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On another thread there was a discussion about the Buffett takeover of Pilot/Flying J....and whether he would have any say in anything about the Browns.  I don't think Buffet is a pro football fan....or a sports fan in general.   Except for maybe Nebraska football?   He could have bought a team many times over if he were interested.  And As I understand it, the sale of Pilot/Flying J will have nothing to do with the Browns. Buffet apparently just has no interest.

Same with Bill Gates.....no sports fan.   On the other hand, Gate's partner in crime, Paul Allen is a big fan.  Owns the Seahawks and the Portland Trailblazers I believe.  In fact, here are the 25 richest people in America, according to Forbes:

1. Bill Gates

2. Jeff Bezos

3. Warren Buffett

4. Mark Zuckerberg

5. Larry Ellison

6. Michael Bloomberg

7. Charles Koch

8. David Koch

9. Larry Page

10. Sergey Brin

11.  Jim Walton

12. Robson Walton

13. Alice Walton

14. Sheldon Adelson

15. Steve Ballmer

16. Jacqueline Mars

17. John Mars

18. Phil Knight

19. George Soros

20. Michael Dell

21. Paul Allen

22. Len Blavatnick

23. Lauren Jobs

24. James Simon

25. Ray Dalia.

ONLY Allen and Ballmer to my recollection own professional sports team.  If anyone else is aware if any of the others own any, let us know.  Phil Knight as CEO of Nike of course is heavily involved in sports...but I don't know that he actually owns any team.....likely a conflict of interest for him?

I know that Sheldon Adelson was somehow going to be involved in bringing the Raiders to Las Vegas....but that he was only involved in the financing deal...not with team ownership.

Here is the link to the list of the Top 100 richest people in America:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/10/04/forbes-400-the-full-list-of-the-richest-people-in-america-2016/#268a816422f4

Beyond the Top 25, I do believe that the following Top 100 do own some teams:

#58T Stephen Ross....Dolphins

#58T Stan Kroenke...several teams including Rams

#61 Mickey Arison...Miami Heat....I believe

#70 Shahid Khan....Jaguars

#88 Richard DeVos...Orlando Magic

#94 Jerry Jones  (and his entire wealth is the value of the Cowboys)

Let us know if any of the other Top 100

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In Europe, soccer teams are being bought by sheiks, arabs and even chinese... Is any of that happening in America?

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48 minutes ago, Nero said:

In Europe, soccer teams are being bought by sheiks, arabs and even chinese... Is any of that happening in America?

I would have to check.  Here is the list of NFL owners, and not one of these would apply to what you say,  except maybe Shahid Khan...and I don't think he does:

Edit note:  Khan is of Pakistani origin...but has been in the US since age 16, and has been a US citizen since 1991.

Franchise Owner Year
Arizona Cardinals United States Bill Bidwill 1972
Atlanta Falcons United States Arthur Blank1 2004
Baltimore Ravens United States Steve Bisciotti1 2004
Buffalo Bills South KoreaUnited States Kim and United StatesTerry Pegula 2014
Carolina Panthers United States Jerry Richardson2 1993
Chicago Bears United States Virginia Halas McCaskey†‡3 1983
Cincinnati Bengals United States Mike Brown3 1991
Cleveland Browns United States Jimmy Haslam 2012
Dallas Cowboys United States Jerry Jones 1989
Denver Broncos United States Pat Bowlen6 (Bowlen Family Trust) 1984
Detroit Lions United States Martha Ford[1] 2014
Green Bay Packers United States Green Bay Packers, Inc. (governed by a Board of Directors)5 1923
Houston Texans United States Robert C. McNair2 1999
Indianapolis Colts United States Jim Irsay 1997
Jacksonville Jaguars PakistanUnited States Shahid Khan 2012
Kansas City Chiefs United StatesClark Hunt3 2006
Los Angeles Chargers United States Alex Spanos† and family1,6 1984
Los Angeles Rams United States Stan Kroenke1 2010
Miami Dolphins United States Stephen M. Ross 2008
Minnesota Vikings GermanyUnited States Zygi Wilf 2005
New England Patriots United States Robert Kraft 1994
New Orleans Saints United States Tom Benson 1985
New York Giants United States John Mara (50%)4
United States Steve Tisch (50%)
2005
New York Jets United States Robert Wood Johnson IV 2000
Oakland Raiders United States Carol and Mark Davis (mother and son)†‡ 2011
Philadelphia Eagles United States Jeffrey Lurie and Christina Weiss Lurie 1994
Pittsburgh Steelers United States Art Rooney II4 (60%) and family (12%)3,4 2017
San Francisco 49ers United States Jed York1 2009
Seattle Seahawks United States Paul Allen 1997
Tampa Bay Buccaneers United States Bryan Glazer, Edward Glazer, Joel Glazer and Darcie Kassewitz‡ 2014
Tennessee Titans United States Susie Smith, Amy Strunk, Susan Lewis 3 Barclay and Kenneth Adams IV‡4 2013
Washington Redskins United States Dan Snyder 1999

