mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1964 season Eastern Conference Team W L T PCT PF PA Cleveland Browns 10 3 1 .769 415 293 St. Louis Cardinals 9 3 2 .750 357 331 Philadelphia Eagles 6 8 0 .429 312 313 Washington Redskins 6 8 0 .429 307 305 Dallas Cowboys 5 8 1 .385 250 289 Pittsburgh Steelers 5 9 0 .357 253 315 New York Giants 2 10 2 .167 241 399 Western Conference Team W L T PCT PF PA Baltimore Colts 12 2 0 .857 428 225 Green Bay Packers 8 5 1 .615 342 245 Minnesota Vikings 8 5 1 .615 355 296 Detroit Lions 7 5 2 .583 280 260 Los Angeles Rams 5 7 2 .417 283 339 Chicago Bears 5 9 0 .357 260 379 San Francisco 49ers 4 10 0 .286 236 330 Back then your chances of being in the championship game are 1 in 7 in each division not 1 in 16 and after going through several rounds of elimination games. Plus if you were among the top one or two maybe three at most teams in each division is was much easier to play for the NFL CHAMPIONSHIP. Seven teams wouldn't even make up 2/3 of either the AFC or NFC, it's grueling now compared to then to win the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 23 hours ago, mjp28 said: THE MONDAY UPDATE from vegasinsider.com NFL Future Odds ODDS TO WIN 2017-18 SUPER BOWL LII (2/4/18) Team Odds New England Patriots 7/4 Minnesota Vikings 7/2 Pittsburgh Steelers 11/2 New Orleans Saints 6/1 Atlanta Falcons 15/2 Philadelphia Eagles 12/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 16/1 Tennessee Titans 40/1 ODDS TO WIN 2017-18 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP (7/21/18) Team Odds New England Patriots 4/7 Pittsburgh Steelers 9/4 Jacksonville Jaguars 8/1 Tennessee Titans 25/1 ODDS TO WIN 2017-18 NFC CHAMPIONSHIP (7/21/18) Team Odds Minnesota Vikings 7/5 New Orleans Saints 11/4 Atlanta Falcons 15/4 Philadelphia Eagles 5/1 The AFC looks like it's between our favorites the Belichick Bombers and the steelrz......but look out for the Jags. The NFC looks a bit more up in the air. NE vs MIN Super Bowl LII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 hours ago, mjp28 said: 1964 season Eastern Conference Team W L T PCT PF PA Cleveland Browns 10 3 1 .769 415 293 St. Louis Cardinals 9 3 2 .750 357 331 Philadelphia Eagles 6 8 0 .429 312 313 Washington Redskins 6 8 0 .429 307 305 Dallas Cowboys 5 8 1 .385 250 289 Pittsburgh Steelers 5 9 0 .357 253 315 New York Giants 2 10 2 .167 241 399 Western Conference Team W L T PCT PF PA Baltimore Colts 12 2 0 .857 428 225 Green Bay Packers 8 5 1 .615 342 245 Minnesota Vikings 8 5 1 .615 355 296 Detroit Lions 7 5 2 .583 280 260 Los Angeles Rams 5 7 2 .417 283 339 Chicago Bears 5 9 0 .357 260 379 San Francisco 49ers 4 10 0 .286 236 330 Back then your chances of being in the championship game are 1 in 7 in each division not 1 in 16 and after going through several rounds of elimination games. Plus if you were among the top one or two maybe three at most teams in each division is was much easier to play for the NFL CHAMPIONSHIP. Uh....fuyuck NO. ONLY the TOP ONE made the postseason...see below. Seven teams wouldn't even make up 2/3 of either the AFC or NFC, it's grueling now compared to then to win the championship. For a team than to have had the same chance as now, they would have had to have had 6 teams make the playoffs. You are also forgetting the AFL. There were 14 teams in the NFL....and 8 more in the AFL...a total of 22 teams, and only 4 made the playoffs EastBuffalo Bills*1220.85740024215811.3-1.49.94.65.3Boston Patriots1031.769365297684.9-0.64.32.61.7New York Jets581.385278315-37-2.60.3-2.3-3.61.3Houston Oilers4100.286310355-45-3.20.4-2.8-0.8-2.0WestSan Diego Chargers*851.615341300412.9-0.42.60.91.7Kansas City Chiefs770.500366306604.3-0.53.82.81.0Oakland Raiders572.417303350-47-3.40.4-2.9-1.4-1.6Denver Broncos2111.154240438-198-14.11.8-12.4-5.1-7.3 So that brings it up to 18% of teams who make the playoffs, compared to 37.5 today. If you don't get in, you cannont win. To