Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 31 minutes ago, Mark O said: I don't have any idea. But I"m not going to pump up the defense as being great when those games happened. I'm not even saying that we should get rid of Williams, I think he's got the defense on the right track. But I'm still not going to blow the defense as being great or even good when there have been at least 3 games where they were butt raped in the first half of games so that kinda puts the "they're tired" excuse to rest doesn't it? Are they better than last year, sure...probably but there's still a long way to go. Listen, no ones lining up to line toss anybodys salad. I already stated they were weak on passing. But being #9 in overall defense when the new DC landed in clev 9 months ago isnt half bad and absolutely warrants not blowing this up again next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 37 minutes ago, Mark O said: Are they better than last year, sure...probably but there's still a long way to go. Not "probably", they are better than last year. U do remember how bad we were last year right? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/opp.htm it might take u awhile to find the browns what with all the scrolling you'll have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Clevfan4life said: Not "probably", they are better than last year. U do remember how bad we were last year right? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/opp.htm it might take u awhile to find the browns what with all the scrolling you'll have to do. They're still 0-8 so you can post all the stats you want. zero for 8 is still zero for 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 So we've improved a couple spots in passing defense and essentially made a quantum leap in rush defense. 31st to 6th.......someone ought to getbtheir salads tossed for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 People who want to point fingers and whine simply ignore facts ---- and when facts are presented, they avoid the facts even harder. Overhauling an organization is not easy.. despite the many assertions that "Just hire a football guy!" would naturally immediately be followed by endless riches. No doubt that's the same bunch who assert "Just draft playmakers!" yields infinite super bowls. Funny how the two people on this forum who have executed organizational change at the C-suite level [Tour and myself] realize that it's a long tough slog with many factors and milestones along the way. If you have no boots-on-the-ground knowledge of something, the smart way to approach that thing is to ask someone who has already done it... before formulating your own opinion. I think achieving results happens to demonstrate that "The Process" is working. Not complete by any stretch, but we're better now than we were last season. And next season there's no reason to assume we won't be better than we are this season. Just to be clear, Browns are #1 in Yards Given Up Per Rushing Attempt [total rushing yards / number of rushing plays].. I don't know what metric is being discussed when saying "we're #6" -- what is the numerator and denominator of that metric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, Mark O said: They're still 0-8 so you can post all the stats you want. zero for 8 is still zero for 8. I dont give a Sheet. Its not on the defense. Defense gas done more than enough fir us to have won at least a game or two. Now drive to berea and offer someone a nice long blowghob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Well thank god we have these great stats to fall back on despite winning a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said: People who want to point fingers and whine simply ignore facts ---- and when facts are presented, they avoid the facts even harder. Overhauling an organization is not easy.. despite the many assertions that "Just hire a football guy!" is immediately followed by endless riches. Funny how the two people on this forum who have executed organizational change at the C-suite level [Tour and myself] realize that it's a long tough slog with many factors and milestones along the way. If you have no boots-on-the-ground knowledge of something, the smart way to approach that thing is to ask someone who has already done it... before formulating your own opinion. I think achieving results happens to demonstrate that "The Process" is working. Not complete by any stretch, but we're better now than we were last season. Just to be clear, Browns are #1 in Yards Given Up Per Rushing Attempt [total rushing yards / number of rushing plays].. I don't know what metric is being discussed when saying "we're #6" -- what is the numerator and denominator of that metric? I dont know wut ur looking at but the browns def actually has the lowest ypc of any team in the nfl while being the most rushed against browns yds per attempt is 2.9.... best in the league. Yds per game overall is like 84. Thing tho is that all the teams above them havent been rushed against as much. Prob because those teams offenses actually score so the opposing offenses have to throw more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mark O said: Well thank god we have these great stats to fall back on despite winning a game. Yes, indeed thank god. We're finally building something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 On a more positive note: https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Cleveland-Browns-Myles-Garrett-clears-concussion-protocol-109759271 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: On a more positive note: https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Cleveland-Browns-Myles-Garrett-clears-concussion-protocol-109759271 Since we don't play for 12 days, I'll set the over/under at 13 days before the next report of injury comes out on Courtney............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, D Bone said: Since we don't play for 12 days, I'll set the over/under at 13 days before the next report of injury comes out on Courtney............ Yep, stub his toe in practice. Get a hang nail. Or a cold sore and miss the next two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: I dont know wut ur looking at The title of the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 OP has too much estrogen in his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Mark O said: Well thank god we have these great stats to fall back on despite winning a game. It’s comforting to know that we have all of these positive metrics to discuss in April when we’re picking at #1 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 17 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: II give a fuk about wins and losses if we have a def next year which knocks fools like roethlisberger the fuk out. hey, wasn't that supposed to be this year? or was it last year? garrett "i can't wait to hit big ben" HAHAHAHAHA DA FUGGIN HAHAHAHA!! no one likes a good D more than me BUT if you're not winning it means S.H.I.T. all-of-a-sudden we're the Ravens with ray ray with dilfer receiving the lombardy trophy and scheduling a parade? GTFO. boooooooooooo!