-2) Fiesta Bowl-W  
16 2002 Big Ten 14 0 0 1.000 18.13 3.99 13 1 1 Jim Tressel (14-0) Fiesta Bowl-W  
17 2001 Big Ten 7 5 0 .583 8.56 3.73 23 21   Jim Tressel (7-5) Outback Bowl-L
1 2017 SEC 13 1 0 .929 21.25 5.46 1 1 1 Nick Saban (13-1) Sugar Bowl-W, College Football Championship-W  
2 2016 SEC 14 1 0 .933 25.62 7.29 1 1 2 Nick Saban (14-1) Peach Bowl-W, College Football Championship-L  
3 2015 SEC 14 1 0 .933 23.72 7.46 3 1 1 Nick Saban (14-1) Cotton Bowl-W, College Football Championship-W  
4 2014 SEC 12 2 0 .857 20.34 7.27 2 1 4 Nick Saban (12-2) Sugar Bowl-L  
5 2013 SEC 11 2 0 .846 20.06 3.76 1 1 7 Nick Saban (11-2) Sugar Bowl-L  
6 2012 SEC 13 1 0 .929 24.51 5.51 2 1 1 Nick Saban (13-1) BCS Championship-W  
7 2011 SEC 12 1 0 .923 24.44 4.21 2 1 1 Nick Saban (12-1) BCS Championship-W  
8 2010 SEC 10 3 0 .769 18.31 4.69 1 1 10 Nick Saban (10-3) Capital One Bowl-W  
9 2009 SEC 14 0 0 1.000 23.69 6.62 5 1 1 Nick Saban (14-0) BCS Championship-W  
10 2008 SEC 12 2 0 .857 16.15 2.93 24 1 6 Nick Saban (12-2) Sugar Bowl-L  
11 2007 SEC 7 6 0 .538 8.09 4.40   16   Nick Saban (7-6) Independence Bowl-W record adjusted to 2-6-0 by NCAA
12 2006 SEC 6 7 0 .462 5.64 4.03       Mike Shula (6-6), Joe Kines (0-1) Independence Bowl-L record adjusted to 0-7-0 by NCAA
13 2005 SEC 10 2 0 .833 12.89 1.97   4 8 Mike Shula (10-2) Cotton Bowl-W record adjusted to 0-2-0 by NCAA
14 2004 SEC 6 6 0 .500 5.77 0.68       Mike Shula (6-6) Music City Bowl-L  
15 2003 SEC 4 9 0 .308 5.27 7.27   21   Mike Shula (4-9)    
16 2002 SEC 10 3 0 .769 15.80 4.57   9 11 Dennis Franchione (10-3)    
17 2001 SEC 7 5 0 .583 9.66 4.91 25 25   Dennis Franchione (7-5) Independence Bowl-W

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3 hours ago, The Gipper said:

 

And there you have said it...you have no honor.

And its like you always glom on to the dope cheaters.  First the steroid ridden Steelers...then the HGH ridden Alabama.  You are right....honor is not a part of your equation....just winning by any means.   At least we know where you are coming from.

And, by the way...you can address me as "Your Honor". :o

I CAN, but I WON'T. How about Kocksucker?? There you go.!Just like a fahking liberal. The message means nothing to you if you don't like the messenger. You are probably like the 9th circuit axxholes. The law means nothing to you, only the outcome.

Look Kocksucker, YOU are the one with no honor. you are like a fauhking child who can't admit to being wrong. You don't have the ability to put your childish team worship aside to admire someone who has accomplished something good. Always with kocksuckers like you, the person accomplishing great things upsets you, so you start a narrative that even though someone is a winner, you pretend that favoritism, cheating and luck are the only reason for their success.

I can be an OSU fan, see that Alabama is more intense, better disciplined and year after year, a staple of the NCAA football experience.

They are the best team in college football. You have no comeback, kocksucker.

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13 hours ago, The Gipper said:

That is what HGH does...it makes you bigger and faster and stronger than others. DUH!

the Buckeyes play a better schedule than an SEC schedule. They play a Big Ten Schedule...which for a couple of years now has been tougher than an SEC schedule.   If they were to play an SEC schedule, they would have had to drop from playing 9 games against the best league in the game....to 8.....and then use that extra game to schedule like  Stony Brook or The Stetson Hatters.

(but, yes, of course, they have no business losing like that to Iowa)

You can remember 8 Bama coaches?  Ohio St. would have to go back to like WWII to list the last 8 HCs.

