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Has the Browns inability to win over 2 decades cause you to lose interest?

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Apathy can creep in, certainly.   

When the city has potential Championship teams in both baseball and basketball....a team like this should rightly lose its support to those other squads.

I will definitely be paying more attention to them than to the Browns.  

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Apathy hasn't just creeped in, it has busted down the door and set up camp in my living room.

I've actually fallen asleep during Browns games lately. As someone who grew up on the Kosar Browns, that blows my mind. I've fallen asleep during Browns games.

A year or so ago, I flipped channels during a commercial break of a Browns fans to a movie I've seen (in parts) numerous times. Not a classic, just an entertaining "turn your brain off" flick called Catch Me If You Can with Tom Hanks and Leonardo DiCaprio. My internal Browns clock is now broken, because I lingered on the movie for almost an entire Browns possession. It finally dawned on me to turn the game on, I realized I had missed a handful of games and I did not care.

It absolutely blows my mind that there is Browns fans who have only known this 1999 to present day Browns. I'll give them credit, because I often feel I care about the Browns now only out of habit. I keep telling myself it can get better, but it never really does. Thankfully I'm a die-hard Indians and baseball fan, that organization gives me pleasure. The Browns only give me indigestion.

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5 hours ago, D Bone said:

I may get pooped on for this and that's fine, but the reality is that up until the end of the '95 season, I used to not be able to sleep for 2-4 nights after a loss. I was a miserable person to be around during, and even hours after a loss. 

After a win, I floated around the planet like I owned the place........ Hell, I bought the "Browns News" paper magazine and paid something like $80 extra ( late 80s / 90's money! ) just for expedited shipping so I would receive it by the Saturday before the next game so the info would still be current. 

Now? I still watch the game - while going back and forth to other real NFL games using my expensive DirecTV package, and when they inevitably look like a bad High School team, I just laugh.... Not a crazy laugh fueled by anger, just a laugh at something funny. After the loss, I don't give it a second thought and am a pleasure to be around..... What can I say? I'm a swell guy! 

If it weren't for this forum I would've been done years ago, and if I'm being totally honest, the Rams coming back to SoCal haven't made staying a fan any easier as I do have one, and maybe even both eyes on them now. 

Just my honest feelings............

I'd say this is sort of me too, except my extreme disagreeableness after a loss extended into the mid-2000s, l never got the expedited shipping on the Browns paper (and yes, some weeks it would show up after the game in southern Ohio), and l've tried and cannot root for any other football team.

it is what it is. Enthusiasm is high during the draft and pre-season, enthusiasm wanes as the losses come during the season, apathy starts showing up right about now, and we're a couple weeks away from Shmuck this Sheet. 

And then the process starts again next year.

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25 years of season seats.....40 years as a die hard.....and the last 2 years have pushed me over the edge......I used to subscribe to, read, search for every Browns bit I could find....LIVED for Sundays....etc etc etc....

....anymore?....I barely give a Sheet.....and, in a lot of ways, I am just pissed and feel like the Browns have flipped us the bird......

Clearly.....winning isnt the top priority of this regime.....

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Just now, Mudfly said:

25 years of season seats.....40 years as a die hard.....and the last 2 years have pushed me over the edge......I used to subscribe to, read, search for every Browns bit I could find....LIVED for Sundays....etc etc etc....

....anymore?....I barely give a Sheet.....and, in a lot of ways, I am just pissed and feel like the Browns have flipped us the bird......

Clearly.....winning isnt the top priority of this regime.....

Problem is I think Jimmy is running it like a Business, and not like a TEAM that should WIN. He's looking at PROFITS instead of a SUCCESSFUL WINNING TEAM.

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Haven't lost interest, still get the Sunday Ticket.  Typically I make the trip from NY to Cleveland for one game but this the second year I haven't gone.

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3 hours ago, Soju said:

wow.  I was fully expecting, "screw off, Soju!  This board is for REAL fans!  But, I AM a real fan.  Just down trodden and left in despair.  I'm sort of comforted in a way knowing that even BIGGER Browns fans are feeling like me. 

Anyone who would respond that way would be an idiot. We are all hurting. I loved reading this thread. Such as D Bone, I too subscribed to the 'Browns News Illustrated' back in the 80's. I moved away to Detroit back in 85' at the age of about 18, and we didn't have the Internet, didn't have NFL Network. You had 3 main channels and with Detroit being an NFC team, I rarely got to see the Browns. My car radio received the best reception on Game Days and I would drive around for four hours listening to the games. Most times I would end up in Toledo by games end, I suppose I should have just drove to Cleveland (although practically did every weekend anyhow, except had to work in Detroit early on Monday mornings). I would receive that Browns News Illustrated Newspaper in the mail and go straight to the shitter and read it cover-to-cover. Funny, without the existence of the Internet I still knew EVERY player on the roster and the entire depth chart, I assume from that rag magazine.