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 15 hours ago, miktoxic said: ????? so no changes FO or staff-wise and ride another no win season next year as well, then at the end of THAT year (a lot of us don't have many years left) then make decisions? like needing to get that molar pulled a year prior, now it's cracked in half and rotten. your dentist/oral surgeon looks at you with disgust because he told you THEN that this would happen NOW as he has to cut your jaw open, just giving you enough local anesthetic where you're not flying out of the chair but you are feeling every second of it with your hands clawed into the leather like a cat in a bathtub. u felt this way about the holmgren experiment as well? hmmmmmmmm. This is a terrible analogy. Try: you have a cracked, rotten in half molar. You get it pulled every two years. Yet every two years it's still cracked and rotten in half. So you finally get the full on root canal and endure the pain and then your tooth is actually healed. (I have no idea if this is dentally accurate, but you get the gist.) 12 hours ago, Mark O said: I don't have any idea. But I"m not going to pump up the defense as being great when those games happened. I'm not even saying that we should get rid of Williams, I think he's got the defense on the right track. But I'm still not going to blow the defense as being great or even good when there have been at least 3 games where they were butt raped in the first half of games so that kinda puts the "they're tired" excuse to rest doesn't it? Are they better than last year, sure...probably but there's still a long way to go. So you concede that there's progress.... 11 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: People who want to point fingers and whine simply ignore facts ---- and when facts are presented, they avoid the facts even harder. Overhauling an organization is not easy.. despite the many assertions that "Just hire a football guy!" would naturally immediately be followed by endless riches. No doubt that's the same bunch who assert "Just draft playmakers!" yields infinite super bowls. Funny how the two people on this forum who have executed organizational change at the C-suite level [Tour and myself] realize that it's a long tough slog with many factors and milestones along the way. If you have no boots-on-the-ground knowledge of something, the smart way to approach that thing is to ask someone who has already done it... before formulating your own opinion. I think achieving results happens to demonstrate that "The Process" is working. Not complete by any stretch, but we're better now than we were last season. And next season there's no reason to assume we won't be better than we are this season. Just to be clear, Browns are #1 in Yards Given Up Per Rushing Attempt [total rushing yards / number of rushing plays].. I don't know what metric is being discussed when saying "we're #6" -- what is the numerator and denominator of that metric? It's probably rush yards allowed/game. 11 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: I dont give a Sheet. Its not on the defense. Defense gas done more than enough fir us to have won at least a game or two. Now drive to berea and offer someone a nice long blowghob Don't even bother. All they have is "WE'RE STILL 0-8!!" without any real solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Our D does fine. Until the other team starts trying for real. Then it's a pile of wet tissue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Wonder how those defensive stats will look after getting gashed for 31 points today and what excuses will be made for the defense this week. Can't really use they were tired because time of possesion because the Browns had a 34:30 to 25:30 edge in that stat this week so what was this weeks issue? As for the, we have to keep Hue because we can't lose St. Greg Williams, wonder how much the Rams miss Williams this year? Certainly doesn't look like they are missing him a whole lot so far this season. But by all means...lets keep the coaches who are 0-9 and the HC who is 1-24 and 2 for his last 30 as a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 After all, it's only been December 2015 since we won on a Sunday. Stellar D! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, Mark O said: Wonder how those defensive stats will look after getting gashed for 31 points today and what excuses will be made for the defense this week. Can't really use they were tired because time of possesion because the Browns had a 34:30 to 25:30 edge in that stat this week so what was this weeks issue? Tape shows a ton of over pursuit with some poor gap guessing on some gashing runs.(here is where Collins was missed again in huddle/field general at snap) Missing tackles came back.. mostly due to not wrapping them up. And man did we bite on a ton of Stafford's 1st vision reads.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 stop telling me our defense is ranked so and so. our overall defense SUCKS if we constantly give up 30 F'ing points a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Soju said: stop telling me our defense is ranked so and so. our overall defense SUCKS if we constantly give up 30 F'ing points a game And that's the bright side of this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, flyingfooldoug said: And that's the bright side of this team LOL!! (that deserved way more than just a laugh emoji) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Mark O said: As for the, we have to keep Hue because we can't lose St. Greg Williams, wonder how much the Rams miss Williams this year? who knows, but they are ranked 16th in total defense which is worse than the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: who knows, but they are ranked 16th in total defense which is worse than the Browns. they're 7-2 and we are 0-9 and you're amazing defense just got ass fucked for 31 points. Who fucking cares where their defense is ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mark O said: they're 7-2 and we are 0-9 and you're amazing defense just got butt Shmucked for 31 points. Who Shmucking cares where their defense is ranked. they're 7-2 because their offense is good. And? what's ur point? "Maybe" a 16th ranked defense paired with what appears to be a "very" good offense can get them a deep playoff run. Why does this have to be constantly explained? I could maybe understand people's antipathy if we've had consistently decent defenses over the years. But we haven't. Infact we've had some of the historically worst defense's in recent memory. I mean we're constantly in the bottom 5. So this year we're not but omg we're still not winning games so it's fine to redo the whole thing over again? that makes no fukking sense. Some of you should stop following football you don't understand the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Clevfan4life said: they're 7-2 because their offense is good. And? what's ur point? "Maybe" a 16th ranked defense paired with what appears to be a "very" good offense can get them a deep playoff run. Why does this have to be constantly explained? Because this team had a shitty offense last year and didn't do much except hire a whole new coaching staff. Maybe our shitty offense will look better once you have someone running the offense who isn't a moron? What is your excuse for why the defense looked like shit today? If they're such a great defense, 24 points from the offense should be more than enough to win a game. Guess those high rankings don't mean shit because the team is still 0-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate. So let's go back to a 3-4. Fire Williams now before the seasons over and make sashi the new DC. I'm good with that, are you good with that mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Clevfan4life said: Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate. Thanks Captain Obvious. They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of. As many of us tried to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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