 

 

They're already bigger, faster, and stronger coming out of HS. Plus he pushes out non-performers (as Woody has mentioned a million times) so to last all 4-5 years of your eligibility there you HAVE to be good. Not sure why more aren't doing this.

 

No, I've researched it. It goes back to 1961. And the guy prior to that didn't win 10 games, but the 4 prior to him did. So really it's 12 of the last 13 coaches there have had a 10-win season. Incredible. 

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8 hours ago, nickers said:

I couldnt give 2 shitz about that A$$hole...

I am not talking about his personality, morality, ethics, ego or anything eles. I am talking about his football success. No coach in the history of college football, including Paul Brown can match this guy's performance. I don't care if you like him, that isn't wtf we are talking about. The guy wins a hell of a lot more than OSU or anyone else does. 

This bull schidt of calling everyone who is better than Ohio teams cheaters, is a sign of immaturity and stupidity. The players of all teams use performance enhancing drugs. 

Alabama players have a performance enhancing coach, heritage, culture and fire. THe Buckeyes loose stupid games every year because their football culture is soft, lax, undisciplined. These guys get complacent and lazy. hat LSU and Florida both embarassed the Buckeyes in the championship game, and Meyer got embarassed by Clemson, and lost to two weak teams tis year is evident that Ohio State is not on the same level as Saban and the Tide.

I love the Buckeyes, but they have to get with the program.

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15 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

I CAN, but I WON'T. How about Kocksucker?? There you go.!Just like a fahking liberal. The message means nothing to you if you don't like the messenger. You are probably like the 9th circuit axxholes. The law means nothing to you, only the outcome.

Look Kocksucker, YOU are the one with no honor. you are like a fauhking child who can't admit to being wrong. You don't have the ability to put your childish team worship aside to admire someone who has accomplished something good. Always with kocksuckers like you, the person accomplishing great things upsets you, so you start a narrative that even though someone is a winner, you pretend that favoritism, cheating and luck are the only reason for their success.

I can be an OSU fan, see that Alabama is more intense, better disciplined and year after year, a staple of the NCAA football experience.

They are the best team in college football. You have no comeback, kocksucker.

I can admire and respect a team that has done well.    But you go far beyond that.   You glom onto winning programs as if you had been loyal fans of a program/team through thick and thin.  But you are just a bandwagon jumper.   And you show disrespect and disdain for programs that are not at the top of  their game....even if that team is one where you did/should hold loyalty to.  That is being a FRAK.  

And there is nothing wrong with telling it like it is:   Saban was a failure in the Big Ten as HC....he was a failure as the HC of the Dolphins.  If he was such a great coach then why did he not succeed mightily in those spots?   He only succeeded in the SEC.  Why oh why?  

Its like asking....how could a guy who had been the coach of the Hungarian women's swim team with little success all of a sudden go be the coach of the East German women's swim team...and meet with vast success?   Hmm...I wonder why?

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14 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

.......evident that Ohio State is not on the same level as Saban and the Tide.

I love the Buckeyes, but they have to get with the program.

Try reading.  Just go back and look at the recent ALA and OSU records say over the last 17 years (Meyer & Tressel). Just see the above post.

The gold standard .900+ win seasons ALA 6, OSU 6, both have multiple national championships, both top 10 teams, both win their conferences  need more?

Geeezzzus "get with the program". :lol:

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20 hours ago, mjp28 said:

Just checking records Meyer to Tressel and Saban back the same number of years, just FYI......