I orchestrated the move of our family business back to Cleveland in 96' most certainly mainly for the Browns ... should have saw the writing on the wall right then and there, as they announced they were moving to Baltimore shortly after I settled in here. 

I took to these forums at that time as the Internet was just taking hold. We hand typed most all local articles on the Browns to out-of-town Browns fans who weren't privy to what was going on with the expansion or relocation of an existing team (Note: News wasn't readily available at those early days of the internet). We debated the owners race, and dissected the hell out of the 1999 Draft awaiting our Browns to take the field once again. 

Met a lot of great people on these forums that I called friends. we were celebrating on the North Shore on Game Days without a care in the World ... then the losing continued, the NFL got worse and worse as a whole. The Browns continued to disappoint like Groundhog day and nothing we could do could fix the next day from being like the last. Years turned into a decade, a decade into another ... friends dwindled, camaraderies lost ... this don't feel like that team I fell in love with. I miss games sometimes ... no, I'm talking I miss games ... as in I catch up on work and crap or go on weekend vacations without missing seeing the brown and orange play.

Not sure when the bottom will totally give out ... or has it?

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Its hard to admit to people you like the browns..not for the losing..just the bad luck and mismanagement.

I am certainly losing interest, not just in the browns, but in football in general.  Games are stupid with dumb penalties, too many commercial breaks, injured star players, etc.  Its just not as fun to watch as it used to be.  I still cant figure out what a catch is anymore.  Its just becoming a bad product.  When the Anthem shennanigans get more discussion than the product on the field...its time to move on.

 

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9 minutes ago, ATENEARS said:

Anyone who would respond that way would be an idiot. We are all hurting. I loved reading this thread. Such as D Bone, I too subscribed to the 'Browns News Illustrated' back in the 80's. I moved away to Detroit back in 85' at the age of about 18, and we didn't have the Internet, didn't have NFL Network. You had 3 main channels and with Detroit being an NFC team, I rarely got to see the Browns. My car radio received the best reception on Game Days and I would drive around for four hours listening to the games. Most times I would end up in Toledo by games end, I suppose I should have just drove to Cleveland (although practically did every weekend anyhow, except had to work in Detroit early on Monday mornings). I would receive that Browns News Illustrated Newspaper in the mail and go straight to the shitter and read it cover-to-cover. Funny, without the existence of the Internet I still knew EVERY player on the roster and the entire depth chart, I assume from that rag magazine.

I orchestrated the move of our family business back to Cleveland in 96' most certainly mainly for the Browns ... should have saw the writing on the wall right then and there, as they announced they were moving to Baltimore shortly after I settled in here. 

I took to these forums at that time as the Internet was just taking hold. We hand typed most all local articles on the Browns to out-of-town Browns fans who weren't privy to what was going on with the expansion or relocation of an existing team (Note: News wasn't readily available at those early days of the internet). We debated the owners race, and dissected the hell out of the 1999 Draft awaiting our Browns to take the field once again. 

Met a lot of great people on these forums that I called friends. we were celebrating on the North Shore on Game Days without a care in the World ... then the losing continued, the NFL got worse and worse as a whole. The Browns continued to disappoint like Groundhog day and nothing we could do could fix the next day from being like the last. Years turned into a decade, a decade into another ... friends dwindled, camaraderies lost ... this don't feel like that team I fell in love with. I miss games sometimes ... no, I'm talking I miss games ... as in I catch up on work and crap or go on weekend vacations without missing seeing the brown and orange play.

Not sure when the bottom will totally give out ... or has it?

Browns News Illustrated, thought I was the only one that subscribed. Long time Browns fans are suffocating.

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Has the Browns inability to win over 2 decades cause you to lose interest?

Has it? Yes...

Is it currently? No...

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To address the parts of the thread about "How can this continue so long?", it's happened to other teams in various sports, so while it's rare it isn't unique.

Of course, on the the other hand, it does make me think about those who go on and on about how people shape reality with their expectations, including their optimism or pessimism. Some say it's because our conscious minds can alter the environment around us by manifesting our attitudes and intentions, while others say it's an effect of long-lasting mass psychology and the atmosphere created. The latter would seem the more likely of the two, yet issues with things like quality coaching are even more likely as a reasonable answer.

But maybe it's both. A longstanding losing mentality shared by people inside the organization and the pessimism of many fans and jeers from non-fans combined with less than stellar FO and coaching staff. I mean, if you are a part of the Browns organization you can try to make yourself believe, you can try to pump yourself up, but, after so much fail, in your subconscious it's got to be hard to get staff and players who can really come together in a genuine belief that *this time* it will be different, *this time* all the talk about "this time" will be real. I mean, that record isn't just broken, the needle has left groves in the turntable.

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10 hours ago, Soju said:

The Cleveland Browns have held the title of "laughingstock'' for years. almost two decades (holy sh!T!!!) now.

