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13 hours ago, Tim Couch Pulls Out said:

None of this had anything to do with football.

It never does Mr anonymous.

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20 hours ago, miktoxic said:

... with 100% of the fans looking at them and booing

You must be watching, and listening to, different games than I have...

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11 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

You must be watching, and listening to, different games than I have...

i know..........and hillary won too with unicorns and a pot of gold.

i'll lay a six pack on the line saying goodell is gonna come out after this meeting saying he'll enforce the policy of standing for the nat'l anthem (which is already on the books) because that's what the league stands for ,,,,,,(cough) and making loot. stay in the locker room or tunnel if you can't deal with it.

come on, you in? (doubt it, cuz u know i'm right).

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When mik, DieHard and Ghoolie are all on one side of a social or political debate, I feel very confident when I'm on the other side too Tour.

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lol...

And you're on, mik... but for a case...

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Giving up the 6th most points in the NFL, isn't that really the most important thing.  Or have sabremetrics convinced people the Browns don't stink?

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2 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

Giving up the 6th most points in the NFL, isn't that really the most important thing.  Or have sabremetrics convinced people the Browns don't stink?

Shhhhh, don't bring up points during The Process, and God forbid, never - and I do mean never, speak of wins and losses. 

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6 minutes ago, D Bone said:

Shhhhh, don't bring up points during The Process, and God forbid, never - and I do mean never, speak of wins and losses. 

Didn't you read the book? 

 Anal Probing For Dummies

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On 10/14/2017 at 5:30 PM, Tour2ma said:

lol...

And you're on, mik... but for a case...

too much for SHIPPING. shoulda agreed to the OG bet.

man it must be a bitch being right all the time. happ times in foggy town my friend!!

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6 hours ago, BaconHound said:

Giving up the 6th most points in the NFL, isn't that really the most important thing.  Or have sabremetrics convinced people the Browns don't stink?

No it’s not, but no they haven’t. 

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4 hours ago, wargograw said:

No it’s not, but no they haven’t. 

You must have voted for Hillary if you believe that.:lol:

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23 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

You must have voted for Hillary if you believe that.:lol:

He's too busy to talk with Sashi's Sock in his mouth

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On 10/13/2017 at 11:50 AM, miktoxic said:

i'll lay a six pack on the line saying goodell is gonna come out after this meeting saying he'll enforce the policy of standing for the nat'l anthem (which is already on the books) because that's what the league stands for ,,,,,,(cough) and making loot. stay in the locker room or tunnel if you can't deal with it.

come on, you in? (doubt it, cuz u know i'm right).

On 10/14/2017 at 4:30 PM, Tour2ma said:

And you're on, mik... but for a case...

So did I win? And if so, what?

 

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16 hours ago, miktoxic said:

too much for SHIPPING. shoulda agreed to the OG bet.

man it must be a bitch being right all the time. happ times in foggy town my friend!!

lol... nevermind... I'll take the shirt... and you can buy a couple rounds when I next hit NY.

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6 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

You must have voted for Hillary if you believe that.:lol:

You mean like a plurality of the voters?

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17 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

You mean like a plurality of the voters?

Here are the final numbers:

Clinton received 65,844,610 votes, or 48.2% of the total vote.

Trump received 62,979,636 votes, or 46.1% of the total vote. (That's adifference of 2.86 million votes.)

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

The remaining 5.7% of the vote went to other candidates, like Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Evan McMullin, and, I don't know, write-ins for flesh-eating bacteria.

Constitutional republics in action.

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17 hours ago, BaconHound said:

Giving up the 6th most points in the NFL, isn't that really the most important thing.  Or have sabremetrics convinced people the Browns don't stink?

Having watched, and remembered watching the games, some don't need sabre-anything to know that short fields have contributed to the points yielded.

But as confirmation we are 8th in total yards allowed, 6th in rushing yards allowed and 16th in passing yards allowed.

For those that need more... we are dead last in net turnovers at -9 with 14 INTs thrown (also dead last) and 2 fumbles lost.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Having watched, and remembered watching the games, some don't need sabre-anything to know that short fields have contributed to the points yielded.

But as confirmation we are 8th in total yards allowed, 6th in rushing yards allowed and 16th in passing yards allowed.

For those that need more... we are dead last in net turnovers at -9 with 14 INTs thrown (also dead last) and 2 fumbles lost.

 

 

Call me old fashioned but at the end of the day the team with the most points wins.  If you are giving up points but have a great rationalization for why it's happening you are still giving up points.  Great defenses overcome bad offenses and good ones blame offenses.  

But hey I could talk about being 23rd in the league on 3rd down or 31st in TDs Allowed Per Game or 32nd in First Half Points Allowed.  So on those short fields where they are being placed they aren't holding teams to FGs and early when they aren't tired, they are getting torched.  But hang your hat on not giving up big drives because of teams field position.

I'll grant you they are 11th in Yards Per Play which is top half

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14 hours ago, BaconHound said:

Call me old fashioned but at the end of the day the team with the most points wins.  If you are giving up points but have a great rationalization for why it's happening you are still giving up points.  Great defenses overcome bad offenses and good ones blame offenses.  

But hey I could talk about being 23rd in the league on 3rd down or 31st in TDs Allowed Per Game or 32nd in First Half Points Allowed.  So on those short fields where they are being placed they aren't holding teams to FGs and early when they aren't tired, they are getting torched.  But hang your hat on not giving up big drives because of teams field position.

I'll grant you they are 11th in Yards Per Play which is top half

Hey if you want a 65-yo calling you old-fashioned, so be it...

There's a big difference between rationalizing and understanding... just as there is between success and progress... macro and micro.

 

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On October 19, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Tour2ma said:

Hey if you want a 65-yo calling you old-fashioned, so be it...

There's a big difference between rationalizing and understanding... just as there is between success and progress... macro and micro.

 

We going to have the moral victory argument?

I don't know how you chart the progress of a defense that doesn't play for anything.  They have only been in 2 games at halftime and in their late game comebacks they have been surrendering points all along the way.  For my money until they need to hold a lead we won't really know what we have.

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Nope... moral victory is nowhere in my current thoughts, discussions or posts. Looking for and recognizing progress does equate to claiming a moral victory.

A moral victory, and I have claimed them before, come in the form of playing a substantially superior team close. Playing them well above your current demonstrated level of proficiency. If we've had such a "victory" this year, it came Week 1, but in hindsight that possible application of the term faded quickly as the Steelers early season dysfunction became more apparent.

You "chart" the progress of a Defense by looking at pertinent data... actual chart optional. Smart-a$$ answer to an obvious question. As to your suggested test... yes, it is a test. One we last saw vs. the Chargers last season(?). One we will see again someday. But I'm neither inclined to nor factually limited into waiting for that eventuality.

 

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