The Gipper Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: Not intentionally. What else is there to say? The problem with rosen is who he is as a person.Lacks social skills, leadership, intangibles, athleticism, selfish, arrogant, divisive - and he does not want to play for the Browns - he wants the easy street team that has all the talent. He SUCKS and he's been sucking as a human being for most of his spoiled life. I'm just not impressed. I don't care about "terrific pocket passer" when he alienates half a city, half his teammates, gets in fights in the lockeroom, and gives the finger to his own fans when they boo him. Or, you can look for a real qb. That's all there is to it. On my list of qb's. .... maybe Allen doesn't do well in the senior bowl - that would be very telling - more a project to warrant a high pick - and the Browns will trade down if they don't want to pick Darnold, either, and get a project later. If that is what they decide, I'm good with that. You will be good with whomever they take...because you have no choice otherwise...unless you want to turn into Glommie and then just glom on to the flavor team of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 55 minutes ago, The Gipper said: You will be good with whomever they take...because you have no choice otherwise...unless you want to turn into Glommie and then just glom on to the flavor team of the time. Oh, hell no. You all know I'm far more stubborn than that. Why, if I'm wrong and they pick..."snicker" ....rosen, why, I won't bitch or complain one time. Just that if he ever does surprise and do anything good... I won't admit it, quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: Oh, hell no. You all know I'm far more stubborn than that. Why, if I'm wrong and they pick..."snicker" ....rosen, why, I won't bitch or complain one time. Just that if he ever does surprise and do anything good... I won't admit it, quietly. LOL... fair enough. Same deal for me if it's Allen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 44 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: Oh, hell no. You all know I'm far more stubborn than that. Why, if I'm wrong and they pick..."snicker" ....rosen, why, I won't bitch or complain one time. Just that if he ever does surprise and do anything good... I won't admit it, quietly. And no one will have cared about what your opinion was of him now, will they? (hell...no one NOW cares what your opinion is of him...fair to say?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: LOL... fair enough. Same deal for me if it's Allen... And I don't give a crapola if it is either of them. I just want a QB that can win. Its just that the reports about Allen's quarterbacking skills are particularly bad. If the same were true about Rosen....it would be the same deal for him. (Can I assume that Rosen is not participating in the Senior bowl...because he is not a Senior? Or can anyone who has declared for the draft participate in that?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, hoorta said: Subject to change Tour- this is how I have the "field" ranked now. 1) Darnold 2 Mayfield (OK, he does look like a midget standing next to Allen- glad he measured 6'+ a hair) 3 Rosen (injury concerns) 4 Rudolph 5 Allen 6 Jackson 7 Benkert Can't remember Who Da Fuq argued with me there that Baker would check in around 6'1-6'2 without cleats and helmet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, hoorta said: Subject to change Tour- 7 Benkert Watch Benkert to get a hard look Now at Cardinals..Zona just hired HC Steve Wilks yesterday(he'll be a great coach of men imo) The 1st guy Wilks wanted to thank was Ruffin McNeil..HC Ruffin McNeil with OC Lincoln Riley at ECU was the 2 that recuited Benkert hard to ECU. Benkert blew knee at ECU. McNeil got fired at ECU(senseless, new AD)..Benkert transfers to Virginia 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: I just hope the Browns scouts are down there taking notes. Do you know who from the Browns is in attendance at the Senior Bowl? saw hue & Dorsey day 1 in stands.. day 2 Wolfe & Dorsey..imo, Dorsey can't wait to grade these scouts scorecards..Expect more scouts to go when work is final after combine 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: (Can I assume that Rosen is not participating in the Senior bowl...because he is not a Senior? Or can anyone who has declared for the draft participate in that?) Rosen not a senior & Rosen or doctors not a big fan of bowl games either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Can't remember Who Da Fuq argued with me there that Baker would check in around 6'1-6'2 without cleats and helmet.... stillmotion was hot and heavy for Mayfield for a bit, it could have been him(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: And I don't give a crapola if it is either of them. I just want a QB that can win. Its just that the reports about Allen's quarterbacking skills are particularly bad. If the same were true about Rosen....it would be the same deal for him. (Can I assume that Rosen is not participating in the Senior bowl...because he is not a Senior? Or can anyone who has declared for the draft participate in that?) That's probably something that probably should be looked at Gipper. Rosen, Fitzpatrick, Barkley, and Darnold weren't eligible because they weren't "Seniors". Not that they would have attended. Mayfield was the first senior Heisman winner to show up in a long time. It would sort of open up a pandora's box though. The list of underclass early entries to the NFL draft is rather large... Instead of calling it the Senior Bowl I suppose we could resurrect "College All Star Game". http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000908163/article/list-of-underclassmen-granted-eligibility-for-2018-nfl-draft Allen was eligible though "technically" a junior- he graduated in December. 