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Here are the NBA owners;

Franchise Principal Owner(s) Operating Entities Owned Since
Atlanta Hawks United States Tony Ressler, Grant Hill, Steven Price, Rick Schnall, Sara Blakely, Jesse Itzler Hawks Basketball, Inc. 2015
Boston Celtics United States Wyc Grousbeck Boston Basketball Partners 2002
Brooklyn Nets Russia Mikhail Prokhorov ONEXIM Sports and Entertainment Holding USA, Inc. 2010
Charlotte Hornets United States Michael Jordan Hornets Sports & Entertainment, Hornets Basketball Holdings, LLC 2010
Chicago Bulls United States Jerry Reinsdorf Chicago Professional Sports Limited Partnership 1985
Cleveland Cavaliers United States Dan Gilbert   2005
Dallas Mavericks United States Mark Cuban Dallas Basketball Limited 2000
Denver Nuggets United States Ann Walton Kroenke Kroenke Sports & Entertainment, Denver Nuggets Limited Partnership 2000
Detroit Pistons United States Tom Gores Palace Sports & Entertainment, Detroit Pistons Basketball Company 2011
Golden State Warriors Joe Lacob (majority), United States Peter Guber GSW Sports LLC 2010
Houston Rockets United States Tilman Fertitta Fertitta Entertainment 2017
Indiana Pacers United States Herbert Simon Pacers Sports & Entertainment, Pacers Basketball, LLC 1983
Los Angeles Clippers United States Steve Ballmer[1] LAC Basketball Club, Inc. 2014
Los Angeles Lakers United States Jeanie Buss, United States Jim Buss and United States Johnny Buss, along with siblings in the Jerry Buss family trust.[2] The Los Angeles Lakers, Inc. 1979
Memphis Grizzlies United States Robert J. Pera, Daniel E. Straus, Steven Kaplan Memphis Basketball LLC 2012
Miami Heat IsraelUnited States Micky Arison Miami Heat Limited Partnership 1995
Milwaukee Bucks United States Marc Lasry and United States Wesley Edens Milwaukee Bucks, Inc. 2014
Minnesota Timberwolves United States Glen Taylor Minnesota Timberwolves Basketball Limited Partnership 1995
New Orleans Pelicans United States Tom Benson New Orleans Pelicans NBA Limited Partnership 2012
New York Knicks United States James Dolan The Madison Square Garden Company, New York Knicks, Inc. 1997
Oklahoma City Thunder United States Clay Bennett Professional Basketball Club LLC 2006
Orlando Magic United States Richard DeVos RDV Sports, Inc., Orlando Magic, Ltd. 1991
Philadelphia 76ers United States Joshua Harris, Adam Aron, David Blitzer, Martin J. Geller, David B. Heller, Travis Hennings, James Lassiter, Marc Leder, Michael Rubin, Will Smith, Jada Pinkett Smith, Art Wrubel, Handy Soetedjo, Indonesia Erick Thohir, Kevin Hart Philadelphia 76ers, Inc. 2011
Phoenix Suns United States Robert Sarver Suns Legacy Partners, LLC 2004
Portland Trail Blazers United States Paul Allen Vulcan Inc., Trail Blazers, Inc. 1988
Sacramento Kings India Vivek Ranadivé,[3] Paul E. Jacobs, Gary E. Jacobs, Hal Jacobs, Jeffrey A. Jacobs[4] Sacramento Kings Partnership Group (operating entity yet to be named) 2013
San Antonio Spurs United States Peter Holt Spurs Sports & Entertainment, San Antonio Spurs LLC 1993
Toronto Raptors Canada Larry Tanenbaum Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, Toronto Raptors Basketball Club 1998
Utah Jazz United States Gail Miller Larry H. Miller Sports & Entertainment, Jazz Basketball Investors, Inc. 1985
Washington Wizards United States Ted Leonsis Monumental Sports & Entertainment 2010

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None of these appear to fit that category.....though there is the one Russian guy, owner of the Nets, plus one of the partners is an Indian.

