Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Flugel said: And then there's the multiple concussions issue I've read about more than once leading me to believe he's left many of those early too. "Leading you to believe..." Hard to argue with hard data like that. I was right there with you on Teddy and I had misgivings about Watson. Just not a concern I share to your level, Flugs, in Josh's case. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 57 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: "Leading you to believe..." Hard to argue with hard data like that. Especially when I'm only 1 cup of coffee shy of my wife changing the locks on me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 1:51 PM, Tour2ma said: Missed this earlier... There have been plenty of counter arguments, counter accounts laid out by myself and others. This is typical of all your arguments. When reports are presented that don't fit your narrative, you dismiss them out of hand To be fair, that's no different than what the Rosen fans are doing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 22 hours ago, wargograw said: To be fair, that's no different than what the Rosen fans are doing.... Disagree... at least in my case. I believe Dilfer's account of young Josh as a difficult attendee of his camp. I also believe Trent's account of a "different" Rosen returning as an instructor. Why? Because they are quotes of a direct observer. General babble by an unnamed scout here or a GM there? I give less weight. Especially when there are quotes by named teammates and coaches that refute them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: Disagree... at least in my case. I believe Dilfer's account of young Josh as a difficult attendee of his camp. I also believe Trent's account of a "different" Rosen returning as an instructor. Why? Because they are quotes of a direct observer. General babble by an unnamed scout here or a GM there? I give less weight. Especially when there are quotes by named teammates and coaches that refute them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 9 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Disagree... at least in my case. I believe Dilfer's account of young Josh as a difficult attendee of his camp. I also believe Trent's account of a "different" Rosen returning as an instructor. Why? Because they are quotes of a direct observer. General babble by an unnamed scout here or a GM there? I give less weight. Especially when there are quotes by named teammates and coaches that refute them. The guys who knew Johnny best would take a bullet for him and speak of his character. Sometimes it takes a neutral observer. I put about as much stock in Dilfer's account as I do in Gruden pimping every single kid that comes to his QB show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 10:13 AM, Flugel said: Offensively, our WR Corps is a train wreck. As happy as we were to see Josh Gordon the last 5 games - this group hasn't competed up to snuff. Even worse, neither has the QB position. We still don't have a dual purpose TE above ho-hum while we hope Njoku can establish more consistency in his limited role. Let's hope Dorsey can bring us the magic especially with the 5 picks in the first 2 rounds he's inheriting. We shall see... Interesting take by Grossi on Red Zone tonight Tom. Said it wouldn't be out of the question for Dorsey to cut Coleman. He really hasn't done much in two seasons. 56 receptions, 718 yards, 5 TDs. MHO, he starts playing like a first round pick next year, or he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 hours ago, hoorta said: Interesting take by Grossi on Red Zone tonight Tom. Said it wouldn't be out of the question for Dorsey to cut Coleman. He really hasn't done much in two seasons. 56 receptions, 718 yards, 5 TDs. MHO, he starts playing like a first round pick next year, or he's gone. Too many injuries and lost game/practice time to cut him yet. But I agree if he does not turn in an adequate WR showing over the course of an injury free year, I'd at least try to trade him for a draft choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 11 hours ago, wargograw said: I put about as much stock in Dilfer's account... The thing in Dilfer's case is he had two distinctly different accounts. Thanks for adding to the conversation, cal... in typical fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Tour2ma said: The thing in Dilfer's case is he had two distinctly different accounts. Thanks for adding to the conversation, cal... in typical fashion. You just don't get it Tour. Dilfer was a genius when he didn't like him and an idiot when he did. So what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 11:51 AM, Tour2ma said: The thing in Dilfer's case is he had two distinctly different accounts. Thanks for adding to the conversation, cal... in typical