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We need a good OC.  Nothing more... nothing less.  

He can come up with a gameplan that will cater to our talent and we can win some games

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Even the best OC in the world can't win with Kizer. Although I agree with you in that we need an OC, what's he supposed to do with a young QB who's scared to throw it across the middle, can't deliver the ball in the red zone, and can't read a defense? We needed Garoppolo, we didn't get him. Now we need Kirk Cousins and he doesn't want to play for us (total shocker). 

I can't wait to call our radio show and rip Nathan Zegura a new one after Josh and Corey are on the field and Kizer STILL stinks. Nathan continously says Kizer just needs weapons and I'm tired of listening to his excuses. With Josh and Corey, Kizer will have a legit #1 and #2, as well as backs that excel at catching the ball and tight ends who also have talent. Can't wait to hear his new excuses, and stay tuned for when I tear him apart on the radio show. 

You know, if Thomas wasn't hurt I'd say we could probably win a few games with Kessler in at QB, but I'm not sure we can play him now because he just goes down so easily. But regardless, we're going to see Cody sooner than later, and it's just a matter of time as Hue fights to keep his job. I think our defense will keep us in the game for several weeks, and the temptation to win will be too much for Hue to resist trying everyone he can at QB. We'll have 3-4 games in the 2nd half of the season where it'll be a one score game at half time, and every game will be the same story: our defense keeps it close, while Kizer doesn't throw touchdowns. Hue Jackson will go to Kessler, but maybe, just maybe....Cody can do JUST enough to win a few. But mark this down....if....IF we do win a game (or maybe more than one! *gasp*) the QB playing at the end of the game WON'T be Kizer. 

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After we get our butts blown apart next week, it'll be full blown panic time. The chants to bring in Kaepernick will reach fever pitch, regardless of how fans feel about his politics. And remember, he wasn't protesting the ANTHEM, he's protesting disparate treatment from police to black Americans. Who can't get on board with that? Anyway, this is not a political post. All I'm saying is Kaepernick can help our team, and let's get him now so he can start working with Gordon and Coleman in 2 weeks. 

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12 hours ago, Kvoethe said:

We need a good OC.  Nothing more... nothing less.  

He can come up with a gameplan that will cater to our talent and we can win some games

Well we need some Playmakers too. We need a better and more experienced quarterback then we have. We need people to throw to that can catch a football that hits them in the hands. We need a better running back. Maybe if there was a passing threat the running backs we have would look better.

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Jerry Rice in his PRIME couldn't help Kizer. A QB still has to deliver the dang ball man. Go back and look at ALL of Kizer's red zone turnovers (if you have a strong stomach). Tell me how Jerry Rice makes it better. I know one interception was Britt's fault. Maybe 2 right? But the other ones weren't on the receivers. How many TIMES did we have open receivers in the end zone that Kizer missed? I counted 12 and stopped counting. 

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1 hour ago, jiggins7919 said:

After we get our butts blown apart next week, it'll be full blown panic time. The chants to bring in Kaepernick will reach fever pitch, regardless of how fans feel about his politics. And remember, he wasn't protesting the ANTHEM, he's protesting disparate treatment from police to black Americans. Who can't get on board with that? Anyway, this is not a political post. All I'm saying is Kaepernick can help our team, and let's get him now so he can start working with Gordon and Coleman in 2 weeks. 

  NO. Kaepernick would ruin the fanbase attendance that is taking a hit around the NFL as it is. NO NO NO. He's a waste of space.

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14 hours ago, Kvoethe said:

We need a good OC.  Nothing more... nothing less.  

He can come up with a gameplan that will cater to our talent and we can win some games

This x1000.

 

Hue has talent to work with - top 5 OL, RB who can take advantage, WR's who can get open with correct plays.

But Hue's O scheme requires a top5 OL AND a top QB AND a pro bowl WR [green] to even look like it's working.  Of course, what's not mentioned is that you could have run nearly anything in Cincy those years and it would have probably achieved MORE than what Hue did.

D this year could keep us in games if he had even a halfway competent offense.... but Hue is extraordinarily stubborn.  Great! So find us an OC.

