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I really dont know what else to say here. We've spent the ladt 7-8 years under this "next up" mentality and it never works. It never will work either. Every single time one area of the team looks to be building something it gets torn up and reduced back to sht the bext year when a brand new FO and/or coaching staff roll into town. 

I have zero doubt bext when we're 0-8 u clowns will be calling for mcdaniels head. Our def will be back to being amongst the worst, the scheme changes that will invariably be ill fit to our personnel will frustrate the players beyond repair and they'll all want out. And they'll talk about the organizational and fanbase dysfunction. And every year we'll see the top draft prospects making impassioned pleas to teams to trade up and take them

welcome to tje new normal. If ur upset about 1-23 u will love 2-64 with the yearly draft dodging circus. Its bever going to end. You old guys should just consign urselves to never seeing another .500+ season. This is going to be a 0-4 win team for decades. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

I really dont know what else to say here. We've spent the ladt 7-8 years under this "next up" mentality and it never works. It never will work either. Every single time one area of the team looks to be building something it gets torn up and reduced back to sht the bext year when a brand new FO and/or coaching staff roll into town. 

I have zero doubt bext when we're 0-8 u clowns will be calling for mcdaniels head. Our def will be back to being amongst the worst, the scheme changes that will invariably be ill fit to our personnel will frustrate the players beyond repair and they'll all want out. And they'll talk about the organizational and fanbase dysfunction. And every year we'll see the top draft prospects making impassioned pleas to teams to trade up and take them

welcome to tje new normal. If ur upset about 1-23 u will love 2-64 with the yearly draft dodging circus. Its bever going to end. You old guys should just consign urselves to never seeing another .500+ season. This is going to be a 0-4 win team for decades. 

 

"Decades"

Sure...because us "old guys" can see a head coach who is in over his head and not doing a good job.   Yet you want to keep him because you're afraid of losing the defensive coordinator of a 0-9 team who's supposedly improved defense has been totally gashed in 4 of the 9 games and that is not counting the gashing  they took in the 2nd half against the Vikings.     Why is the defense suddenly going to get worse with essentially the same players and just a different coach?   Again..how did that work out for the Rams defense?  How much do you think they miss Williams this year?  I'd be willing to bet a lot that they don't miss him much.   Winning games will do that.  Maybe someday the Browns will actually win games instead of having some nice stats so we aren't talking about the coordinators.

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34 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

I really dont know what else to say here. We've spent the ladt 7-8 years under this "next up" mentality and it never works. It never will work either. Every single time one area of the team looks to be building something it gets torn up and reduced back to sht the bext year when a brand new FO and/or coaching staff roll into town. 

I have zero doubt bext when we're 0-8 u clowns will be calling for mcdaniels head. Our def will be back to being amongst the worst, the scheme changes that will invariably be ill fit to our personnel will frustrate the players beyond repair and they'll all want out. And they'll talk about the organizational and fanbase dysfunction. And every year we'll see the top draft prospects making impassioned pleas to teams to trade up and take them

welcome to tje new normal. If ur upset about 1-23 u will love 2-64 with the yearly draft dodging circus. Its bever going to end. You old guys should just consign urselves to never seeing another .500+ season. This is going to be a 0-4 win team for decades. 

 

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Or they could hire a new coach that nobody has ever heard of and begin the 1st year of what will become a dynasty...... Hey, this game is fun!

You don't know about the future any more than anyone else does - including us old dudes, yet you continue to speak in absolutes regarding it..... Us old guys know better. 

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6 minutes ago, D Bone said:

Or they could hire a new coach that nobody has ever heard of and begin the 1st year of what will become a dynasty......

you might be right, I mean one of these times we're bound to strike gold right? These last 5000 regime changes were a total fluke that they didn't work out. I mean odds are in a 100 years we're bound to have a lightning strike get rich quick in one year outcome right? bound to happen. Happens all the time for Cleveland, all the fukking time.

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9 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

you might be right, I mean one of these times we're bound to strike gold right? These last 5000 regime changes were a total fluke that they didn't work out. I mean odds are in a 100 years we're bound to have a lightning strike get rich quick in one year outcome right? bound to happen. Happens all the time for Cleveland, all the fukking time.

Dilly Dilly! 

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44 minutes ago, D Bone said:

Or they could hire a new coach that nobody has ever heard of and begin the 1st year of what will become a dynasty...... Hey, this game is fun!

You don't know about the future any more than anyone else does - including us old dudes, yet you continue to speak in absolutes regarding it..... Us old guys know better. 

Except that your way’s failed a bunch of times and ours hasn’t been tried. Fun game indeed. 

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Just now, wargograw said:

Except that your way’s failed a bunch of times and ours hasn’t been tried. Fun game indeed. 

So far it's going swimmingly. 

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All according to plan, yes. Sorry you didn’t read the warning label that came with this regime. 