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Here are the Major League Baseball owners:

Team Principal owner(s) Operating entities Purchase price Year
Arizona Diamondbacks Ken Kendrick AZPB LP, AZPBI Inc. $130,000,000 1995
Atlanta Braves Liberty Media Atlanta National League Baseball Club Inc. $450,000,000 [a] 2007
Baltimore Orioles Peter Angelos Baltimore Orioles LP, Baltimore Orioles Inc., Baltimore Baseball Club Inc. $173,000,000 1993
Boston Red Sox John W. Henry Boston Red Sox Baseball Club LP, Fenway Sports Group LLC $660,000,000 2002
Chicago Cubs Thomas S. Ricketts Chicago National League Ball Club Inc. $845,000,000 2009
Chicago White Sox Jerry Reinsdorf Chicago White Sox Ltd., Chisox Corp. $20,000,000 1981
Cincinnati Reds Bob Castellini Cincinnati Reds LLC $270,000,000 2005
Cleveland Indians Larry Dolan Cleveland Indians Baseball Co. LP $323,000,000 1999
Colorado Rockies Charlie Monfort Colorado Baseball Partnership, Colorado Rockies Baseball Club Ltd. $95,000,000 1992
Detroit Tigers Christopher Ilitch Olympia Entertainment, Detroit Tigers Inc. $82,000,000 1992
Houston Astros Jim Crane Crane Capital Group, Houston Astros Inc., Houston Astros, LLC $615,000,000 2011
Kansas City Royals David Glass Kansas City Royals Baseball Corp. $96,000,000 2000
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Arturo Moreno Angels Baseball LP, Moreno Baseball LP $184,000,000 2003
Los Angeles Dodgers Mark Walter Guggenheim Baseball Management, Los Angeles Dodgers, Inc. $2,000,000,000 2012
Miami Marlins Bruce Sherman Miami Marlins LP, Miami Marlins Inc., Miami Marlins Baseball Ltd. $1,300,000,000 2018
Milwaukee Brewers Mark Attanasio Milwaukee Brewers Baseball Club, Milwaukee Brewers Holdings LLC $223,000,000 2005
Minnesota Twins Jim Pohlad Minnesota Twins, MTI Partnership LLP $44,000,000 1984
New York Mets Fred Wilpon Sterling Doubleday Enterprises LC, Mets Partners Inc. $391,000,000 2002
New York Yankees Hal Steinbrenner Yankee Global Enterprises $8,700,000 [1] 1973
Oakland Athletics John J. Fisher Oakland Athletics Limited Partnership [2] $180,000,000 2005
Philadelphia Phillies David Montgomery The Phillies $30,000,000 1981
Pittsburgh Pirates Robert Nutting Pittsburgh Associates LP, Pittsburgh Baseball Inc. $92,000,000 1996
San Diego Padres Ron Fowler The Padres Group, Padres LP, Padres Inc. $800,000,000 [c][3] 2012
San Francisco Giants Charlie Johnson San Francisco Baseball Associates LP, SF Giants Baseball Club $100,000,000 1992
Seattle Mariners John W. Stanton Baseball Club of Seattle LP, Baseball of Seattle Inc. $106,000,000 1992
St. Louis Cardinals William DeWitt, Jr. St. Louis Cardinals LLC, St. Louis National Baseball Club Inc. $150,000,000 
1995 Tampa Bay Rays Stuart Sternberg Tampa Bay Devil Rays Ltd. $130,000,000 1995 Texas Rangers Ray Davis Rangers Baseball Express, Texas Rangers Baseball Club $593,000,000 2010 Toronto Blue Jays Rogers Communications Rogers Blue Jays Baseball Partnership, Toronto Blue Jays Baseball Ltd $140,000,000 2000 Washington Nationals Lerner Enterprises Washington Nationals Baseball Club LLC $450,000,000 2006

 

Again...nothing like what you say....though a few companies are involved...and I don't know about there makeup.

