Tour2ma Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 22 hours ago, stillmotion said: If Rosen does NOT want to be in Cleveland, you are trying to make him come here and force him to like it? Force? No... but hopefully have teh best prospect in the draft come to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 20 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Given the amount of passing attempts asked of him, coupled with a shaky Oline and questionable receivers - his 4th quarter stats would argue against "bad under pressure". That plus seeing Rosen stand in and deliver in the face of pressure. 9 hours ago, jiggins7919 said: Can anybody name the San Francisco weapons? Hyde and Breida in the backfield... Goodwin and Taylor at WR (plus Garcon pre-IR)... Kittle and Celek, two solid 2-way TEs. Plus a developing D that finished well ahead of ours statistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 15 hours ago, RoyceRolls said: This tangerine tower of salt-cured cat diks has worn out his welcome. lmao... one of the better turns of phrase in a long while... 16 hours ago, calfoxwc said: "snowflakes" melt when they are disagreed with. That's all. Must be why yu never have to resort to name-calling... that plus that's where you begin... No one plays the victim like our Princess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: Everyone has an opinion....Tour is chewing on this guys pud. Cal is chewing on Allen's pud. Some are chewing on Darnold's pud. Others are chewing on Mayfield's pud. Yup... we all have our favorites. Actually have done some work to develop our takes. Actually have some talent, some capacity to do the work. Unlike you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 It's Groundhog Day! Can I honestly ask you guys something? How many times do you have to stand in line for the same fukcing thing before you say to yourselves.........."hey, we have already seen this schidt?" Here you are talking about the draft and the playoffs have not even started. Here you are believing that taking a few kids in the draft is somehow going to impact a 0 - 16 schidt team and turn it around. WTF is wrong with you people? How man times do you need to be kicked in the nuts to realize you are again standing in the line to get kicked in the nuts? Common sense dictates that the 2018 Browns will be just as bad as the 2017 Browns, slightly worse than the 2016 version.. Here is what matters. Haslam calls the shots on drafting and yileds to De-pud-duster. Haslam calls the shots on the head coach Hue Jackson is not going to magically be a good coach because of an OC. He has not tightened discipline and execution one iota in 2 years. He will not do so in 2018. The man is incompetent Dorkey has already shown that he is NOT someone who can shake up a system, but instead another Holmgren/Sewage "yes massah, whatever you say massah" puppet. Throwing a few new kids into this mix isn't going to change schidt. I doesn't matter who we draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Decent article: https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-deep-ball-accuracy-josh-rosen-best-bunch/amp/?__twitter_impression=true And since we're feeding traffic to Performance Labs Of California... lol... just noticed the tennis veins in his arm in the opening freeze-frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 21 hours ago, RoyceRolls said: I was right with you on everything until you said last years class was better. It may end up being viewed that way with the help of hindsight, but if Watson didn’t play like Superman before he blew out a wheel, would you still believe that? Mahomes could end up being the next Favre, Trubisky could end up being the next Dalton and Watson could end up being the next RG3, but there were even more questions about the QB position last year than we’re facing now. Rosen and Darnold would likely both be taken ahead of Trubisky if both classes were lumped together. The more I thought about it, the more I think you're correct. Maybe what I meant to say is that I PERSONALLY would take Trubisky over any of those qb's (obviously with hindsight I'd take Watson, but Trubisky was my favorite). I saw him somehow beat my Noles while I was AT that game and that's when I made up my mind. I loved his accuracy, toughness, and attitude. He was my guy. Sure he had question marks, but I like him better than Rosen and Darnold. However, in terms of ranking Trubisky as a prospect, you're right...he would be behind Rosen, as would probably Watson and Mahomes. However, I will disagree with you on one thing. While I do believe some people would rank Darnold ahead of Trubisky, there would certainly be those who wouldn't. Darnold is a turnover machine and that's the one thing an NFL qb just can't do. He scares me to death and I