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7 minutes ago, wargograw said:

All according to plan, yes. Sorry you didn’t read the warning label that came with this regime. 

I did see a label but it was written in hieroglyphics..... Something about a monkey, a doorknob and a humping motion? 

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7 minutes ago, D Bone said:

I did see a label but it was written in hieroglyphics..... Something about a monkey, a doorknob and a humping motion? 

Na its Larry Curly and Moe

 

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"I have some moneyball guys in our FO that I am really into these days"-Sashi Brown

 

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Well, I would say that we could agree in the beginning of the season that we needed a CB and FS. So the roster wasn't looking good from the beginning, in my opinion.

Being beaten by a 4th quater expert primarily pass based offense with a comeback quaterback shouldn't surprise anyone in the room. I thought it would be an X rated game and actually we held till the end of the 3rd quater when we lost Kizer, who was hot, for two drives.

I still say that our offense keeps down our defense. It happens with all the teams, if offense or defense doesn't work, the other resents. I agree that the points allowed stat is the most important one, but I would like to know how many snaps our defense gets in comparison with other teams. The possesion time is not the best reference because teams tend to attack our secondary instead of running the ball, but if you give more snaps to the other team, they got more chances to scoring.

So, I think defense looks 'promising', because players are young and the roster lacks some depth/skill players, which is something we knew in the offseason, but it's not good by any means. Anyway, I'd say it is difficult to judge with such a terrible offense. 

And I don't understand why if Hue leaves, Williams does it too. Could someone explain me, please?

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2 hours ago, Nero said:

I still say that our offense keeps down our defense. It happens with all the teams, if offense or defense doesn't work, the other resents. I agree that the points allowed stat is the most important one, but I would like to know how many snaps our defense gets in comparison with other teams. The possesion time is not the best reference because teams tend to attack our secondary instead of running the ball, but if you give more snaps to the other team, they got more chances to scoring.

So, I think defense looks 'promising', because players are young and the roster lacks some depth/skill players, which is something we knew in the offseason, but it's not good by any means. Anyway, I'd say it is difficult to judge with such a terrible offense. 

And I don't understand why if Hue leaves, Williams does it too. Could someone explain me, please?

In a couple of games, our offense has not helped the defense at all.   However, Indy, Houston, and Cincy marched up and down the field in the first half of the game.   I don't care what the offense was doing in those games, the defense has to do something to keep the team in the game in the first half.    There are some potentially good players on defense and its better than it was in years past (which isn't saying much) because the bar for the defense was so low but its far from a good defense. 

Only the people who don't want anything to change will say that Williams has to go if Hue is fired...they have no proof of this but they are reisistant to any change and want to see this shit show come back for another year and only after another year of bad playcalling,  stupifying clock management, and absurd use of time outs will they accept that Coach Huey is a bad HC.   There is no reason that Williams couldn't stay with a new HC.   In fact, again....look at the Rams for 2 reasons...one their defense seems to be just fine without Williams so apparently losing him didn't hurt them all that much, but also, I would think that a new young innovative hungry head coach would want to keep a respected DC around to make his job easier, much like what the Rams did when they hired Phillips to coach the defense.

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14 hours ago, gumby73 said:

This defense gets no better with losing guys like Collins again..In 9 games we gave up 146 points in the 1st half..vs 91 points in the 2nd half..In the last 2 games both Vikings & Lions scored 21 in 2nd half..42 of the 91 scored..that's not like a Gregg Williams defense..

We may need to go OLB high in the draft next year.   His replacement, Burgess....is a scrub.

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2 hours ago, Mark O said:

In a couple of games, our offense has not helped the defense at all.   However, Indy, Houston, and Cincy marched up and down the field in the first half of the game.   I don't care what the offense was doing in those games, the defense has to do something to keep the team in the game in the first half.    There are some potentially good players on defense and its better than it was in years past (which isn't saying much) because the bar for the defense was so low but its far from a good defense. 

Only the people who don't want anything to change will say that Williams has to go if Hue is fired...they have no proof of this but they are reisistant to any change and want to see this Sheet show come back for another year and only after another year of bad playcalling,  stupifying clock management, and absurd use of time outs will they accept that Coach Huey is a bad HC.   There is no reason that Williams couldn't stay with a new HC.   In fact, again....look at the Rams for 2 reasons...one their defense seems to be just fine without Williams so apparently losing him didn't hurt them all that much, but also, I would think that a new young innovative hungry head coach would want to keep a respected DC around to make his job easier, much like what the Rams did when they hired Phillips to coach the defense.