2 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Can't remember Who Da Fuq argued with me there that Baker would check in around 6'1-6'2 without cleats and helmet.... Wasn't me Tia- think I only argued the crowd who claimed Mayfield was 5'10" would be wrong... As is- his real measured NFL height and stated college height (6'1") was only 5\8" off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 13 hours ago, hoorta said: That's probably something that probably should be looked at Gipper. Rosen, Fitzpatrick, Barkley, and Darnold weren't eligible because they weren't "Seniors". Not that they would have attended. Mayfield was the first senior Heisman winner to show up in a long time. It would sort of open up a pandora's box though. The list of underclass early entries to the NFL draft is rather large... Instead of calling it the Senior Bowl I suppose we could resurrect "College All Star Game". http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000908163/article/list-of-underclassmen-granted-eligibility-for-2018-nfl-draft Allen was eligible though "technically" a junior- he graduated in December. Wasn't me Tia- think I only argued the crowd who claimed Mayfield was 5'10" would be wrong... As is- his real measured NFL height and stated college height (6'1") was only 5\8" off. What about the other "all star" games....like the East-West Shrine game. Can non-Seniors participate in those? (and I assume that it is heavily scouted as well?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 hours ago, gumby73 said: imo, Dorsey can't wait to grade these scouts scorecards..Expect more scouts to go when work is final after combine Oh Boy! Get that group-think started early! 15 hours ago, hoorta said: That's probably something that probably should be looked at Gipper. Rosen, Fitzpatrick, Barkley, and Darnold weren't eligible because they weren't "Seniors". Players who stick it out for four (or five) years deserve (and need) their own showcase. Love that Savage & Co. dig deep in Div's 2 and 3 for prospects to invite that otherwise would get no light cast upon them. Could start a "Junior Bowl" I guess. With 130 underclassmen certified by the NFL as draft eligible they ought to be able to field a couple teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Oh Boy! Get that group-think started early! Players who stick it out for four (or five) years deserve (and need) their own showcase. Love that Savage & Co. dig deep in Div's 2 and 3 for prospects to invite that otherwise would get no light cast upon them. Could start a "Junior Bowl" I guess. With 130 underclassmen certified by the NFL as draft eligible they ought to be able to field a couple teams. Regarding Savage digging deep that OL guy from D III Humboldt definitely got some love... http://www.hsujacks.com/news/2017/11/27/football-alex-cappa-invited-to-2018-reeses-senior-bowl.aspx He was rag-dolling guys in his college tape... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 He ain't ragdolling Edge players this week. Definitely a "project" OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Nice tweet thread full of Rosen clips... highlights and lowlights from throughout the entire 2017 season. As you scroll past each one it plays once automatically. A few of them are Darnold clips for contrast. Don't know the poster, but he posted one interesting stat comparison with Darnold: " Rosen threw 8 of his 10 Ints when UCLA was losing. Darnold only threw 4 of his 13 Ints when USC was losing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Nice tweet thread full of Rosen clips... highlights and lowlights from throughout the entire 2017 season. As you scroll past each one it plays once automatically. A few of them are Darnold clips for contrast. Don't know the poster, but he posted one interesting stat comparison with Darnold: " Rosen threw 8 of his 10 Ints when UCLA was losing. Darnold only threw 4 of his 13 Ints when USC was losing." Interesting stat. I'm sure a factor in this was usc wasn't losing that often during the season compared to UCLA. they had a better team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 13 hours ago, SD_Tom said: Interesting stat. I'm sure a factor in this was usc wasn't losing that often during the season compared to UCLA. they had a better team Point taken... more time with the lead means more opportunity to throw INTs with the lead, but... ... the point of care with the ball when in the lead vs. trailing is still valid and in light of the above is reinforced by the INT totals alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Can't wait for the combine and pro days to see how it starts sorting itself out. Most felt Rosen looked better head to head when they played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Ditto... but Combine and Pro days are just confirmation tools for