illustrate it more dramatically.....IF the rules about making the playoffs were the same as they were in those days NONE of the following teams would have ever won the Super Bowl.... 1980 Raiders 1997 Broncos 2000 Ravens 2005 Steelers 2007 Giants 2010 Packers If you don't get in...you can't win...and these teams would have NEVER made the playoffs....and would never had a chance to win the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 You're reinforcing what I said 6 of 51 Super bowls were won by wild card teams out of 32 teams not 14 , much harder to even make it to the final two now. Maybe we should set up a poll on this one and let everyone vote? Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, mjp28 said: You're reinforcing what I said 6 of 51 Super bowls were won by wild card teams out of 32 teams not 14 , much harder to even make it to the final two now. Maybe we should set up a poll on this one and let everyone vote? Eh? No, polls like that are for fuyucking idjits. And, again...you are ignoring your own question, which is: Is it harder to win a championship now than then. Which question has to take into account the path that one must run to win that title. That path is now MUCH wider...and much easier to get on....even if it takes longer to negotiate that path. Like the lottery...you can't win if you don't buy a ticket. A lot more teams are now allowed to buy tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Quote Back then your chances of being in the championship game are 1 in 7 in each division not 1 in 16 and after going through several rounds of elimination games. Plus if you were among the top one or two maybe three at most teams in each division is was much easier to play for the NFL CHAMPIONSHIP. Uh....fuyuck NO. ONLY the TOP ONE made the postseason...see below. Yes only the TOP ONE makes it in either 7 or 16......which is harder 7 or 16? Geeezzz Gip you talk like a lawyer or judge. (I've known quite a few, my brother and cousin were both baliffs while going to law school, my one brother's godfather was a judge, my neighbor in my last house was a judge, one brother did political signs for about 20 years many judges were clients, one guy and later his son who lived across the street were/are judges......and the real test I used to golf with lawyers, some were sitting judges, one cheated like hekl, but he was a relative ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, mjp28 said: Uh....fuyuck NO. ONLY the TOP ONE made the postseason...see below. Yes only the TOP ONE makes it in either 7 or 16......which is harder 7 or 16? 1 out of 7 is a LOT harder than 6 out of 16.... Geeezzz Gip you talk like a lawyer or judge. By which you mean I talk sense and not nonsense, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Uh....fuyuck NO. ONLY the TOP ONE made the postseason...see below. Yes only the TOP ONE makes it in either 7 or 16......which is harder 7 or 16? 1 out of 7 is a LOT harder than 6 out of 16.... Geeezzz Gip you talk like a lawyer or judge. By which you mean I talk sense and not nonsense, yes. NO, it's 1/7 or 1/16 each year, the 6 were wild cards over the WC era! (Oh and the of the 6 playoff teams only 1 still makes it in) ........oh and I still like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, mjp28 said: NO, it's 1/7 or 1/16 each year, the 6 were wild cards over the WC era! (Oh and the of the 6 playoff teams only 1 still makes it in) ........oh and I still like you. But....again....it is an easier path to get there. If you are a WC...you have a chance to win the SB......6 have done it since 1980. And 5 have done it the last 20 years. That is 1/4th of all winners. If you don't get in you chances of NOT winning the SB are exactly 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, The Gipper said: But....again....it is an easier path to get there. If you are a WC...you have a chance to win the SB......6 have done it since 