 

Fact of the matter is: No FO will ever be perfect. Ozzie Newsome down in Baltimore is viewed as nearly a genius.. but he hasn't drafted even a passably useful WR yet.  Not a single one.. even Perriman [their last first-round pick] is going to not be offered a contract renewal.  Their cap is a disaster, as is their entire offense.  Yes, their D is amazing -- but the majority of this forum would scream for Newsome's firing long ago, calling him a "good player but not an executive" etc etc. You people should listen to the AM call-in radio discussions here in Boston about the Pats.

It's all well and good to talk about "standards" --- but I have not seen a single standard described that includes the reality of the uncertainty of all decision-making.

Every front office uses analytics.. not some of them, not part of them, not half of them.  If the person assigning numerical values to players is an ex-football player.. That's a football decision.

 

The only "football decision" I have seen over the last 2 years surrounding the Browns FO..... was an attempted ridiculous overpayment for a wildly inept McCarron.  So your [Every person who says "Football Player Making Football Decisions"] model for a winning organization is one that has other teams' castoffs at every position, trading away all draft picks on bad acquisitions due to a complete lack of understanding of appropriate player value?

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2 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

  NO. Kaepernick would ruin the fanbase attendance that is taking a hit around the NFL as it is. NO NO NO. He's a waste of space.

Only an idiot would allow their attitude toward Kaepernick to affect their fan affliliaiton for their team.

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4 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Only an idiot would allow their attitude toward Kaepernick to affect their fan affliliaiton for their team.

There's an obvious joke to be made about the correlation of people who voted for Trump and idiots, but I've been told that you can't talk politics on the Browns forum. :lol:

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23 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

There's an obvious joke to be made about the correlation of people who voted for Trump and idiots, but I've been told that you can't talk politics on the Browns forum. :lol:

It isn't even that.  I am only saying that if a Browns player did something I objected to....It would not put me off being a Browns fan.

And, I mean....what is so bad about what Kaepernick did in comparison to what a lot of other players have done?  Should I not be a Browns fan because some player commits domestic abuse?  Commits other  violence?  Is a drunkard or a druggie? We certainly know that Steeler fans are not put off on their loyalty to their team because they have a potential rapist in their midst.  Should I disavow my loyalty to my team because the owner's other business was subject to an FBI criminal investigation?  We know that Ravens fan are not put off of their loyalty even when one of their players is accused of being involved in a double homicide. 

If I don't get put off by all this crapola, why should a mild protest put me off? Should I be put off my loyalty because some player expresses homophobia (which likely 75% of them have done)...If I were an atheist (I'm not)....should I be put off my loyalty because some players express some religious point of view? You know, like crossing himself and pointing to heaven after he scores a TD? (I have no problem with such personal expressions of faith)  I guess we could go on and on and give all kinds of examples of where something some player does could find some people to find objectionable.  WTF ever they do is not going to put me off my feelings toward my sports team.   

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Why do people think Kap is a savior?  He was terrible during the back half of his tenure in SF and lost his starting job. Kizer just needs 2 legitimate WR's and the offense will be good. I think we win 3 of our last 5 once Josh and Corey return.

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23 minutes ago, TopDawg31 said:

Why do people think Kap is a savior?  He was terrible during the back half of his tenure in SF and lost his starting job. Kizer just needs 2 legitimate WR's and the offense will be good. I think we win 3 of our last 5 once Josh and Corey return.

 

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1 hour ago, TopDawg31 said:

Why do people think Kap is a savior?  He was terrible during the back half of his tenure in SF and lost his starting job. Kizer just needs 2 legitimate WR's and the offense will be good. I think we win 3 of our last 5 once Josh and Corey return.

His team wasn't very good but completing 60% of your passes for 72TDs and 30INTs is better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.

I don't think he is the savior but clearly better than any schit kicker on the roster right now but Browns fans seem to care more about kneeling for the anthem than winning.

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15 hours ago, TopDawg31 said:

Why do people think Kap is a savior?  He was terrible during the back half of his tenure in SF and lost his starting job. Kizer just needs 2 legitimate WR's and the offense will be good. I think we win 3 of our last 5 once Josh and Corey return.