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Franchise Principal Owner(s) Operating Entities Year Purchased
Anaheim Ducks United States Henry Samueli Anaheim Ducks Hockey Club LLC 2005
Arizona Coyotes United States Andrew Barroway IceArizona Acquisition Co., LLC 2014
Boston Bruins United States Jeremy Jacobs Boston Professional Hockey Association, Inc 1975
Buffalo Sabres United States Terrence Pegula Hockey Western New York, LLC; Pegula Sports and Entertainment 2011
Calgary Flames Canada N. Murray Edwards Calgary Sports and Entertainment 1980
Carolina Hurricanes United States Peter Karmanos, Jr. Gale Force Sports And Entertainment, LLC; Carolina Hurricanes Hockey Club 1994
Chicago Blackhawks United States Rocky Wirtz Chicago Blackhawk Hockey Team, Inc. 1954
Colorado Avalanche United States Ann Walton Kroenke Kroenke Sports & Entertainment; Colorado Avalanche, LLC 2000
Columbus Blue Jackets United States John P. McConnell Colhoc Limited Partnership, The Columbus Blue Jackets Hockey Club 2000
Dallas Stars Canada Tom Gaglardi Dallas Stars LP 2011
Detroit Red Wings United States Estate of Mike Ilitch Ilitch Holdings Inc.; Olympia Entertainment; Detroit Red Wings, Inc. 1982
Edmonton Oilers Canada Daryl Katz Rexall Sports Corporation; Oilers Entertainment Group 2008
Florida Panthers United States Vincent Viola Sunrise Sports and Entertainment; Florida Panthers Hockey Club, Ltd. 2013
Los Angeles Kings United States Philip Anschutz and United States Edward P. Roski Anschutz Entertainment Group, The Los Angeles Kings Hockey Club LP 1995
Minnesota Wild United States Craig Leipold Minnesota Sports and Entertainment; Minnesota Wild Hockey Club, LP 2008
Montreal Canadiens Canada Molson Family Club de hockey Canadien, Inc. 2009
Nashville Predators United States Thomas Cigarran Predators Holdings LLC 2007
New Jersey Devils United States Joshua Harris New Jersey Devils LLC 2013
New York Islanders United States Jon Ledecky and United States Scott D. Malkin New York Islanders Hockey Club, LP 2014
New York Rangers United States James L. Dolan The Madison Square Garden Company, New York Rangers Hockey Club 1997
Ottawa Senators Canada Eugene Melnyk Capital Sports Properties; Ottawa Senators Hockey Club Limited Partnership 2003
Philadelphia Flyers United States Brian L. Roberts Comcast Spectacor; Philadelphia Flyers, LP 1996
Pittsburgh Penguins United States Ronald Burkle and Canada Mario Lemieux Lemieux Group LP 1999
San Jose Sharks Germany Hasso Plattner Sharks Sports and Entertainment; San Jose Sports & Entertainment Enterprises; San Jose Sharks, LLC 2002
St. Louis Blues United States Tom Stillman SLB Acquisition Holdings LLC; St. Louis Blues Hockey Club, L.P. 2012
Tampa Bay Lightning United States Jeffrey Vinik Lightning Hockey LP 2010
Toronto Maple Leafs Canada Larry Tanenbaum Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, Ltd.; Kilmer Sports, Inc. 1996
Vancouver Canucks Canada Francesco Aquilini Canucks Sports & Entertainment 2004
Vegas Golden Knights United States Bill Foley Black Knight Sports & Entertainment, Hockey Vision Las Vegas 2016
Washington Capitals United States Ted Leonsis Mounumental Sports and Entertainment 1999
Winnipeg Jets Canada Mark Chipman True North Sports & Entertainment, Ltd. 2011

 

And here is Hockey....all Americans and Canadians except one German guy.