want nothing to do with him. Imagine drafting Darnold and we start him over Kizer because of the immense pressure that comes with playing the #1 pick. Can you IMAGINE suffering through another year of mind-boggling turnovers as Darnold attempts to figure it out? Perhaps in wrong and that wouldn't happen...but if someone is struggling with turnovers in college, I don't see how it gets better in the pros right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 7:21 PM, tiamat63 said: Given the amount of passing attempts asked of him, coupled with a shaky Oline and questionable receivers - his 4th quarter stats would argue against "bad under pressure". A Question on Rosen..Would the Browns medical staff or team diet guru's (of any team) try to bulk Rosen up like they did with Kessler to avoid concussions? Do ya think speeding up extra bulk, had anything to do with Kessler's mechcanics or failures catching up? Thanks..(wonder what Rosen's combine weight target number is? played at 218lbs. on 6'5" frame I think?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 55 minutes ago, gumby73 said: A Question on Rosen..Would the Browns medical staff or team diet guru's (of any team) try to bulk Rosen up like they did with Kessler to avoid concussions? Do ya think speeding up extra bulk, had anything to do with Kessler's mechcanics or failures catching up? Thanks..(wonder what Rosen's combine weight target number is? played at 218lbs. on 6'5" frame I think?) I bet he shrinks to 6' 3 5/8"and 199 by combine time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: I bet he shrinks to 6' 3 5/8"and 199 by combine time. Mayfield will be 5'8 then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Why Josh Rosen is the obvious quarterback choice for the Browns at No. 1: Podcast Updated 8:59 AM; Posted 8:55 AM UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen is the right guy for the Browns at No. 1, NFL Draft analyst Joe Marino said of the latest Takes By the Lake podcast.(Mark J. Terrill, Associated Press) By Doug Lesmerises, cleveland.com dlesmerises@cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Draft analyst Joe Marino, who works for NDT Scouting and writes for Fanragsports.com, put out this tweet recently. Josh Rosen is the most NFL-ready QB I've evaluated since Andrew Luck. This should not be a hard decision for the #Browns. #NFLDraft #UCLA -- Joe Marino (@TheJoeMarino) January 16, 2018 So I called him. And I couldn't wait. Normally, we do one Takes By The Lake podcast every week, on a Friday, but I wanted to talk to Joe now. So this is a special Monday Takes By The Lake and we'll come back with another episode on Friday. It's the Senior Bowl this week, so there's going to be a ton of draft talk. Joe is there, and we discussed what he wants to see from Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, the two biggest QB names at the game this week. But we focused on his evaluation of Rosen, the UCLA quarterback. As I attempt to remain open-minded about the quarterback the Browns should draft, I want to talk to people with strong opinions about the quarterback they love. Marino qualifies when it comes to Rosen. Follow Joe on Twitter at @TheJoeMarino. Make sure you're subscribed to our cleveland.com sports podcast feed at iTunes. ====> Podcast link is at bottom of article: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/why_josh_rosen_in_the_obvious.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Joe Marino rocks. https://www.youtube.com/user/JoeMarinoMusic16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 17 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Why Josh Rosen is the obvious quarterback choice for the Browns at No. 1: Podcast Updated 8:59 AM; Posted 8:55 AM UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen is the right guy for the Browns at No. 1, NFL Draft analyst Joe Marino said of the latest Takes By the Lake podcast.(Mark J. Terrill, Associated Press) By Doug Lesmerises, cleveland.com dlesmerises@cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Draft analyst Joe Marino, who works for NDT Scouting and writes for Fanragsports.com, put out this tweet recently. Josh Rosen is the most NFL-ready QB I've evaluated since Andrew Luck. This should not be a hard decision for the #Browns. #NFLDraft #UCLA -- Joe Marino (@TheJoeMarino) January 16, 2018 So I called him. And I couldn't wait. Normally, we do one Takes By The Lake podcast every week, on a Friday, but I wanted to talk to Joe now. So this is a special Monday Takes By The Lake and we'll come back with another episode on Friday. It's the Senior Bowl this week, so there's going to be a ton of draft talk. Joe is there, and we discussed what he wants to see from Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, the two biggest QB names at the game this