1980. And 5 have done it the last 20 years. That is 1/4th of all winners. If you don't get in you chances of NOT winning the SB are exactly 100%. Easier path through a series of physically draining games and after a 16 game season not 12 or 14 to end up with two teams? I don't think so. Motion to adjourn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Oh FYI for what it's worth, I remember when this game was played for pride AND supplimental cash for the players......and after the Super Bowl. Now it's like does anybody have a helmet and want to play? 01/28 3:00 PM 497 AFC 498 NFC 51½u-10 PK -10 51½u-10 -2½ -10 TV: ESPN, DTV: 206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, mjp28 said: Easier path through a series of physically draining games and after a 16 game season not 12 or 14 to end up with two teams? I don't think so. Motion to adjourn! Not adjourn, dismiss. Your case is dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, The Gipper said: Not adjourn, dismiss. Your case is dismissed. Oh. What is MOTION TO ADJOURN? the term that is given to the proposal to end a meeting or a session of court. Do you drive your wife nuts too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, mjp28 said: Oh. What is MOTION TO ADJOURN? the term that is given to the proposal to end a meeting or a session of court. Do you drive your wife nuts too? I know what a motion to adjourn is....and what a dismissal is. Adjournment means a temporary recess. Dismissal means your position is denied...and will not be reconsidered or brought back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 NFL SPREAD 01/13 4:35 PM 301 Atlanta 302 Philadelphia -3 -05 44u-15 -3 -10 41u-10 -3 EV 41u-10 -3 EV 41½u-10 -3 EV 41½u-10 -3 EV 41u-10 -2½ -20 41u-10 -3 EV 41½u-10 -3 -05 41u-12 Picks PHI-QB-Carson Wentz-OUT | TV: NBC 01/13 8:15 PM 303 Tennessee 304 New England 47u-10 -13½ -20 47u-10 -13½ -10 47u-10 -13½ -10 47½u-10 -13 -10 47u-10 -13½ -10 47½u-10 -13½ -10 47½u-10 -13½ -10 47u-10 -13½ -10 47u-10 -13½ -05 Picks TV: CBS 01/14 1:05 PM 305 Jacksonville 306 Pittsburgh 40½u-10 -7½ -05 41u-10 -7½ -10 41u-10 -7½ EV 41u-10 -7½ -05 41u-10 -7½ -10 41u-10 -7½ -10 40½u-10 -7 -20 40½u-10 -7½ EV 41u-10 -7½ +10 Picks PIT-WR-Antonio Brown-Probable | TV: CBS 01/14 4:40 PM 307 New Orleans 308 Minnesota 45u-10 -3½ -05 45½u-10 -4 -10 45½u-10 -4 -10 45½u-10 -4 -20 45u-10 -4 -10 45u-10 -4 -10 45u-10 -4 -10 45½u-10 -4½ -10 45½o-11 -4 -10 Picks MIN-RB-Dalvin Cook-OUT | TV: FOX 01/28 3:00 PM 497 AFC 498 NFC 51½u-10 PK -10 51½u-10 -2½ -10 TV: ESPN, DTV: 206 Updated: Wed, Jan 10 11:50 AM EDT NOTES: Open Line: Consists of the first betting line received from one of our Las Vegas or Online sportsbooks. VI Consensus: Consists of the current betting line which occurs most frequently among our list of Las Vegas and Online sportsbooks. All Game Times are Eastern Standard Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 1:32 PM, dawg2fan said: My wife's family would argue that any Championship before the SuperBowl era does not count. So, everything the Browns won before that era does not count, regardless of how much I try to argue. So to put it mildy, they even have me believing that our wins don't count. It's sick, but that's the way it is. That's stupid. If they don't count the Steelers titles in the 70s don't count either on account of how fully 1/8 of the league was not in existence at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said: That's stupid. If they don't count the Steelers titles in the 70s don't count either on account of how fully 1/8 of the league was not in existence at that time No need to be concerned about what stupid Steeler fan thinks....they ALL count. Yes, while they all count.....I say this over and over again: the only ones that matter are the last one and the next one. Every other one is just part of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 Updated odds from