D Bone Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just now, Dutch Oven said: Baby steps. Baby ant steps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just now, D Bone said: Baby ant steps Dammit...... I keep forgetting it's A Process. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Defense has been better, not great. The offense has been worse, scary bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Our wr's, conservatively estimating, have potentially cost us 1-2 games, maybe more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 No D can do it alone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, flyingfooldoug said: The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm Wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, flyingfooldoug said: The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse, and they replaced Williams with a HoF DC. Got one of those for us? I’ll waiy. Sashi was a consultant for the Jags promotions or something. You cant actually believe that’s a remotely credible point. The Indians won 4 division championships in the 4 years Depodesta was there. This couldn't have been a more terrible post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 29 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: No D can do it alone... You're absolutely right. They need a coach too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, wargograw said: Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse 2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game 2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, D Bone said: 2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game 2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right? Points allowed is all I look for..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted November 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 59 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: No D can do it alone... Well that’s just goofy. Of course a D just can. But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points? none. there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won. zero. nada. Gregg Williams is a farse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, D Bone said: Points allowed is all I look for..... anything else is just Spin Doctoring. Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, roach said: Well that’s just goofy. Of course a D just can. But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points? none. there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won. zero. nada. Gregg Williams is a farse. Ill bet tom brady and the pats could drop more than 30 on the bengals if they felt it necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, roach said: Well that’s just goofy. Of course a D just can. But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points? none. there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won. zero. nada. Gregg Williams is a farse. Indeed. When we get a good defense, it will win games. Because our offense can’t win a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, D Bone said: Points allowed is all I look for..... I look for wins vs losses and we are the WORST IN NFL HISTORY in that department For 2 years FIRE THEM ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 25 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. Dude, we can say that about anything: "Leads the league in yds allowed"...... They have a great offense that leads the league in TOP "Leads the league vs the run"..... They are 9-1, lead the NFL in points scored so the opponent never runs against them "Last in the league vs the pass".... See one line above ^ on, and on, and on, and on, and........... Points scored vs points allowed is how every single game in the history of the sport has been won and lost - and always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us. How about our complete inability to score in the redzone? No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, thenew23 said: How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us. How about our complete inability to score in the redzone? No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits... Collins, not ogbah.....ogbah's been horrible against the run most of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 How many of those points are given up in the 2nd half after they've been on the field way to long? Surely the lack of O time with the ball hurts. Either way to say this is the worst D we have had is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 And teams run in the 2nd half because they always are up. So that further wears a defense down not just during the fame but over the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, jcam222 said: How many of those points are given up in the 2nd half after they've been on the field way to long? Surely the lack of O time with the ball hurts. Either way to say this is the worst D we have had is laughable. The D is certainly not the worst we've had in the v2.0 era that's for sure, but it's also not the juggernaut that some want to say it is either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 35 minutes ago, D Bone said: , but it's also not the juggernaut that some want to say it is either. Who called it a "juggernaut"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted November 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: And teams run in the 2nd half because they always are up. Dude, admit it. This defense stinks. There is NO team this week that had to score more than 30 points to win their football game. NO team. This D is awful and Greg Williams is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 59 minutes ago, roach said: Dude, admit it. This defense stinks. There is NO team this week that had to score more than 30 points to win their football game. NO team. This D is awful and Greg Williams is a joke. I was impressed how much better the Rams D got simply by changing coaches. It sure does make a difference. Especially in a coaches league like the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 they'll all be pulling around portable oxygen last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 This defense goes on and off way too many times. This sunday played a terrible game, but I also think it is because it lacks depth. We can't be decent if someone is injured. Ogbah, Collins and Meder missed this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nero said: This defense goes on and off way too many times. This sunday played a terrible game, but I also think it is because it lacks depth. We can't be decent if someone is injured. Ogbah, Collins and Meder missed this game. Exactly. No depth equals play worse late in games if the O is stagnant and it means play worse with just a few pieces missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nero said: This defense goes on and off way too many times. This sunday played a terrible game, but I also think it is because it lacks depth. We can't be decent if someone is injured. Ogbah, Collins and Meder missed this game. In a coaches league, you need great coaching to win. Think on this one. The Rams defense got way better in one off-season just by changing coaches and getting the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, flyingfooldoug said: The Rams defense got way better in one off-season just by changing coaches and getting the right one. So did ours fyi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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