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Here are the MLS owners.....but just FYI.....this soccer league is not considered one of the North American "Major Leagues"...there are just the Big Four for now.  (maybe someday in the future it will achieve what is considered ""major" status)

Major League Soccer Ownership
Franchise Owner(s)
United States Atlanta United FC United States Arthur Blank (AMB Sports and Entertainment Group)
United States Chicago Fire United States Andrew Hauptman (Andell Holdings)
United States Colorado Rapids United States Stan Kroenke (Kroenke Sports & Entertainment)
United States Columbus Crew United States Anthony Precourt (Precourt Sports Ventures LLC)
United States D.C. United Indonesia Erick Thohir
United States Jason Levien
United States William Chang (D.C. United Holdings)
United States FC Dallas United States Clark Hunt
United States Houston Dynamo Mexico Gabriel Brener
United States Jake Silverstein
United States Ben Guill
United States Mexico Oscar De La Hoya (Golden Boy Promotions)
United States Los Angeles FC Vietnam Henry Nguyen
United States Peter Guber
United States Tom Penn
Malaysia Ruben Gnanalingam
Malaysia Vincent Tan
United States Will Ferrell
United States Magic Johnson
United States Nomar Garciaparra
United States Mia Hamm Garciaparra
United States Tony Robbins
United States Allen Shapiro
United States Bennett Rosenthal
United States Brandon Schneider
United States Chad Hurley
United States Harry Tsao
United States Irwin P. Raij
United States Jason Sugarman
United States Kirk Lacob
United States Larry Berg
United States Mike Mahan
United States Mark Leschly
United States Paul Schaeffer
United States Rick Welts
United States Los Angeles Galaxy United States Philip Anschutz (AEG)
United States Minnesota United FC United States William W. McGuire
Canada Montreal Impact Canada Joey Saputo
United States New England Revolution United States Robert Kraft
United States New York City FC United Arab Emirates Sheikh Mansour (City Football Group)
China Ruigang Li (City Football Group)
United States Hal Steinbrenner (Yankee Global Enterprises)
United States Hank Steinbrenner (Yankee Global Enterprises)
United States New York Red Bulls Austria Dietrich Mateschitz (Red Bull GmbH)
United States Orlando City SC Brazil Flavio Augusto da Silva
England Phil Rawlins
United States Philadelphia Union United States Keystone Sports & Entertainment, LLC
United States Portland Timbers United States Merritt Paulson (Peregrine Sports, LLC)
United States Real Salt Lake United States Dell Loy Hansen
United States San Jose Earthquakes United States Lewis Wolff (Earthquakes Soccer, LLC)
United States John Fisher (Earthquakes Soccer, LLC)
United States Seattle Sounders FC United States Joe Roth
United States Paul Allen
United States Adrian Hanauer
United States Drew Carey
United States Sporting Kansas City United States Sporting Club
Canada Toronto FC Canada Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment
Canada Vancouver Whitecaps FC Canada Greg Kerfoot
United States Steve Luczo
Canada Jeff Mallett
Canada Steve Nash

 

I see there is one here that fits what you say:  the New York city Club.....who are partners in it with the owner of the New York Yankees.

I also see where several NFL owners own shares in some of these teams:

Arthur Blank, owns the Atlanta Falcons

Paul Allen, owner of the Seahawks

Robert Kraft owns the Patriots

Clark Hunt owns the Chiefs

Kroenke owns the Rams.

 

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5 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Here are the MLS owners.....but just FYI.....this soccer league is not considered one of the North American "Major Leagues"...there are just the Big Four for now.  (maybe someday in the future it will achieve what is considered ""major" status)