week. But we focused on his evaluation of Rosen, the UCLA quarterback. As I attempt to remain open-minded about the quarterback the Browns should draft, I want to talk to people with strong opinions about the quarterback they love. Marino qualifies when it comes to Rosen. Follow Joe on Twitter at @TheJoeMarino. Make sure you're subscribed to our cleveland.com sports podcast feed at iTunes. ====> Podcast link is at bottom of article: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/why_josh_rosen_in_the_obvious.html I agree with you in that Rosen is probably by far the most "NFL Ready" QB coming out of college, and I wouldn't be afraid of drafting him at all if he medically checks out and he really does want to play for us. I couldn't handle a controversy in which we draft a guy and he pulls an "Eli Manning"...I just couldn't. So at this "way too early" junction, I'm still firmly in the group desperately wanting a veteran QB in 2018, and at the top are obviously Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins. I'm really not sure what our chances of getting either of those guys are, but in my crazy mind, I feel like we have about a 25% chance to get one of them. The tricky part about THAT is what do we do with the #1 pick? If we somehow get Cousins (which I don't think is possible, regardless of recent stories), his age would probably let us pass on taking a QB high in the draft. Alex Smith is a different story, and I'm not sure if we'd still take a QB at 1 or 4, if we'd trade back, or what the heck we'd do. I don't foresee Rosen dropping his stock before the draft because I feel he's going to really shine at the combine (if he throws), and especially at his pro day. Rosen throws a drop-dead gorgeous ball, and what I love is how effortless he makes throwing it appear. He doesn't appear to put everything he has into the toss, yet the ball explodes out of his hand on a tight spiral. I also like his ability to hang in the pocket and remain calm while delivering the rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 t doesn't matter what you posted. But I did read it. You said you "cared" about who we get in here, over above and beyond that person's ability to be a successful QB of this team. As if there is some personal reason for your choice: My point: there should be no " caring". The ONLY thing I care about is having a successful QB. I ONLY care about his personal life, habits, attitudes if and when it affects his on field performance. Sure...if a guy is going to go OJ or Rae Carruth or Michael Vick on us...I care to the point that his action fuyucks things up for this team, because he will be suspended or in jail etc. I CARE about what JMZ did because he became a fuyuck up....and it hurt this team, because in theory he could be the franchise QB we need. But I didn't prejudge him.....I only judged him after he fuyucked things up for us and the Browns. ********************************************************************** ah. so you want to keep making the same freaking mistake, and will only admit it failed AFTER he screws up for your team. That's pretty bogus. THAT is why you really know a whole LOT about your picks. So you ....can.........avoid.......jm's, and gordons. You can bet the Browns will pre-judge every player they draft. They can't afford to make the mistakes anymore. Have a nice Ryan Leaf day, and "God Bless Ya" ! Sorry maybe it was you who "knew" Art was going to be a great nfl qb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Schlichter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 18 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Joe Marino rocks. https://www.youtube.com/user/JoeMarinoMusic16 Is there a video by Otto Elway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: t doesn't matter what you posted. But I did read it. You said you "cared" about who we get in here, over above and beyond that person's ability to be a successful QB of this team. As if there is some personal reason for your choice: My point: there should be no " caring". The ONLY thing I care about is having a successful QB. I ONLY care about his personal life, habits, attitudes if and when it affects his on field performance. Sure...if a guy is going to go OJ or Rae Carruth or Michael Vick on us...I care to the point that his action fuyucks things up for this team, because he will be suspended or in jail etc. I CARE about what JMZ did because he became a fuyuck up....and it hurt this team, because in theory he could be the franchise QB we need. But I didn't prejudge him.....I only judged him after he fuyucked things up for us and the Browns. ********************************************************************** ah. so you want to keep making the same freaking mistake, and will only admit it failed AFTER he screws up for your team. That's pretty bogus. THAT is why you really know a whole LOT about your picks. So you ....can.........avoid.......jm's, and gordons. You can bet the Browns will pre-judge every player they draft. They can't afford to make the mistakes anymore. Have a nice Ryan Leaf day, and "God Bless Ya" ! Sorry maybe it was you who "knew" Art was going to be a great nfl qb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Schlichter Sorry, but there is something deep psychologically about your Rosen hatred..that I think has nothing to do with your view of his "character". