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Took over as GM for Kansas City after they went 2-14

Led them to 11-5, 9-7, 11-5, and 12-4

Was fired because he was a “go with the flow” guy, and “not very organized”

But was well-known for having an uncanny ability at knowing how to pick players

I’m in, a football guy who is good a picking players please and thank you

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Here are his drafts 2013 - 2016:

Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 2 Chris Jones 37 DT 2017 0 0 2 6 28                       1 5.5 Mississippi St.
2016 3 KeiVarae Russell 74 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 11                       1   Notre Dame
2016 4 Parker Ehinger 105 G 2016 0 0 0 2 5                           Cincinnati
2016 4 Eric Murray 106 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 27                           Minnesota
2016 4 Demarcus Robinson 126 WR 2017 0 0 1 0 28                 17 181 0     Florida
2016 5 Kevin Hogan 162 QB 2017 0 0 0 1 8 60 101 621 4 7 18 176 1           Stanford
2016 5 Tyreek Hill 165 WR 2017 1 1 1 10 28 0 1 0 0 1 40 327 3 121 1504 12     West Alabama
2016 6 D.J. White 178 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 11                       1   Georgia Tech
2016 6 Dadi Nicolas 203 DE 2016 0 0 0 1 11                           Virginia Tech
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Marcus Peters 18 CB 2017 1 2 3 23 43                       17   Washington
2015 2 Mitch Morse 49 G 2017 0 0 3 15 38                           Missouri
2015 3 Chris Conley 76 WR 2017 0 0 1 7 37                 72 904 1     Georgia
2015 3 Steven Nelson 98 CB 2017 0 0 1 6 32                           Oregon St.
2015 4 Ramik Wilson 118 ILB 2017 0 0 1 9 29                       1   Georgia
2015 5 D.J. Alexander 172 OLB 2017 0 1 0 5 42                           Oregon St.
2015 5 James O'Shaughnessy 173 TE 2017 0 0 0 1 35                 16 181 0     Illinois St.
2015 6 Rakeem Nunez-Roches 217 DT 2017 0 0 1 4 30                         1.5 Southern Miss
2015 7 Da'Ron Brown 233 WR   0 0 0                               Northern Illinois
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2014 1 Dee Ford 23 LB 2017 0 0 1 11 51                         17.5 Auburn
2014 3 Phillip Gaines 87 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 39                       1   Rice
2014 4 De'Anthony Thomas 124 RB 2017 0 0 0 6 46           28 180 2 59 468 3     Oregon
2014 5 Aaron Murray 163 QB   0 0 0                               Georgia
2014 6 Zach Fulton 193 G 2017 0 0 2 16 60                           Tennessee
2014 6 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif 200 OL 2017 0 0 3 13 38                           McGill
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 1 Eric Fisher 1 T 2017 0 0 5 27 74                 0 -5 0     Central Michigan
2013 3 Travis Kelce 63 TE 2017 1 2 4 27 61 0 1 0 0 1 3 2 0 290 3733 21     Cincinnati
2013 3 Knile Davis 96 RB 2016 0 0 0 10 57           250 805 11 34 271 1     Arkansas
2013 4 Nico Johnson 99 LB 2015 0 0 0 3 18                           Alabama
2013 5 Sanders Commings 134 DB 2013 0 0 0 0 2                           Georgia
2013 6 Eric Kush 170 C 2016 0 0 0 3 18                           California (PA)
2013 6 Braden Wilson 204 FB   0 0 0                               Kansas St.
2013 7 Mike Catapano 207 DE 2016 0 0 0 3 29                         2.0 Princeton
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Dorsey's entire career is as a scout.  How will he make a judgement on players he doesn't personally scout? Will there be.... metrics?

If there are metrics used and those ratings are based on team consensus [which given everything we can find is what Dorsey is all about].... this is different than Sashi how, exactly? One fewer "s" in the name yields infinite wins?

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It has been rumored that there are some GM/coach "package" deals that may be out there:

Pioli and Vrabel

Caserio and McDaniels.

 

Point is, these would be GMs/coaches that would be in sync.    Dorsey and Hue however?   Someone used the term:  shotgun marriage.

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9 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

It has been rumored that there are some GM/coach "package" deals that may be out there:

Pioli and Vrabel

Caserio and McDaniels.