vegasinsider.com...... ODDS TO WIN 2017-18 SUPER BOWL LII (2/4/18) Team Odds New England Patriots 7/4 Minnesota Vikings 7/2 Pittsburgh Steelers 11/2 New Orleans Saints 6/1 Atlanta Falcons 15/2 Philadelphia Eagles 12/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 16/1 Tennessee Titans 40/1 ODDS TO WIN 2017-18 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP (7/21/18) Team Odds New England Patriots 4/7 Pittsburgh Steelers 9/4 Jacksonville Jaguars 8/1 Tennessee Titans 25/1 ODDS TO WIN 2017-18 NFC CHAMPIONSHIP (7/21/18) Team Odds Minnesota Vikings 27/20 New Orleans Saints 11/4 Atlanta Falcons 15/4 Philadelphia Eagles 4/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 After last night the Pats do seem a prohibitive favorite. I mean, could Brady be the GOAT? Even over Jim Brown and Jerry Rice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: After last night the Pats do seem a prohibitive favorite. I mean, could Brady be the GOAT? Even over Jim Brown and Jerry Rice? Wow those are seriously big words......but might be TRUE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Steelers chance of winning the Super Bowl effing zero. Die matafakas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, The Gipper said: Steelers chance of winning the Super Bowl if you CK zero. Die motherShmucker's Now if NO can knock off MIN? That will shaKe things up. And JAX at NE, what will that spread be? I'm guessing NE -8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 18 hours ago, mjp28 said: Now if NO can knock off MIN? That will shaKe things up. And JAX at NE, what will that spread be? I'm guessing NE -8. I think I would prefer to see Minnesota win. They have never won a championship and New Orleans at least had one six or eight years ago I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: I think I would prefer to see Minnesota win. They have never won a championship and New Orleans at least had one six or eight years agoI think I would prefer to see Minnesota win. They have never won a championship and New Orleans at least had one six or eight years ago Well I picked MIN -4 FWIW, 17-0 late 2nd looking pretty good, shutting down Drew Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, mjp28 said: Well I picked MIN -4 FWIW, 17-0 late 2nd looking pretty good, shutting down Drew Brees. Just 1 stat: they never received more than 19 points at home this year. Man, it is looking ugly for the Saints! What a great team Minnesota is. Everyone has contributed so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mjp28 said: Now if NO can knock off MIN? That will shaKe things up. And JAX at NE, what will that spread be? I'm guessing NE -8. Some real early numbers: AFC Championship Game Sunday, Jan. 21 3:05 p.m. PATRIOTS -9.5 Jaguars Odds to win AFC Championship Patriots 2/1 Jaguars 10/1......whoa not even close! NFC Championship Game Sunday, Jan. 21 6:40 p.m. Vikings -3 EAGLES or Saints -2.5 EAGLES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, mjp28 said: Well I picked MIN -4 FWIW, 17-0 late 2nd looking pretty good, shutting down Drew Brees. NO SAINTS 24 MIN VIKINGS 23 Final........oooops last play MIN 29 NO 24 Geeezzzus H Christmas, nevermind. (saved my perfect 4-0 weekend) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 6th grade DB 101-tackle the player with your head up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, mjp28 said: NO SAINTS 24 MIN VIKINGS 23 Final........oooops last play MIN 29 NO 24 Geeezzzus H Christmas, nevermind. (saved my perfect 4-0 weekend) What the hell was that. Last play was unbelievable!! Saints #43 will remember it his entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Is Dwayne Rudd the only player ever penalized for taking off a helmet? Saw at least 2 Vikings do it on that last play. Wow 43. Hope his team mates don't destroy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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