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Sorry, but there is something deep psychologically about your Rosen hatred..that I think has nothing to do with your view of his "character". It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 nah. I just don't draft jerks and qb's with off the field problems. same goes for any position - but qb is the number one position where it matters. The guy you draft could easily be a Mayfield - he's just a kid, has done some stupid stuff - you can figure he loves the game, though, that he's a fighter right to the end of a game you can't win, would inspire his teammates, etc etc etc... On the field - I don't see where rosie loves the game. he loves himself - he's entitled to have a hot rub, he's a rich kid, so fook everybody else. I mean, he had to go to another college to get a girlfriend, and ADMITTED that he had a real problem with women on campus who "don't know him". He does love himself. I think you just think he's pretty enough to be your boyfriend, just like Art Schichter. You need to learn from your mistakes. Truth is, I would draft Mayfield way before a whiny little arrogant beeatch qb with more physical talent. See, here's the thing - I am really brilliant in that I always try to do something stupid only once. OTH, you like to keep making the same stupid mistake repeatedly. Not my cup of tea, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology. bs. it's all lies. I bashed him repeated well before I read that on the board and looked it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: It was the Trump insult. Not deep psychology. The Trump insult...or the Trump methodology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 20 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Joe Marino rocks. https://www.youtube.com/user/JoeMarinoMusic16 If a 3-yo vid by a different person of the same name is the best you can do, then your game is really off, Princess. Love your sticking with the hits tho... girlfriend, twisted "admissions"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: If a 3-yo vid by a different person of the same name is the best you can do, then your game is really off, Princess. Love your sticking with the hits tho... girlfriend, twisted "admissions"... you miss the point, your lowness. I was mocking how important the guy was. I don't care. Why is it you rosie lovers say "that is only one opinion, whine moan bitch" but when it's only one opinion that AGREES with you, it's a very, very, very, very important. Have a nice day explaining that, cinderella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think it’s because not all opinions are created equal. One is a former college QB who actually watches film and has had success in projecting NFL QBs in the past, the other is an old guy not involved in the football industry in the least who clings to Internet rumors and what prospect’s girlfriends look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, RoyceRolls said: I think it’s because not all opinions are created equal. One is a former college QB who actually watches film and has had success in projecting NFL QBs in the past, the other is an old guy not involved in the football industry in the least who clings to Internet rumors and what prospect’s girlfriends look like. I"m not that old. My Father-in-law is 95. I'm still in my prime. Your "former college qb" would have drafted Ryan Leaf and Art Schlister. have a nice day. There is a lot more to being a pro qb than game film. Look at how many college qbs don't make it in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I didn’t mean old as an insult, and yes, there is more than game tape, but it doesn’t discount the importance of game tape. You like to compare Allen to Wentz, but ignore the fact that Allen isn’t as successful or accurate as Wentz. Just because they were recruited and coached by the same guy doesn’t mean they’re the same prospect, just as an internet rumor doesn’t mean that Rosen is the same guy as Johnny Manziel or Ryan Leaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Cal isn't old. He's ancient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, calfoxwc said: nah. I just don't draft jerks and qb's with off the field problems. same goes