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I think at this point we need to weigh the impact of firing another coach after 2 years (how it makes us look to other potential coaches in the future, etc) against how many games Hue “lost” for us this year.  The players seem to love the guy, and it’s not like any coach out there is going to make us an 8 win team next year.  I honestly have no idea which is the better decision.

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^^agree boo^^ But Scott Pioli is now with Atlanta..sure wish Pioli still owned his map to Cleveland, Pioli would not give Haslem the time of day to fire 🔥 him..

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2 hours ago, cvcanedy said:

I think at this point we need to weigh the impact of firing another coach after 2 years (how it makes us look to other potential coaches in the future, etc) against how many games Hue “lost” for us this year.

...not a good enough reason to keep a HC that's doing a lousy job. (or a 'fairly' lousy job)

I, like most everyone else, do NOT want to change coaches.  We need stability.  We need continuity.  But that's NOT a good enough reason to keep a coach.  The REASON you keep a coach is because he's good.  Just like the players.  You don't keep a player that's not good.  You cut him and sign someone else.  

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Sadly to say, the only way Hue probably does go is if Haslam and Dorsey USE the door is open to go to Cinci if you wish. With a couple hands on each shoulder and 2 boots on his butt as they boot his butt out the door and save face.

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1 hour ago, Orion said:

...not a good enough reason to keep a HC that's doing a lousy job. (or a 'fairly' lousy job)

I, like most everyone else, do NOT want to change coaches.  We need stability.  We need continuity.  But that's NOT a good enough reason to keep a coach.  The REASON you keep a coach is because he's good.  Just like the players.  You don't keep a player that's not good.  You cut him and sign someone else.  

So we cut most everybody signed by Sashi, then.

Coleman can be the first to go.

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4 minutes ago, Marc1971 said:

Fire Hue now

Tomorrow.   Be patient now....be patient.  :)

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LOL... trade a first rounder for a QB slated to be an FA. Good one, boo... you fuc-king moron...

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22 minutes ago, Tim Couch Pulls Out said:

So we cut most everybody signed by Sashi, then.

Coleman can be the first to go.

and Kizer

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so who is in control of the hiring of the O.C,,,,,,,I believe that if it is Dorsey then at some point next year we will be looking at are next head coach that way everyone saves face after hue starts out 0-6

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14 minutes ago, syd said:

so who is in control of the hiring of the O.C

Staff is generally the decision of the HC at the Coordinator level. And in turn the coordinators get involved in the position coach hires.

GM's usually supply a candidate list.

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15 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

The problem is, Haslam and Dorsey have painted themselves into a corner. If they fire him, then their word is worth nothing. It would be just another black eye on a franchise, that honestly, should be moved to another city and renamed. Why keep shidding on the Browns brand?

Keeping him around after going 0 and 16 and such a disgraceful fashion is as big a black eye to the franchise as anything could be.

WSS

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1 minute ago, Westside Steve said:

Keeping him around after going 0 and 16 and such a disgraceful fashion is as big a black eye to the franchise as anything could be.

Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.

 

Which brings up another point in Hue's favor... Can Jimmah stand publicly admitting he was wrong again in closing both of his main guys?

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57 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.

 

Which brings up another point in Hue's favor... Can Jimmah stand publicly admitting he was wrong again in closing both of his main guys?

I think he gets a pass with Coach Jackson. This was the guy the entire league and all the media was agog over, and no one ever thought he would stoop to taking a job with the lonely Cleveland Browns. Jimmy put together some sort of a deal and made him feel comfortable so it would have appeared we won that battle.

Now after 2 seasons and only one when I can't imagine anyone seriously criticizing the owner for admitting a mistake that everybody and football but was a slam dunk.

Unfortunately like DeShone Kizer, Hue Jackson seems like a nice earnest and hard-working man, nobody really wants to see him fail.

But we do have to admit it really looks like he played his way out of a job. I'm not sure that another full year under the same conditions would be helpful or more akin to driving that car another 100 miles after the oil light comes on.

WSS

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1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:

I think he gets a pass with Coach Jackson. This was the guy the entire league and all the media was agog over,

I was actually happy that JImmy got the guy he was after for once.  But after these two seasons it really would be hard to fault Jimmy for firing Hue.  And much easier to fault him for keeping him.

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So Bloody Sunday has claimed Pagano and Del Rio so far.

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5 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.

 

but fortunately people don't buy that fully.  Hue can't say "oh I didn't have any players so what do you expect me to do?" because the expectation for a team with no players is to not go 1-31 in today's nfl.  

the overall reaction to haslam keeping hue has been mostly negative i think.  As it should be.

Dorsey has some time for now....he'll be judged on this draft and the next draft.  

Im thinking our o/u next year will be 5.5 or so.  Will be interesting to see when we go 6-10 does hue then get another year?  I guess so...because if you start at 1-31 and then go 6-10 you keep your job....

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9 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

LOL... trade a first rounder for a QB slated to be an FA. Good one, boo... you fuc-king moron...

Hey dumbfock

Look at the record not shelling out a 1st. But, you're also just coming around to the fact that Kizer might not have it too. 

Your comments are the effects of chewing on lead painted winow sills as a toddler.

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3 hours ago, Orion said:

So Bloody Sunday has claimed Pagano and Del Rio so far.

Raiders will go hard after Johnny gruden

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3 hours ago, Orion said:

So Bloody Sunday has claimed Pagano and Del Rio so far.

A Pagano-Ariens reunion in CLE is something I could get interested in.

3 hours ago, Tacosman said:

Dorsey has some time for now....he'll be judged on this draft and the next draft.  

Im thinking our o/u next year will be 5.5 or so.  Will be interesting to see when we go 6-10 does hue then get another year?  I guess so...because if you start at 1-31 and then go 6-10 you keep your job....

O/U seems reasonable... I'll take the under.

Dorsey is in a great situation. He'd have to try to completely whiff on the draft position he inherited. Hue gets all the blame for the season to come. And Dorsey more high picks in 2019 for his new HC.

5 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

Hey dumbfock

Look at the record.

So pissing away a #1 would have been worth a couple wins?

Care to go for the rare triple fuc-king-moron?

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On 12/30/2017 at 11:05 PM, D Bone said:

At 1-31 the Browns have to show continuity or they run the risk of looking foolish.......... 

1 - 31 IS continuity. WHo the hell would keep Hue?

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45 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

1 - 31 IS continuity. WHo the hell would keep Hue?

Apparently Dee...... Now we can look forward to cementing our new found record of futility, and setting the bar so low that no team will ever approach it........ Happy New Year!!!! 

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1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

 

So pissing away a #1 would have been worth a couple wins?

Care to go for the rare triple fuc-king-moron?

There are several facts.

1 Sashi Brown was fired because the Browns did not win or show improvement.

2 Haslam has identified that the QB position is the root of the Browns problems - which it is.

3 The new GMs first priority above all else is to find a QB per order of the owner.

4 Sashi Brown never found a QB or traded for a FA worth a fvck.

5 Kizer was the final nail in Sashis coffin and firing because Kizer sucks.

6 Youre still in camp Kizer because the kid shows promise per your observations, but youre also an idiot.

7 You are the guy that burns his own house down so his wife wont get half in the divorce and thinks that he has won even though he is now living under a bridge and drinking wine from a paper bag.

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