Major League Soccer Ownership
Franchise Owner(s)
United States Atlanta United FC United States Arthur Blank (AMB Sports and Entertainment Group)
United States Chicago Fire United States Andrew Hauptman (Andell Holdings)
United States Colorado Rapids United States Stan Kroenke (Kroenke Sports & Entertainment)
United States Columbus Crew United States Anthony Precourt (Precourt Sports Ventures LLC)
United States D.C. United Indonesia Erick Thohir
United States Jason Levien
United States William Chang (D.C. United Holdings)
United States FC Dallas United States Clark Hunt
United States Houston Dynamo Mexico Gabriel Brener
United States Jake Silverstein
United States Ben Guill
United States Mexico Oscar De La Hoya (Golden Boy Promotions)
United States Los Angeles FC Vietnam Henry Nguyen
United States Peter Guber
United States Tom Penn
Malaysia Ruben Gnanalingam
Malaysia Vincent Tan
United States Will Ferrell
United States Magic Johnson
United States Nomar Garciaparra
United States Mia Hamm Garciaparra
United States Tony Robbins
United States Allen Shapiro
United States Bennett Rosenthal
United States Brandon Schneider
United States Chad Hurley
United States Harry Tsao
United States Irwin P. Raij
United States Jason Sugarman
United States Kirk Lacob
United States Larry Berg
United States Mike Mahan
United States Mark Leschly
United States Paul Schaeffer
United States Rick Welts
United States Los Angeles Galaxy United States Philip Anschutz (AEG)
United States Minnesota United FC United States William W. McGuire
Canada Montreal Impact Canada Joey Saputo
United States New England Revolution United States Robert Kraft
United States New York City FC United Arab Emirates Sheikh Mansour (City Football Group)
China Ruigang Li (City Football Group)
United States Hal Steinbrenner (Yankee Global Enterprises)
United States Hank Steinbrenner (Yankee Global Enterprises)
United States New York Red Bulls Austria Dietrich Mateschitz (Red Bull GmbH)
United States Orlando City SC Brazil Flavio Augusto da Silva
England Phil Rawlins
United States Philadelphia Union United States Keystone Sports & Entertainment, LLC
United States Portland Timbers United States Merritt Paulson (Peregrine Sports, LLC)
United States Real Salt Lake United States Dell Loy Hansen
United States San Jose Earthquakes United States Lewis Wolff (Earthquakes Soccer, LLC)
United States John Fisher (Earthquakes Soccer, LLC)
United States Seattle Sounders FC United States Joe Roth
United States Paul Allen
United States Adrian Hanauer
United States Drew Carey
United States Sporting Kansas City United States Sporting Club
Canada Toronto FC Canada Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment
Canada Vancouver Whitecaps FC Canada Greg Kerfoot
United States Steve Luczo
Canada Jeff Mallett
Canada Steve Nash

 

I see there is one here that fits what you say:  the New York city Club.....who are partners in it with the owner of the New York Yankees.

I also see where several NFL owners own shares in some of these teams:

Arthur Blank, owns the Atlanta Falcons

Paul Allen, owner of the Seahawks

Robert Kraft owns the Patriots

Clark Hunt owns the Chiefs

Kroenke owns the Rams.

 

 

I have heard that MLS is a minor league. 

I think that NFL owners having MLS teams has to do with the soccer teams being less expensive to maintain and if you already have the facilities for an NFL team, well, a soccer team needs less facilities overall (there's way less people in a soccer team).

My guess is that arabs and asiatics get into european soccer because it is a sport already popular in their countries, so it is an easy way to become popular. Also, economically I'd bet that european teams in some countries have more problems economically than in the US (at least in Spain) and soccer teams are not as expensive. 

 

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There was a big discussion about this very subject this morning on Mike and Mike.  Their contention is that some of these Billionaires purchase sports teams because, even though they have big money....that alone does not bring them fame and adulation....whereas being the owner of a sports franchise does just that for many.

And I think there is some truth in that.  Who ever heard of Jimmy Haslam before he bought the Browns?   Well, his brother is governor of Tenn....which brought his brother fame. Maybe Jimmy wanted some of that. 

The biggest publicity seeker of them all is Jerry Jones.  In fact, this arrogant asswipe went so far as to call himself the "ranking" owner in the NFL.  People on the radio were trying to figure out what that meant. While his team may be the most valuable, he is far from the wealthiest.  See the list above.  A half dozen other owners are worth more.  He certainly is NOT the longest tenured. Think of Families like the Maras, Rooneys, Halas/McCaskey, Mike Brown etc.  Much longer tenured. HE calls himself the "ranking" owner because in his own arrogant mind he thinks he is the most important/influential owner, apparently.  Well...I am not sure the other owners go along with that.  He is in this tussle with Arthur Blank over Roger Goodell's contract...and he is going to lose.    He is seen as a guy who is all in favor of things like hammering the Pats for their indiscretions, and having Goodell suspend players for alleged misbehavior.......until and unless it is one of his players who get disciplined.  Then he gets all butthurt over it. In other words, he is a hypocrite.

And, in one sense, maybe he should be.  He is in that tussle with Blank....but did you see what happened when Blank's Falcons met the Cowboys on Sunday....the Falcons hammered the Cowboys.

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The problem in european soccer is, as there is no cap salary (I envy NFL for that), if the owner of your team is an association, or a billionaire, makes a huge difference in the team and therefore the competition. 

For instance, my home team, Osasuna, is owned by the fans, and we don't have a millionaire inverting on it, so it is pretty difficult for a team located in a region with 500,000 inhabitants to even stay in Spanish Primera Division. There are other teams with more numerous fanbases or with more investors and that affects the competition. 