for any position - but qb is the number one position where it matters. The guy you draft could easily be a Mayfield - he's just a kid, has done some stupid stuff - you can figure he loves the game, though, that he's a fighter right to the end of a game you can't win, would inspire his teammates, etc etc etc... On the field - I don't see where rosie loves the game. he loves himself - he's entitled to have a hot rub, he's a rich kid, so fook everybody else. I mean, he had to go to another college to get a girlfriend, and ADMITTED that he had a real problem with women on campus who "don't know him". He does love himself. I think you just think he's pretty enough to be your boyfriend, just like Art Schichter. You need to learn from your mistakes. Truth is, I would draft Mayfield way before a whiny little arrogant beeatch qb with more physical talent. See, here's the thing - I am really brilliant in that I always try to do something stupid only once. OTH, you like to keep making the same stupid mistake repeatedly. Not my cup of tea, G. Regarding Rosen- that's all a bunch of Internet innuendo. The truth will come out in the interviews and psychological testing every recruit at the Combine gets grilled with. Personally, I'm more worried about his concussions and injury history. So his parents have money. He shouldn't use some of it? You want to talk entitled- Jordan Romero, (you've probably never heard of him) became the youngest person to ever do the Seven Summits (highest mountain on each continent) including Everest @ 13, and Mount Vinson in Antarctica @15. Great accomplishment? Sure, if Mom & Dad have the $50K for Everest (just to set foot on the mountain costs 10 grand for a climbing permit) and $40K for Vinson. Probably at least $150K total. That said, I'll (currently) take Mayfield over Rosen. BTW, your Dreamboat came in at the Senior Bowl a hair under 6'5", 238, and 10-1\8" hand. Mayfield got in late due to a family issue, and will get measured tonight. Will see if the Okies were exaggerating his height. PS the little they showed of the interviews, Allen did OK, reiterated he'd "love to be the guy to turn the Browns around". Mason Rudolph was really impressive in his interview. Regretted he can't play in the game (foot sprain)- went to see Dr. Andrews, who recommended he give it a few weeks more rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, hoorta said: That said, I'll (currently) take Mayfield over Rosen. BTW, your Dreamboat came in at the Senior Bowl a hair under 6'5", 238, and 10-1\8" hand. Mayfield got in late due to a family issue, and will get measured tonight. Will see if the Okies were exaggerating his height. My hand is 9 7/8ths...and I am 6'2" so, that does not seem like a tremendously big hand for a guy 6'5 PS the little they showed of the interviews, Allen did OK, reiterated he'd "love to be the guy to turn the Browns around". Mason Rudolph was really impressive in his interview. Regretted he can't play in the game (foot sprain)- went to see Dr. Andrews, who recommended he give it a few weeks more rest. Rudolph is still in the mix. (but not playing does not help at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, The Gipper said: That said, I'll (currently) take Mayfield over Rosen. BTW, your Dreamboat came in at the Senior Bowl a hair under 6'5", 238, and 10-1\8" hand. Mayfield got in late due to a family issue, and will get measured tonight. Will see if the Okies were exaggerating his height. My hand is 9 7/8ths...and I am 6'2" so, that does not seem like a tremendously big hand for a guy 6'5 PS the little they showed of the interviews, Allen did OK, reiterated he'd "love to be the guy to turn the Browns around". Mason Rudolph was really impressive in his interview. Regretted he can't play in the game (foot sprain)- went to see Dr. Andrews, who recommended he give it a few weeks more rest. Rudolph is still in the mix. (but not playing does not help at all) Har, did a little research Gip. for the average 5'10" guy hand size is around 7.5". I'm 6' even and my hand size is 9". NFL analytics guys like to see a hand size of at least 9". Notable QB that didn't pass that bar were Michael Vick 8.5" and Tony Romo 8.9". Big hands- Brett Favre 10.3" and stubby 5'10" Russell Wilson 10.25" Our notable flop Johnny Football came in at 9.8". The Combine hand size record is held by Deforest Buckner 11.75", if you want to envision huge, put down a standard 11.5" sheet of paper for comparison. JJ Watt has huge hands too, 11.1". On an unrelated note- I'd love to know the hand size of the late great Jimi Hendrix. His fingers were a mile long relative to normal human beings. Jimi could reach guitar frets with ease I could only dream about hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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