Rk Year Conf W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
1 2017 Big Ten 12 2 0 .857 21.82 7.89 2 2 5 Urban Meyer (12-2) Cotton Bowl-W  
2 2016 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 18.82 6.59 6 2 6 Urban Meyer (11-2) Fiesta Bowl-L  
3 2015 Big Ten 12 1 0 .923 20.73 3.81 1 1 4 Urban Meyer (12-1) Fiesta Bowl-W  
4 2014 Big Ten 14 1 0 .933 20.44 5.17 5 1 1 Urban Meyer (14-1) Sugar Bowl-W, College Football Championship-W  
5 2013 Big Ten 12 2 0 .857 15.65 1.43 2 2 12 Urban Meyer (12-2) Orange Bowl-L  
6 2012 Big Ten 12 0 0 1.000 13.81 0.89 18 3 3 Urban Meyer (12-0)    
7 2011 Big Ten 6 7 0 .462 4.66 2.97 18 15   Luke Fickell (6-7) Gator Bowl-L  
8 2010 Big Ten 12 1 0 .923 17.37 0.75 2 1 5 Jim Tressel (12-1) Sugar Bowl-W record adjusted to 0-0-0 by NCAA
9 2009 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 14.71 1.71 6 5 5 Jim Tressel (11-2) Rose Bowl-W  
10 2008 Big Ten 10 3 0 .769 13.94 3.87 2 2 9 Jim Tressel (10-3) Fiesta Bowl-L  
11 2007 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 14.84 0.53 11 1 5 Jim Tressel (11-2) BCS Championship-L  
12 2006 Big Ten 12 1 0 .923 18.76 2.07 1 1 2 Jim Tressel (12-1) BCS Championship-L  
13 2005 Big Ten 10 2 0 .833 22.97 8.89 6 4 4 Jim Tressel (10-2) Fiesta Bowl-W  
14 2004 Big Ten 8 4 0 .667 11.31 5.14 9 7 20 Jim Tressel (8-4) Alamo Bowl-W  
15 2003 Big Ten 11 2 0 .846 14.00 6.07 2 2 4 Jim Tressel (11-2) Fiesta Bowl-W  
16 2002 Big Ten 14 0 0 1.000 18.13 3.99 13 1 1 Jim Tressel (14-0) Fiesta Bowl-W  
17 2001 Big Ten 7 5 0 .583 8.56 3.73 23 21   Jim Tressel (7-5) Outback Bowl-L
1 2017 SEC 13 1 0 .929 21.25 5.46 1 1 1 Nick Saban (13-1) Sugar Bowl-W, College Football Championship-W  
2 2016 SEC 14 1 0 .933 25.62 7.29 1 1 2 Nick Saban (14-1) Peach Bowl-W, College Football Championship-L  
3 2015 SEC 14 1 0 .933 23.72 7.46 3 1 1 Nick Saban (14-1) Cotton Bowl-W, College Football Championship-W  
4 2014 SEC 12 2 0 .857 20.34 7.27 2 1 4 Nick Saban (12-2) Sugar Bowl-L  
5 2013 SEC 11 2 0 .846 20.06 3.76 1 1 7 Nick Saban (11-2) Sugar Bowl-L  
6 2012 SEC 13 1 0 .929 24.51 5.51 2 1 1 Nick Saban (13-1) BCS Championship-W  
7 2011 SEC 12 1 0 .923 24.44 4.21 2 1 1 Nick Saban (12-1) BCS Championship-W  
8 2010 SEC 10 3 0 .769 18.31 4.69 1 1 10 Nick Saban (10-3) Capital One Bowl-W  
9 2009 SEC 14 0 0 1.000 23.69 6.62 5 1 1 Nick Saban (14-0) BCS Championship-W  
10 2008 SEC 12 2 0 .857 16.15 2.93 24 1 6 Nick Saban (12-2) Sugar Bowl-L  
11 2007 SEC 7 6 0 .538 8.09 4.40   16   Nick Saban (7-6) Independence Bowl-W record adjusted to 2-6-0 by NCAA
12 2006 SEC 6 7 0 .462 5.64 4.03       Mike Shula (6-6), Joe Kines (0-1) Independence Bowl-L record adjusted to 0-7-0 by NCAA
13 2005 SEC 10 2 0 .833 12.89 1.97   4 8 Mike Shula (10-2) Cotton Bowl-W record adjusted to 0-2-0 by NCAA
14 2004 SEC 6 6 0 .500 5.77 0.68       Mike Shula (6-6) Music City Bowl-L  
15 2003 SEC 4 9 0 .308 5.27 7.27   21   Mike Shula (4-9)    
16 2002 SEC 10 3 0 .769 15.80 4.57   9 11 Dennis Franchione (10-3)    
17 2001 SEC 7 5 0 .583 9.66 4.91 25 25   Dennis Franchione (7-5) Independence Bowl-W

There I made it easier for you.  ;)

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I'm not going to argue how good Saban is as a coach or his dynasty he's made at Alabama.

The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is they've now become the definition of confirmation bias. Yes, when they get there they win but they get the huge advantage of getting to play a a weak schedule. The SEC has been laughably top-heavy for several years now. Outside of this year, Bama's OOC schedule is mediocre, at best for the next 4 years. The SEC has been losing bowls the past several years at a steady clip (5-5 2016, 4-5 2017), but Bama just gets a pass. I know that may come off a bit foolish, but it's alot like any major playoffs-it's all about getting there, and Alabama gets a huge inherent bias that even OSU or other programs don't get.

The point of all this is that 4 teams don't cut the mustard. Move to 8 teams, power 5 winners, G5 highest ranked and two wild cards. #1 and #2 seeds get a bye. If Bama gets through that, I have no qualms about the whole thing.