Anyway, there's a proud feeling of having a team owned by the fans. 

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20 minutes ago, Nero said:

The problem in european soccer is, as there is no cap salary (I envy NFL for that), if the owner of your team is an association, or a billionaire, makes a huge difference in the team and therefore the competition. 

For instance, my home team, Osasuna, is owned by the fans, and we don't have a milliona ire inverting on it, so it is pretty difficult for a team located in a region with 500,000 inhabitants to even stay in Spanish Primera Division. There are other teams with more numerous fanbases or with more investors and that affects the competition. 

Anyway, there's a proud feeling of having a team owned by the fans. 

Salary caps a good necessary "evil" in sports, without them you end up with the NY YANKEE$. :lol:

ALSO of the 32 NFL teams 17 show ownership after 2000 and only 5 excluding GB before 1990......new money or at least new financing. 

Rich people have always owned sports teams, race horses, sailing ships why? Because they are the only ones that can. :huh:

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26 minutes ago, Nero said:

The problem in european soccer is, as there is no cap salary (I envy NFL for that), if the owner of your team is an association, or a billionaire, makes a huge difference in the team and therefore the competition. 

For instance, my home team, Osasuna, is owned by the fans, and we don't have a millionaire inverting on it, so it is pretty difficult for a team located in a region with 500,000 inhabitants to even stay in Spanish Primera Division. There are other teams with more numerous fanbases or with more investors and that affects the competition. 

Anyway, there's a proud feeling of having a team owned by the fans. 

The ONLY NFL team that has that distinction is the Green Bay Packers.  In fact, the league now has a rule against having a community owned franchise. The NFL wants only greedy rich people with profit motivation to own their teams. Its a fact.  (and FYI...the salary cap is instituted to guarantee that each of these greedy owners makes a lot of money. But...on the other hand, most fans feel that is good nevertheless because it promotes parity....and avoids the situation just as you state:  that only the wealthy, big market teams take all the good players and all the titles.

But, here is an interesting phenomena:   The one league that does NOT have a salary cap is baseball.  Yet, it is baseball that has had about the most parity of any of the sports. 

I would have to check on whether any of the other teams in the other leagues are essentially "community owned"....but I doubt that they are.

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I found interesting when I saw on your first post that GB was owned by the fans, which I already knew, BUT that it also was founded in 1923... Osasuna was founded in 1920, lol.

In Spanish League, anyway, I just recall Real Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Club de Bilbao and Osasuna. Maybe there are more, but those ones have been a constant mention at least in Primera Division.

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12 minutes ago, Nero said:

I found interesting when I saw on your first post that GB was owned by the fans, which I already knew, BUT that it also was founded in 1923... Osasuna was founded in 1920, lol.

In Spanish League, anyway, I just recall Real Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Club de Bilbao and Osasuna. Maybe there are more, but those ones have been a constant mention at least in Primera Division.

The Packers actually go back further than 1923.   They were a "club" team prior to that for years.  The NFL formed in 1920. The Packers joined a year later in 1921.  (only the Bears and the Cardinals are original 1920 current NFL teams).  That 1923 date may have been when there was some corporate reorganization or something.)

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Curious question:     What ever happened to Ted Turner?

At one time he owned the Atlanta Braves, the Atlanta Hawks, and the Atlanta NHL team....that eventually moved to Winnipeg.  He must have moved on from owning sports teams.

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7 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Curious question:     What ever happened to Ted Turner?

At one time he owned the Atlanta Braves, the Atlanta Hawks, and the Atlanta NHL team....that eventually moved to Winnipeg.  He must have moved on from owning sports teams.

He's still around but gone for a decade (+/-) from the Braves, strange dude but I'm forever thankful for TCM which I'm watching now.

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40 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

The ONLY NFL team that has that distinction is the Green Bay Packers.  In fact, the league now has a rule against having a community owned franchise. The NFL wants only greedy rich people with profit motivation to own their teams. Its a fact.  (and FYI...the salary cap is instituted to guarantee that each of these greedy owners makes a lot of money. But...on the other hand, most fans feel that is good nevertheless because it promotes parity....and avoids the situation just as you state:  that only the wealthy, big market teams take all the good players and all the titles.