 

Point is, these would be GMs/coaches that would be in sync.    Dorsey and Hue however?   Someone used the term:  shotgun marriage.

Sounds like Hue has convinced Jimmy he can coach, he just needs better players. 

Whoever they hire will agree to Hue as coach for 2018, and if the season goes south next year, Hue will be gone and the GM can hand pick his new coach.

Winning in 2018 will make a shotgun wedding work.

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4 minutes ago, Adoug319 said:

Sounds like Hue has convinced Jimmy he can coach, he just needs better players. 

Whoever they hire will agree to Hue as coach for 2018, and if the season goes south next year, Hue will be gone and the GM can hand pick his new coach.

Winning in 2018 will make a shotgun wedding work.

Then I would predict that Hue would be gone by the end of November next year.

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4 minutes ago, Adoug319 said:

Sounds like Hue has convinced Jimmy he can coach, he just needs better players. 

Whoever they hire will agree to Hue as coach for 2018, and if the season goes south next year, Hue will be gone and the GM can hand pick his new coach.

Winning in 2018 will make a shotgun wedding work.

Ok so if all the players suck (supposedly)... How is keeping hue gonna get them to buy into a program that they clearly have not bought into...???

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22 minutes ago, nickers said:

Ok so if all the players suck (supposedly)... How is keeping hue gonna get them to buy into a program that they clearly have not bought into...???

I’m not saying I agree or disagree, I’m just attempting to read between the lines.

To answer your question, I believe Hue wants a competent QB who could win now (McCarron) while a younger QB who clearly isn’t ready (Kizer) could learn. Hue clearly lamented the botched trade, and according to MKC, Sashi and Hue haven’t been on speaking terms since then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/938805530230951936

 

The power struggle between Hue and Sashi was over when we saw Hue and Jimmy talking to AJ McCarron before the Bengals game.

My guess is we sign AJ in the offseason and he starts. We draft a QB #1. He and Kizer fight it out for 2nd and 3rd string.

Hue has an experienced QB, no excuses for losing. If we go 6-10 or better, everyone is happy.

If not, the new GM picks a coach he wants for 2019.

Thats what I see 

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Do we know the status of McCarron's suit to become an unrestricted FA?  Didn't his agent file a complaint against the NFL after the trade with us didn't go through?

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21286767/aj-mccarron-files-grievance-vs-cincinnati-bengals-wants-unrestricted-free-agent-2018

 

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1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

Here are his drafts 2013 - 2016:

Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 2 Chris Jones 37 DT 2017 0 0 2 6 28                       1 5.5 Mississippi St.
2016 3 KeiVarae Russell 74 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 11                       1   Notre Dame
2016 4 Parker Ehinger 105 G 2016 0 0 0 2 5                           Cincinnati
2016 4 Eric Murray 106 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 27                           Minnesota
2016 4 Demarcus Robinson 126 WR 2017 0 0 1 0 28                 17 181 0     Florida
2016 5 Kevin Hogan 162 QB 2017 0 0 0 1 8 60 101 621 4 7 18 176 1           Stanford
2016 5 Tyreek Hill 165 WR 2017 1 1 1 10 28 0 1 0 0 1 40 327 3 121 1504 12     West Alabama
2016 6 D.J. White 178 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 11                       1   Georgia Tech
2016 6 Dadi Nicolas 203 DE 2016 0 0 0 1 11                           Virginia Tech
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Marcus Peters 18 CB 2017 1 2 3 23 43                       17   Washington
2015 2 Mitch Morse 49 G 2017 0 0 3 15 38                           Missouri
2015 3 Chris Conley 76 WR 2017 0 0 1 7 37                 72 904 1     Georgia
2015 3 Steven Nelson 98 CB 2017 0 0 1 6 32                           Oregon St.
2015 4 Ramik Wilson 118 ILB 2017 0 0 1 9 29                       1   Georgia
2015 5 D.J. Alexander 172 OLB 2017 0 1 0 5 42                           Oregon St.
2015 5 James O'Shaughnessy 173 TE 2017 0 0 0 1 35                 16 181 0     Illinois St.
2015 6 Rakeem Nunez-Roches 217 DT 2017 0 0 1 4 30                         1.5 Southern Miss
2015 7 Da'Ron Brown 233 WR   0 0 0                               Northern Illinois
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2014 1 Dee Ford 23 LB 2017 0 0 1 11 51                         17.5 Auburn
2014 3 Phillip Gaines 87 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 39                       1   Rice
2014 4 De'Anthony Thomas 124 RB 2017 0 0 0 6 46           28 180 2 59 468 3     Oregon
2014 5 Aaron Murray 163 QB   0 0 0                               Georgia
2014 6 Zach Fulton 193 G 2017 0 0 2 16 60                           Tennessee
2014 6 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif 200 OL 2017 0 0 3 13 38                           McGill
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 1 Eric Fisher 1 T 2017 0 0 5 27 74                 0 -5 0     Central Michigan
2013 3 Travis Kelce 63 TE 2017 1 2 4 27 61 0 1 0 0 1 3 2 0 290 3733 21     Cincinnati
2013 3 Knile Davis 96 RB 2016 0 0 0 10 57           250 805 11 34 271 1     Arkansas
2013 4 Nico Johnson 99 LB 2015 0 0 0 3 18                           Alabama
2013 5 Sanders Commings 134 DB 2013 0 0 0 0 2                           Georgia
2013 6 Eric Kush 170 C 2016 0 0 0 3 18                           California (PA)
2013 6 Braden Wilson 204 FB   0 0 0                               Kansas St.
2013 7 Mike Catapano 207 DE 2016 0 0 0 3 29                         2.0 Princeton