me. I know I'm just a rank amateur, but this is the clearest cut, on-field evaluation I have seen since Andrew Luck's class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 17 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Ditto... but Combine and Pro days are just confirmation tools for me. I know I'm just a rank amateur, but this is the clearest cut, on-field evaluation I have seen since Andrew Luck's class. So you're a Rosen guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I'm really impressed by that Ryan McCrystal analysis. I really hope our GM evaluates the same way. The browns are going to fall in love with one or two of these guys for sure. It's that time of year where every hot girl comes to the dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I know I'm just a rank amateur, but this is the clearest cut, on-field evaluation I have seen since Andrew Luck's class. So you're a Rosen guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 6 hours ago, SD_Tom said: So you're a Rosen guy? Yup... have been since I first started seeing him... and then I looked. Since then every other candidate I've looked at has paled in comparison. It's actually made it hard to put in the work on some of them. But now that I'm trying to rank the also-rans, I'm having to force myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Yup... have been since I first started seeing him... and then I looked. Since then every other candidate I've looked at has paled in comparison. It's actually made it hard to put in the work on some of them. But now that I'm trying to rank the also-rans, I'm having to force myself. Pure talent Tour, I'd have Rosen at the top of my board too. Those concussions give me the heebie jeebies. Why I have him #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Yup... have been since I first started seeing him... and then I looked. Since then every other candidate I've looked at has paled in comparison. It's actually made it hard to put in the work on some of them. But now that I'm trying to rank the also-rans, I'm having to force myself. Nice. The several games I've seen, he just looks like an NFL QB. Beautiful spirals in tight windows. Hits guys in stride. Moves defenders with his eyes and shoulder fakes. And he can scramble. He had more dropped passes than the others by far. Add in the fact that he's very smart, and he should be able to pick up the playbook fairly quickly. People that rag on him cuz he's from money.... Darnold's from San Juan Capistrano. Look at a damn map. It's a very nice section of Orange County, and I can assure you it's not the inner city slums of Cleveland or Detroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, SD_Tom said: People that rag on him cuz he's from money. Yeah... and "hot tub"... I think a lot of folks have missed the $$$ cherry on top with Rosen. He said in an interview that he'd be willing to play for league minimum so the team could afford to pay other talent. I chuckled when I read that, but to any extent that he does not walk that back when the time comes will be gravy for any team he joins. One of the Pat's secrets for success (among many) has been that Brady has always restructured his deal for far less than his "fair-value" so they can afford other talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 19 hours ago, SD_Tom said: Nice. The several games I've seen, he just looks like an NFL QB. Beautiful spirals in tight windows. Hits guys in stride. Moves defenders with his eyes and shoulder fakes. And he can scramble. He had more dropped passes than the others by far. Add in the fact that he's very smart, and he should be able to pick up the playbook fairly quickly. People that rag on him cuz he's from money.... Darnold's from San Juan Capistrano. Look at a damn map. It's a very nice section of Orange County, and I can assure you it's not the inner city slums of Cleveland or Detroit I stayed a week in Capistrano BeachI stayed a week in Capistrano Beach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 God, I love Rosen... Jesse Fritsch @CalhounLambeau Rosen on his love for football: "I quit a sport because I didn't love it. Why would I go to another sport I don't like? I love football. I love putting massive, obnoxiously large state rings on my finger." 8:08 AM - 28 Jan 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie#1fan Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 1:55 PM, Tour2ma said: Yup... have been since I first started seeing him... and then I looked. Since then every other candidate I've looked at has paled in comparison. It's actually made it hard to put in the work on some of them. But now that I'm trying to rank the also-rans, I'm having to force myself. So when Rosen doesn't want to play for Browns, or turns in to Ryan Leaf? I wouldn't even consider him if I'm Cleaveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 18 hours ago, Ghoolie#1fan said: I wouldn't even consider him if I'm Cleaveland. Given the judgement your screen name reveals... I am not surprised. Cleaveland.... Home of the Cleavers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Given the judgement your screen name reveals... I am not surprised. Cleaveland.... Home of the Cleavers... Mayfield, actually. A suburb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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