fashion. Quote the other part of my post. Dilfer could have easily just thought the kid's attitude meant he wouldn't pan out but saw the talent there. And now that Rosen's gonna be 1 overall he wants to be able to say he endorsed the kid. Everyone loves a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, wargograw said: Quote the other part of my post. Dilfer could have easily just thought the kid's attitude meant he wouldn't pan out but saw the talent there. And now that Rosen's gonna be 1 overall he wants to be able to say he endorsed the kid. Everyone loves a winner. Does Dilfer have a history of doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 At the one will be Rosen and only Rosen -- He simply didn't say that he didn't want to be a Brown. That's a flat-out lie. If you think he said that..... Look for a link showing a quote from Rosen stating precisely that. You won't find it, because it didn't happen. Yes, everyone is getting it wrong -- either out of maliciousness or laziness. I don't differentiate between the two because they lead to the same place. To be clear: Show quotes from Rosen -- not text from a reporter who is asserting he said something. [Ah, sociopathic gossip attacks.. It's the burn book/fake calls from Planned Parenthood techniques from Mean Girls played out on a larger scale] Rather, that became the narrative because he gave a response that wasn't generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 12:51 PM, Tour2ma said: The thing in Dilfer's case is he had two distinctly different accounts. Thanks for adding to the conversation, cal... in typical fashion. boy, you sure give yourself a giant wedgie whenver anyone disagrees with you. Dilfer's two appraisals ...the first, I take it as how I see rosen, and how a LOT of experts see rosen. It's how a lot of women on the UCLA campus see Rosen. He SAID as much. Now, Dilfer has a different account- I see that as: 1. That wasn't even me that you are aguing with, meathead. That was Warpograw's quote you were "responding to" On 1/9/2018 at 1:14 AM, wargograw said: I put about as much stock in Dilfer's account... The thing in Dilfer's case is he had two distinctly different accounts.Thanks for adding to the conversation, cal... in typical fashion. tour 2. Not wanting to trash the kid's draft position 3. Rosen surely knows he had better at least ACT like he isn't a jackwagon coming up on draft time. Oh, REALLY NOW? You don't get that? 4. I'm sure Rosen has been coached to act more like a well-adjusted good human being, at least until after he is drafted and signs his first contract. 5. Go hump rosen's poster, I don't care. I don't like the person he is. Jimmy Claussen comes to mind every time. 6. But thanks for going back to playing arrogrant football "god" again, which used to be your typical Tour fashion. 7. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 2:51 PM, Tour2ma said: Missed this earlier... There have been plenty of counter arguments, counter accounts laid out by myself and others. This is typical of all your arguments. When reports are presented that don't fit your narrative, you dismiss them out of hand while all support of your conclusion is unchallenged. Go back and READ, Tour. I was talking about Darnold. There have been no counter arguments about DARNOLD's character/personality.I said Darnold. Then you went off to "expert but can't read well" land again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 18 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: Does Dilfer have a history of doing that? No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 2:03 AM, hoorta said: Interesting take by Grossi on Red Zone tonight Tom. Said it wouldn't be out of the question for Dorsey to cut Coleman. He really hasn't done much in two seasons. 56 receptions, 718 yards, 5 TDs. MHO, he starts playing like a first round pick next year, or he's gone. Yeah, I've never seen a WR conquer the dropsies unfortunately. When I saw Biletnikoff Award winner with 20 TDs in 1 season - I thought "oh yeah, we definitely have room for that." I never thought that room would be the bathroom after someone took a smelly dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, Flugel said: Yeah, I've never seen a WR conquer the dropsies unfortunately. When I saw Biletnikoff Award winner with 20 TDs in 1 season - I thought "oh yeah, we definitely have room for that." I never thought that room would be the bathroom after someone took a smelly dump. There was no picture more symbolic for the entire season than watching the overthrowing, underthrowing turnover machine consoling Coleman on the sidelines after the game ending drop. Where's Ernest "Death in the Afternoon" Hemingway when you need him most? Only a talent like that could do justice to the 0-16 ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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