 

Not  terribly impressive, though he did at least land Kelce, Peters, Morse, Conley, Hill, Jones and I guess toss in Ford.  

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2 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Here are his drafts 2013 - 2016:

Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 2 Chris Jones 37 DT 2017 0 0 2 6 28                       1 5.5 Mississippi St.
2016 3 KeiVarae Russell 74 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 11                       1   Notre Dame
2016 4 Parker Ehinger 105 G 2016 0 0 0 2 5                           Cincinnati
2016 4 Eric Murray 106 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 27                           Minnesota
2016 4 Demarcus Robinson 126 WR 2017 0 0 1 0 28                 17 181 0     Florida
2016 5 Kevin Hogan 162 QB 2017 0 0 0 1 8 60 101 621 4 7 18 176 1           Stanford
2016 5 Tyreek Hill 165 WR 2017 1 1 1 10 28 0 1 0 0 1 40 327 3 121 1504 12     West Alabama
2016 6 D.J. White 178 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 11                       1   Georgia Tech
2016 6 Dadi Nicolas 203 DE 2016 0 0 0 1 11                           Virginia Tech
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Marcus Peters 18 CB 2017 1 2 3 23 43                       17   Washington
2015 2 Mitch Morse 49 G 2017 0 0 3 15 38                           Missouri
2015 3 Chris Conley 76 WR 2017 0 0 1 7 37                 72 904 1     Georgia
2015 3 Steven Nelson 98 CB 2017 0 0 1 6 32                           Oregon St.
2015 4 Ramik Wilson 118 ILB 2017 0 0 1 9 29                       1   Georgia
2015 5 D.J. Alexander 172 OLB 2017 0 1 0 5 42                           Oregon St.
2015 5 James O'Shaughnessy 173 TE 2017 0 0 0 1 35                 16 181 0     Illinois St.
2015 6 Rakeem Nunez-Roches 217 DT 2017 0 0 1 4 30                         1.5 Southern Miss
2015 7 Da'Ron Brown 233 WR   0 0 0                               Northern Illinois
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2014 1 Dee Ford 23 LB 2017 0 0 1 11 51                         17.5 Auburn
2014 3 Phillip Gaines 87 DB 2017 0 0 0 5 39                       1   Rice
2014 4 De'Anthony Thomas 124 RB 2017 0 0 0 6 46           28 180 2 59 468 3     Oregon
2014 5 Aaron Murray 163 QB   0 0 0                               Georgia
2014 6 Zach Fulton 193 G 2017 0 0 2 16 60                           Tennessee
2014 6 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif 200 OL 2017 0 0 3 13 38                           McGill
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 1 Eric Fisher 1 T 2017 0 0 5 27 74                 0 -5 0     Central Michigan
2013 3 Travis Kelce 63 TE 2017 1 2 4 27 61 0 1 0 0 1 3 2 0 290 3733 21     Cincinnati
2013 3 Knile Davis 96 RB 2016 0 0 0 10 57           250 805 11 34 271 1     Arkansas
2013 4 Nico Johnson 99 LB 2015 0 0 0 3 18                           Alabama
2013 5 Sanders Commings 134 DB 2013 0 0 0 0 2                           Georgia
2013 6 Eric Kush 170 C 2016 0 0 0 3 18                           California (PA)
2013 6 Braden Wilson 204 FB   0 0 0                               Kansas St.
2013 7 Mike Catapano 207 DE 2016 0 0 0 3 29                         2.0 Princeton

He drafted Kevin Hogan -> He's a genius

Let's sign him NOW!