Guy, listen...."IF" Jimmy lets it be known that the defense isn't going anywhere, ie Williams, then yeah fine...if they part ways with Hue, ok. But the fact that you say "well there's no reason Williams has to go if a new HC comes in" shows exactly what me and a few other people have been trying to get across to you for multiple posts and in multiple threads. You just don't really understand how things "typically" work in the NFL. Maybe you're young I dunno. But "historically" regime changes mean a full house cleaning. Very rarely do DC's or OC's get exempted from this. I really don't know why that happens if for example you're getting rid of an offensive HC to bring in another offensive HC, why would he care who the DC is as long as the defense is showing promise....which ours is. I would "think" that say if McDaniels was going to come in he'd be happy to work with Williams. But truth is most of these arrogant assclowns want their own guys who suck up to their ego's. Just the way it is.

This is why I'm ok with Hue for another year. That'll be 3 years. If this Sheet show is still going on next year we can "safely" take Hue out in a helicopter ride way out over the lake and he can accidentally get pushed out. 3 years in the NFL can't hold it against the organization if there's hardly any improvement. Right now tho if we got rid of Hue the league narrative would be the same as when we let Pettine go and before that Chud and before that shurm and before that Mangini. And yea, it matter. You probably say "so fukking what" to what our league rep is. And that's because you don't get it. You don't understand that players don't want to fukking come here and get yo yo'd around from year to year through different schemes. Especially the defensive guys. I get it, you prob don't understand how defense works..especially from a personnel standpoint. Like why a 4-3 DE typically has his career and stats affected by a dipsht DC who comes in and says "hey you'd make a great OLB'er"......but trust me it does. Even the interior guys.

Remember that game during Pettine's time where Siragusa was telling about meeting Dansby and saying what the hell happened to you? and Dansby saying I had to lose like 20-30 lbs to play in this system..remember that? I mean look I hated Dansby but he made his name playing 3-4 ILB'er at Arizona and being one of the best in the league. He comes to Cleveland which was also running a 3-4 and for reasons I'm still not sure, couldn't make it work in Pettine's 3-4 at the same bodyweight he carried at AZ. So even within the same scheme things can evidently vary from DC to DC. So this notion that well we can get rid of the whole staff but should bring in another 4-3 guy, even that doesn't guarantee a major shakeup.

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2 hours ago, flyingfooldoug said:

No other defense in the NFL has 9 losses against zero wins.  

Do learn about the game of football sometime.

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18 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

Do learn about the game of football sometime.

yeah...in your world...wins and losses don't matter.  It's the rankings the team has that matter.   

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21 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

This is why I'm ok with Hue for another year. That'll be 3 years. If this Sheet show is still going on next year we can "safely" take Hue out in a helicopter ride way out over the lake and he can accidentally get pushed out. 3 years in the NFL can't hold it against the organization if there's hardly any improvement. Right now tho if we got rid of Hue the league narrative would be the same as when we let Pettine go and before that Chud and before that shurm and before that Mangini. And yea, it matter. You probably say "so fukking what" to what our league rep is.

 

I don't care the league rep.  I want to see wins.  I see a HC that is making mistakes that cost this team.  It's entirely possible that Mr. 1-24 and 2-30 is keeping this team from winning games.  His play calling is horrible...his clock management and use of time outs is grade school level and it's not getting any better.    I don't want to waste another season of watching this moron make mistakes.  

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I suspect they dipped quite a bit from those #6 and #9 rankings yesterday.

Notwithstanding the fuyuckyuckyuckups by the offense yesterday.....the defense did us no favors in that game.

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Clevfan - If you're not careful, Greg is gonna get a restraining order out on you. :P

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14 hours ago, wargograw said:

All according to plan, yes. Sorry you didn’t read the warning label that came with this regime. 

the plan was to set a 2 year record for futility?  Hmmm...please cite where they told us that.

Additionally, if that was the plan wouldn't this be a genius approach to take with any new job?  You go get hired for a new job and tell your boss "ok now, I'm going to suck at this job for the next two years worse than any other employee has ever sucked, and since I'm telling you that now you're going to be ok with it because it's all part of the plan so don't dare fire me".  

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7 minutes ago, Tacosman said:

the plan was to set a 2 year record for futility?  Hmmm...please cite where they told us that.

Additionally, if that was the plan wouldn't this be a genius approach to take with any new job?  You go get hired for a new job and tell your boss "ok now, I'm going to suck at this job for the next two years worse than any other employee has ever sucked, and since I'm telling you that now you're going to be ok with it because it's all part of the plan so don't dare fire me".  

You don't get it because you're not smart enough and don't know enough about football to understand.  That's what the sunshine and rainbow pumpers are telling us.  If you were smarter, you'd get it.  This is way to rebuild.....suck shit for 2 full years...give everyone a third year to continue sucking shit and things will improve.  

Fire Hue....watch the team get better.

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2 hours ago, Clevfan4life said:

Do learn about the game of football sometime.

It's called the Lombardi trophy for a reason. Read up on him and his theory on winning and football. You really are clueless to the game aren't you? 

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