But, here is an interesting phenomena:   The one league that does NOT have a salary cap is baseball.  Yet, it is baseball that has had about the most parity of any of the sports. 

I would have to check on whether any of the other teams in the other leagues are essentially "community owned"....but I doubt that they are.

MLB is a bit different especially with their farm system expenses compare with the NFL, NBA but you GENERALLY still want to be in the upper echelon of payrolls to be competitive  (FORBES opening day payroll, not after the in season dumps):

Rk '17Team2017 PayrollRk '162016 Payroll% +/-1

Dodgers$225,553,0871$234,648,955-3.9%2

Tigers$199,750,6003$195,901,4812.0%3

Yankees$195,282,0582$225,228,650-13.3%4

Giants$181,514,4315$173,203,2784.8%5

Red Sox$178,818,0524$190,377,215-6.1%6

Cubs$176,872,3126$170,266,5983.9%7

Rangers$173,114,7308$149,338,55315.9%8

Nationals$164,591,08810$147,084,54611.9%9

Orioles$164,261,2999$147,894,71311.1%10

Angels$164,050,8337$166,285,8331.3%11

Mets$155,641,37913$138,871,05712.1%12

Mariners$154,157,72012$142,323,2908.3%13

Cardinals$150,380,00011$144,596,0004.0%14

Royals$145,925,25015$137,318,4776.3%15

BlueJays$143,941,10014$138,063,2284.3%16

Rockies$127,943,57117$113,244,57113.0%17

Braves$126,079,52422$95,371,64832.2%18

Indians$125,808,02927$87,196,40044.3%19

Astros$122,407,23323$94,058,50030.1%20

Marlins$120,191,29728$74,851,29560.6%21Phillies$111,868,37825$91,852,16721.8%22Twins$104,837,50018$104,083,7000.7%23W. Sox$100,054,93716$115,248,667-13.2%24DBacks$93,180,49921$97,266,463-4.2%25Reds$93,026,28624$92,732,3030.3%26Pirates$91,499,17220$98,780,500-7.4%27Athletics$81,738,33426$87,326,233-6.4%28Rays$71,351,61129$67,291,0086.0%29Padres$61,411,78919$102,381,219-40.0%30Brewers$60,810,09030$59,843,4361.6%

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1 hour ago, mjp28 said:

Salary caps a good necessary "evil" in sports, without them you end up with the NY YANKEE$. :lol:

ALSO of the 32 NFL teams 17 show ownership after 2000 and only 5 excluding GB before 1990......new money or at least new financing. 

Rich people have always owned sports teams, race horses, sailing ships why? Because they are the only ones that can. :huh:

Wasn't Ted Stepien the reason that a salary cap was invented to begin with?

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1 hour ago, flyingfooldoug said:

Wasn't Ted Stepien the reason that a salary cap was invented to begin with?

No.   I don't think so. He was responsible for the "Stepian rule", which as far as I know is still in place.  That rule says that an NBA team may not trade more than one of its future first round draft picks in a row.   Stepian had traded like 4-5 of the Cavs future draft picks in like one year....and only picking up a bunch of mediocre at best players....the likes of Scott Wedman etc.   (how is that for a blast from the past?)

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3 hours ago, The Gipper said:

No.   I don't think so. He was responsible for the "Stepian rule", which as far as I know is still in place.  That rule says that an NBA team may not trade more than one of its future first round draft picks in a row.   Stepian had traded like 4-5 of the Cavs future draft picks in like one year....and only picking up a bunch of mediocre at best players....the likes of Scott Wedman etc.   (how is that for a blast from the past?)

I thought he started way overpaying for players like W B Free. Been awhile tho. 

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9 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said:

I thought he started way overpaying for players like W B Free. Been awhile tho. 

He didn't overpay for World B. Free.  World B. Free may have saved this franchise.   No....it was for the fact that he stripped the club of any future in return for a handful of magic beans....that were inert.

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5 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

He didn't overpay for World B. Free.  World B. Free may have saved this franchise.   No....it was for the fact that he stripped the club of any future in return for a handful of magic beans....that were inert.

Ok, it seems he had some interesting views on race too. 

 

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8 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said:

Ok, it seems he had some interesting views on race too. 

 

You mean Stepian? Yea...I think he had a kind of plantation mentality.   Here was some of his handiwork:

Stepien-Trades-Redo3.png?resize=1024,397

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