 

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On 1/9/2018 at 8:24 AM, boo fagley said:

 

Bama will just keep being in the national championship because they are the best program in the country.

When you have 2 road games out-of-conference against top 25 teams in 35 years, well...

Sorry. 8 home games a year. Never go North of Kentucky or West of College Station, unless it's a bowl game.

Totally coddled, with great recruiting and excellent coaching. Schedule an inferior opponent at the end of a league schedule.

Bear Bryant would certainly disagree with Saban.

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On 1/10/2018 at 4:19 PM, Ghoolie said:

That has nothing to do with football. 5 national titles in 9 years? I don't know jack squat about him personally, but I sure as hell wish the Buckeyes played at the consistently high level that Alabama does. You don't see Alabama getting blown out in national championships games like Clemson did to OSU, or losing to schidt like IOWA by blowout scores.

This is not a post about likability, it is a post about winning championships. People can complain all they want bout refs, and NCAA favoritism, but nobody forced OSU to lose 2 games to weak teams.

Hey Goohlie, I kind of agree. 

But when you haven't seen a bikini in 3 or 4 months, and go to a Bowl Game, you could get a tad distracted.  

I do believe Saban has the "it factor" on motivation. Clearly better than the rest of FBS. 

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1 hour ago, Bob806 said:

When you have 2 road games out-of-conference against top 25 teams in 35 years, well...

Sorry. 8 home games a year. Never go North of Kentucky or West of College Station, unless it's a bowl game.

Totally coddled, with great recruiting and excellent coaching. Schedule an inferior opponent at the end of a league schedule.

Bear Bryant would certainly disagree with Saban.

When youre big dog you get to pick the venues.

Like Ghoolie and fistfights only held in Memphis.

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12 hours ago, The Gipper said:

I can admire and respect a team that has done well.    But you go far beyond that.   You glom onto winning programs as if you had been loyal fans of a program/team through thick and thin.  But you are just a bandwagon jumper.   And you show disrespect and disdain for programs that are not at the top of  their game....even if that team is one where you did/should hold loyalty to.  That is being a FRAK.  

And there is nothing wrong with telling it like it is:   Saban was a failure in the Big Ten as HC....he was a failure as the HC of the Dolphins.  If he was such a great coach then why did he not succeed mightily in those spots?   He only succeeded in the SEC.  Why oh why?  

Its like asking....how could a guy who had been the coach of the Hungarian women's swim team with little success all of a sudden go be the coach of the East German women's swim team...and meet with vast success?   Hmm...I wonder why?

Umm, he was successful at Toledo, took over an 0-11 Michigan State team and went 9-2 in his 5th year (these rebuilds took longer back then), and was just fine as an NFL coach.

8 hours ago, jrb12711 said:

I'm not going to argue how good Saban is as a coach or his dynasty he's made at Alabama.

The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is they've now become the definition of confirmation bias. Yes, when they get there they win but they get the huge advantage of getting to play a a weak schedule. The SEC has been laughably top-heavy for several years now. Outside of this year, Bama's OOC schedule is mediocre, at best for the next 4 years. The SEC has been losing bowls the past several years at a steady clip (5-5 2016, 4-5 2017), but Bama just gets a pass. I know that may come off a bit foolish, but it's alot like any major playoffs-it's all about getting there, and Alabama gets a huge inherent bias that even OSU or other programs don't get.

The point of all this is that 4 teams don't cut the mustard. Move to 8 teams, power 5 winners, G5 highest ranked and two wild cards. #1 and #2 seeds get a bye. If Bama gets through that, I have no qualms about the whole thing.

 

This is such a bad argument. The Bucks lost to Clemson 31-0 just LAST YEAR. It didn't take any confirmation bias to see them get trounced and Bama play a tight game against them the next week, then to see Bama blow them out on New Years Day this year. I don't see why this is so hard to understand? 

3 hours ago, Bob806 said:

When you have 2 road games out-of-conference against top 25 teams in 35 years, well...

Sorry. 8 home games a year. Never go North of Kentucky or West of College Station, unless it's a bowl game.

Totally coddled, with great recruiting and excellent coaching. Schedule an inferior opponent at the end of a league schedule.

Bear Bryant would certainly disagree with Saban.

You really think if Alabama went and played at Washington State or something, they'd lose? You serious? So when they beat Michigan 42-14 in Dallas, somehow if they played in Ann Arbor, they'd lose? They blow Florida State out in Atlanta, but if it were in Tallahassee, they'd lose? Beat Wisconsin by 18 in Dallas, but if it were in Madison, they'd lose? Get real.

