Clevfan4life Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$ i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes. Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 All bullsht aside now, does football belong in clev? IMO, that's a dumb question. If you wanna say, Does city officials deserve football in Cleveland...well that'd be different. Or does Haslam belong in Cleveland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 so i take it that you are not going to the parade ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, syd said: so i take it that you are not going to the parade ? Will the Rockettes be there? Or the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders? - No, it'll probably be a bunch of drunk, ugly, Browns fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Haslam belongs in prison. Anyone on this board, even Poetic Justice would make a MUCH better owner. It's almost like you have to try to go 1-31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Orion said: Will the Rockettes be there? Or the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders? - No, it'll probably be a bunch of drunk, ugly, Browns fans. and the bum (you know the one) will be grand marshal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, BrownsFan4Evr said: Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon. Yeah but if players dont feel that way its a moot point. I almost feel like it would take some local kid like lebron to come to clev and resuscitate the franchise. Short of that what is going to make players care? They know if they can just get out of cleveland they can go start on their real career somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, BrownsFan4Evr said: Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon. And why would i become a steelers fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 A lot of Browns "fans" have jumped to the Steelers. It'll get better. I've been a Browns fan since 1962. There have been stretches where the Browns were bad. It happens. Modell is who screwed the Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, BrownsFan4Evr said: A lot of Browns "fans" have jumped to the Steelers. It'll get better. I've been a Browns fan since 1962. There have been stretches where the Browns were bad. It happens. Modell is who screwed the Browns Well not me. Just to fully flesch out for u how much of a fan i am, if it aint the browns im done with football. I might watch the playoffs or maybe just the SB......but im not that into the nfl if i cant pull for the browns. They're pretty much the only reason i give a Schit about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, BrownsFan4Evr said: . There have been stretches where the Browns were bad Not this bad. It isnt competetive football. The players look like they're playing another sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: but if players dont feel that way its a moot point. I've said it before, the players union and free agency has changed the players viewpoint of the game. Team loyalty and rivalries only exist in fandome now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 You need a journal to write in after each game... I get it your emotional, but your post-game posts are a bit much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, Orion said: I've said it before, the players union and free agency has changed the players viewpoint of the game. Team loyalty and rivalries only exist in fandome now. Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong? It's a two way street there sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, Bob806 said: Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong? It's a two way street there sir. I don't understand your response. (I guess I'm not smart enough) Is there something in my statement above that is incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 33 minutes ago, Bob806 said: Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong? It's a two way street there sir. oh, baloney. How many millions do most players make? WT hell? They don't ask, their union reps try to DEMAND, OWN, and CONTROL. It's what the left does. Organize, antagonize, then whine when they aren't allowed to be bosses of everything. Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, Orion said: Is there something in my statement above that is incorrect? Not incorrect, just not telling the whole story. Free agency has indeed had a negative impact on loyalty from both union and management. Players want to get paid,owners want a salary cap. The result is you don't have a Charlie Hall, for example,on the team for the entire career. I'm fairly certain it was Curt Flood, of the MLB Cardinals that was the 1st ever to fight for free agency, citing anti-trust laws. He lost, but opened up the "Flood" gates so, to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 59 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something??? Of course not. I don't have figures in front of me, but with revenue sharing, the teams basically split 1/32 of the TV money. Ticket money is gravy. And there are rookie minimums, for instance. Merchandise sales are split a certain way as well. There's plenty of cash to go around. I don't think anybody on this forum gives a rats butt what players and owners make, we just want a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I'm not saying that the players union and FA is a bad thing......example: Archie Manning playing his whole career for the Saints who never gave him squat to compete with. But it HAS to some extent left the league as one big mishmash of players....loyal to themselves only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$ i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes. Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period. well clevefor life, i have been saying this for yrs and yrs and yrs now...just what you pointed out...the once great players that are washed up come here for a yr or 2 just to get some extra bucks in their pockets...from the willie mcginnis' to the jake delhommes to the jamal lewis' etc etc...its been this way forever, yet there are still some blockheads on this board that insist the good fa's are on the way...pfffffffft...they don't get it...as far as football in cleve, i would rather see a hockey franchise now and get rid of football...it will never happen but its my wish. MAYBE THEN WE COULD KNOCK THE Sheet OUT OF THE PENGUINS AND AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, browns52 said: well clevefor life, i have been saying this for yrs and yrs and yrs now...just what you pointed out...the once great players that are washed up come here for a yr or 2 just to get some extra bucks in their pockets...from the willie mcginnis' to the jake delhommes to the jamal lewis' etc etc...its been this way forever, yet there are still some blockheads on this board that insist the good fa's are on the way...pfffffffft...they don't get it...as far as football in cleve, i would rather see a hockey franchise now and get rid of football...it will never happen but its my wish. MAYBE THEN WE COULD KNOCK THE Sheet OUT OF THE PENGUINS AND AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT.... So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and 1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent And 2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL ???? <sigh><facepalm><moarsighing> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clevfan4life Posted January 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Im a casual nhl fan, caps are my team...i met ovechkin through my bro in law so im essentially obligated. And i see how much prob that loaded a'ss team has with penguins every year. Penguins ate just stupid good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Orion said: - No, it'll probably be a bunch of drunk, ugly, Browns fans. here they come..your a guitar man,ever heard any of this. maybe band after grand marshal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 lol - we do an Old Crow Medicine Show tune....I just can't think of which one right now. (our drummer can really pick 'em) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$ i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes. Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period. In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke. Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and 1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent And 2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL ???? <sigh><facepalm><moarsighing> 50 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and 1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent And 2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL ???? <sigh><facepalm><moarsighing> they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ghoolie said: In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke. Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves. well put........i can't believe that even 1 person would go watch this garbage after all these yrs of setting records of shame, yr after yr....Shmuck, invest that money in apple stock, you will be better off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Ghoolie said: In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke. Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves. Your a Shmucking idiotYour a Shmucking idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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