Savior is a bit much. But how about someone who can score a few points? Throw a few touchdowns? Please tell me the last time Kizer threw a touchdown pass. 

There's something else. Some (including Browns Daily Nathan Zegura) have said Kizer just needs weapons, and this excuse makes me INSANE. What those idiots never explain is how or why better weapons will help Kizer see the field. How would they change ALL the times he missed open people for touchdown passes? Oh yeah it won't help. Believe me, if Josh makes it to the field, there's going to be times when he's open and Kizer either misses him or flat out doesn't see him. It's because Kizer isn't GOOD. Gordon can't throw the ball to himself. I'd LOVE to see Gordon play for the Pats, Cowboys, or the Falcons. Someone who can actually get him the ball. 

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On 11/2/2017 at 4:13 PM, Mark O said:

My gaskets are just fine.  Why don't you point out all the great players we're supposed to be excited about that your precious front office has drafted for us in the last 2 years?   You want more examples, these guys drafted Corey Coleman, how's he working out as a first round pick?  Kessler, Kizer, Hogan???  But next year they'll figure out the QB who is good right?   Next years draft is when they'll start trying to actually win games, in the meantime, spend your money on tickets and supporting the team while we suck at historic levels.

Coleman's been hurt. And none of the other first round WR picks are playing much better anyway. You should wait three years to do a proper evaluation on a guy at ANY position, but that is especially true at wide receiver. 

Kessler and Kizer were a couple of lottery picks because we can and because people want a QB and you never know who will hit. To act like we invested the house in those guys is a reach. Hogan was an UDFA. Don't even.

And that's completely ignoring all the guys who are playing decent football (and all the guys they got rid of who are not).

If it were me, I wouldn't even draft a QB next year either. But the fans are demanding we waste another first round pick on one, and around here, the tail wags the dog. 

I know, I know. 1-23. Don't waste your time.

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8 hours ago, wargograw said:

If it were me, I wouldn't even draft a QB next year either. But the fans are demanding we waste another first round pick on one, and around here, the tail wags the dog. 

I know, I know. 1-23. Don't waste your time.

So you would continue with the 3 headed suck monster we have at QB next year too?    So you're ok with another year of losing because this team with the QB's it has on the roster won't win more than a couple games even in they pick all studs with every pick.  That would be an unheard of amount of losing for one organization over a 3 year period but stay the course?  4 and 44 over a 3 year period and you'd still think these guys were doing the right thing?  I think you're overly patient in a league that teams turn themselves around a whole lot quicker than it taking 4 years just to be competitive. 

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I think we could win a few games next year with the guys we have. I would also consider taking a bridge QB to help the guys develop. I would also try very desperately to get Kirk Cousins.

I also probably wouldn't have cut McCown though I understood it at the time (we expected Kessler to be able to play to that level). 

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On 11/4/2017 at 8:17 AM, calfoxwc said:

  NO. Kaepernick would ruin the fanbase attendance that is taking a hit around the NFL as it is. NO NO NO. He's a waste of space.

This, regardless of your politics, people from Ohio and the midwest are very patriotic. I know a lot of older fans and veterans who would just not watch the Browns if Colin was our QB. I for one could care less about his kneeling if he could play, but Colin cares more about being a social justice warrior and a neo-marxist than he does playing football right now. He'd be more of a distraction then anything else, and if a scandal happened with him, we'd be even more of a joke.

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On 11/4/2017 at 6:01 PM, TopDawg31 said:

Why do people think Kap is a savior?  He was terrible during the back half of his tenure in SF and lost his starting job. Kizer just needs 2 legitimate WR's and the offense will be good. I think we win 3 of our last 5 once Josh and Corey return.

Nah- I'm with Jiggins- Jerry Rice in his prime wouldn't turn Kizer into a decent QB. 

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5 hours ago, hoorta said:

Nah- I'm with Jiggins- Jerry Rice in his prime wouldn't turn Kizer into a decent QB. 

It's true, Kizer makes Derek Anderson look like John Elway

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