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3 hours ago, Bob806 said:

Hey Goohlie, I kind of agree. 

But when you haven't seen a bikini in 3 or 4 months, and go to a Bowl Game, you could get a tad distracted.  

I do believe Saban has the "it factor" on motivation. Clearly better than the rest of FBS. 

Bob, I love the Buckeyes, but this nitpicking about comparing schedules, venues , etc, is just that, nitpicking. 

It is idiotic to think that any 2 teams will meet and not have debatable 8ů absolute top echalon. Buckeyes are chasingn them.

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6 hours ago, wargograw said:

 

This is such a bad argument. The Bucks lost to Clemson 31-0 just LAST YEAR. It didn't take any confirmation bias to see them get trounced and Bama play a tight game against them the next week, then to see Bama blow them out on New Years Day this year. I don't see why this is so hard 

Oh I don't know, maybe it has to do with the fact that teams, especially in college football, aren't the same year to year? And arguing that a team would beat someone based on past season performance is literally the textbook definition of confirmation bias?

God you've been saying dumb Sheet lately. Maybe just take a break. 

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Year in and year out you don't see a Saban team ever blown out by anyone. It's as rare as a Himalayan Snow Leopard. And you see a "Program" that adds top of the heap talent from states all over the map year in and year out. Meyer is close to that, but just a shade under. And just when I think I have Saban pegged, he goes out on a limb the second half with an unknown (to me) freshman QB from Hawaii to win the game. Not just any game. The National Championship game. That gentlemen, is what I call balls.

EDIT: One other important factor I see- Adaptability.   JM beat him with his arm and legs in Tuscaloosa in 2012 and then put up 5 TD's and over 500 yds against him in 2013. Saban bitched and moaned about it a lot because he hates being bested in any way. But then he went out and got himself two back to back dual threat QBs and adapted his offense to take advantage of those JFF-like skills they brought with them. You just saw the end result in the playoffs this year. Un-f'n-real.

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On 1/10/2018 at 12:07 AM, hoorta said:

The Hoorta short scouting report: After that game, I've soured on Chubb. Didn't notice much of Fitzpatrick. Ridley will be gone by the time we pick #33. 

It is rare that a RB doesn't look like garbage against Bama. If you based Fournette's draft position on his performances against them, you would have him as a UDFA. 

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8 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Bob, I love the Buckeyes, but this nitpicking about comparing schedules, venues , etc, is just that, nitpicking. 

It is idiotic to think that any 2 teams will meet and not have debatable 8ů absolute top echalon. Buckeyes are chasingn them.

Nitpicking? Bull-shet it's the freakin records! Since EBRUCE and JCOOP left the Buckeyes have been one of the elite teams over the last 17 years. ALA & OSU's records have been nearly identical.  The big ones .900+ win seasons and national championships. 

Nitpicking?  :lol:

 

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9 hours ago, wargograw said:

Umm, he was successful at Toledo, took over an 0-11 Michigan State team and went 9-2 in his 5th year (these rebuilds took longer back then), and was just fine as an NFL coach.

This is such a bad argument. The Bucks lost to Clemson 31-0 just LAST YEAR. It didn't take any confirmation bias to see them get trounced and Bama play a tight game against them the next week, then to see Bama blow them out on New Years Day this year. I don't see why this is so hard to understand? 

You really think if Alabama went and played at Washington State or something, they'd lose? You serious? So when they beat Michigan 42-14 in Dallas, somehow if they played in Ann Arbor, they'd lose? They blow Florida State out in Atlanta, but if it were in Tallahassee, they'd lose? Beat Wisconsin by 18 in Dallas, but if it were in Madison, they'd lose? Get real.

Totally misinterpreting things grasshopper.

I'm not going to go full Buckeye homer here. Like Ghoolie wrote, the Buckeyes are chasing Alabama, it cannot be denied, even though OSU rallied from a 21-6 deficit and beat the Tide with Cardale Jones in the last meeting :D

This is why I am not totally all-in on college football. It's impossible to have 125+ teams play each other, so perception is a big part of it. Almost like Olympic Ice skating. How in the hell was Ohio State ranked #2 in the nation in the preseason poll, after losing 31-0 to Clemson and a combination of defecting for the draft and graduation, losing about 14 starters? 

So you are denying the simple fact that Alabama doesn't need to test itself in an actual non-conference road game? Most of the perceived elite programs do it, why can't Alabama? Why can't Florida (not elite now, but they NEVER travel)?

Would Alabama lose at Washington State? Probably not, but the odds increase. Would they lose in Madison to Wisconsin? - I wouldn't bet against it happening. 

 

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