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1 hour ago, Nero said:

He drafted Kevin Hogan -> He's a genius

Let's sign him NOW!

Jesus, People usually fall in love with the guys they draft....at least they feel some loyalty to them.  So, does this mean that Hogan sticks around?

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1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

Jesus, People usually fall in love with the guys they draft....at least they feel some loyalty to them.  So, does this mean that Hogan sticks around?

He did cut him so there is that.

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1 minute ago, The Gipper said:

Jesus, People usually fall in love with the guys they draft....at least they feel some loyalty to them.  So, does this mean that Hogan sticks around?

Hogan got kicked in one year, let's hope not. 

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1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said:

Do we know the status of McCarron's suit to become an unrestricted FA?  Didn't his agent file a complaint against the NFL after the trade with us didn't go through?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21286767/aj-mccarron-files-grievance-vs-cincinnati-bengals-wants-unrestricted-free-agent-2018

As I said in another thread- depends if he wins his grievance or not. UFA- maybe. RFA, and the Bengals slap a first round tender on him? No way in hell. Even Hue (at least I hope) isn't crack headed enough to give up the #1 overall (or at the very worst the #3) for McCarron. 

1 hour ago, Nero said:

He drafted Kevin Hogan -> He's a genius

Let's sign him NOW!

^^^ LOL!!!!!  

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2 hours ago, Nero said:

He drafted Kevin Hogan -> He's a genius

Let's sign him NOW!

Po will pay part of his salary!

WSS

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The owner has guaranteed the 1-27 HC his job a month after trying to sign hs QB of choice. 

Any GM that now arrives is nothing but a patsy to the head coach. He may as well not even be here. 

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6 hours ago, Adoug319 said:

Sounds like Hue has convinced Jimmy he can coach, he just needs better players. 

Whoever they hire will agree to Hue as coach for 2018, and if the season goes south next year, Hue will be gone and the GM can hand pick his new coach.

Winning in 2018 will make a shotgun wedding work.

That or this is Holmgren/Heckert/Mangini all over again, and a season is wasted with a new front office keeping the existing head coach that was inevitably fired... We'll see...

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2 hours ago, LondonBrown said:

The owner has guaranteed the 1-27 HC his job a month after trying to sign hs QB of choice. 

Any GM that now arrives is nothing but a patsy to the head coach. He may as well not even be here. 

I must have missed it. Show the article where Haslem said Hue will get McCarron no matter what? Not being snarky. I just haven’t seen anything to that effect.

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John Dorsey was fired in June of 2017..about 2 months after Dorsey drafted McHolmes & Kareem Hunt..Soon after draft Andy Reid was not into Camp McHolmes move up & John Dorsey was cut loose. Am a fan of Alex Smith..not sure John Dorsey is..

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7 hours ago, Adoug319 said:

Sounds like Hue has convinced Jimmy he can coach, he just needs better players. 

Whoever they hire will agree to Hue as coach for 2018, and if the season goes south next year, Hue will be gone and the GM can hand pick his new coach.

Winning in 2018 will make a shotgun wedding work.

No GM worth a damn will want to keep Yew.

The blame game will continue. Yew will say he has no players and the GM will say the coaching sucks.

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7 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

 

Not  terribly impressive, though he did at least land Kelce, Peters, Morse, Conley, Hill, Jones and I guess toss in Ford.  

Tardiff is a starter.

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3 minutes ago, boo fagley said:

No GM worth a damn will want to keep Yew.

The blame game will continue. Yew will say he has no players and the GM will say the coaching sucks.

Than riddle me this..1. Why has No player on this team quit on Hue? 2. Every player that has walked out of here always points at the FO plan & not the coaching?

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