This pathetic team has ripped the NFL fan out of me and robbed me of the once-greatest sports joy in my life. I loathe the Cleveland Browns. I'm literally angry for what they've done to me as a fan.

It's almost unfathomable and statistically impossible for a team to be this consistently bad for this long.

Hell yes.  I used to live and breathe Browns football.  Now I don't even give a Shmuck anymore.

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By the way, congratulations on spelling 'lose' correctly, unlike most young dummies spelling it 'loose'.

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6 minutes ago, TopDawg31 said:

Browns News Illustrated, thought I was the only one that subscribed. Long time Browns fans are suffocating.

For those who don't know what we are talking about, the Browns use to have their own Newspaper subscriptions. Cover-to-cover Browns news and great insight interviews.

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5 hours ago, hoorta said:

Worth a read...   

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/browns_cant_have_a_process_wit.html#incart_big-photo

"There was enough bad on Sunday to reach across the building in Berea, from the coaching staff to the front office. Scheme, roster construction, everything led to one of the most embarrassing losses this team has suffered in a two-year span that has been full of them.

There has to come a point where progress is no longer an abstract. It's not an unfair expectation to want tangible evidence that this plan will work. No one is demanding a 10-2 run to finish the season and fight for the playoffs. Most reasonable people looked at this team and saw four to five wins at best."

Larry, my friend, let me ask you something. Before the pre-season, I posted that the 2017 team would be worse than the 2016. I was blasted for it, and even you told me that I didn't understand football. Those of you who thought I was trolling, insisted to me that a combination of the draft, a new OL, Hue, Williams, and our "accumulation of assets" had the team on the right track. You guys insisted I was off base.

But now, you quote an "expert" who can be quoted as saying "The 2017 team is worse than the 2016 version".

Now, if we are being completely honest, it is people like you, Zomblow and Flugel who are the true trolls, because, and I say this with respect to you as my friend, you have stubbornly gone on and on and one, clench-fisted INSISTING that this fauking team is building for the future. In addition, now you are saying the very exact things I said 24 weeks ago. 

Now, is my message bitter? Yeah, it is. But is it over the top and off base? No Larry, it isn't. None of the Sheet I have been posting here looms ridiculous, and in fact, the place is a ghost town because many here can't bear to come in after only 4 weeks and say, "schidt" Ghoolie was right about all this crap. 

So, for the past 24 weeks, I am the troll, but now, with everyone echoing what I have been saying all along.....this talk is NOW, the expert talk?

Sorry man............I fortold all this schidt all along. Before anyone. And I am telling you................. mark it here and follow it back......................

Myles Garrett is garbage. He is physically weak, and he is mentally weaker. Admitting he doesn't play hard every down, asking Jones to make him a Cowboy? THIS is what you think is going to provide leadership, role modeling and fire to the Browns? 

Larry, you need to have a few drinks and go watch some Sipe era Browns films. Really my brother, you have honestly lost touch. You really have.

 

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9 hours ago, Bob806 said:

I'm still a fan, just beat down. Yesterday was probably the most pissed off feeling I had in a long long time leaving the,stadium.

I love the fall & football season. I'm not sure if I want to renew my tickets next year.

I'm not even pissed anymore guess I have kinda gotten used to it kinda like a prisoned  rape victim 

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47 minutes ago, ATENEARS said:

Anyone who would respond that way would be an idiot. We are all hurting. I loved reading this thread. Such as D Bone, I too subscribed to the 'Browns News Illustrated' back in the 80's. I moved away to Detroit back in 85' at the age of about 18, and we didn't have the Internet, didn't have NFL Network. You had 3 main channels and with Detroit being an NFC team, I rarely got to see the Browns. My car radio received the best reception on Game Days and I would drive around for four hours listening to the games. Most times I would end up in Toledo by games end, I suppose I should have just drove to Cleveland (although practically did every weekend anyhow, except had to work in Detroit early on Monday mornings). I would receive that Browns News Illustrated Newspaper in the mail and go straight to the shitter and read it cover-to-cover. Funny, without the existence of the Internet I still knew EVERY player on the roster and the entire depth chart, I assume from that rag magazine.

I orchestrated the move of our family business back to Cleveland in 96' most certainly mainly for the Browns ... should have saw the writing on the wall right then and there, as they announced they were moving to Baltimore shortly after I settled in here. 

I took to these forums at that time as the Internet was just taking hold. We hand typed most all local articles on the Browns to out-of-town Browns fans who weren't privy to what was going on with the expansion or relocation of an existing team (Note: News wasn't readily available at those early days of the internet). We debated the owners race, and dissected the hell out of the 1999 Draft awaiting our Browns to take the field once again. 

Met a lot of great people on these forums that I called friends. we were celebrating on the North Shore on Game Days without a care in the World ... then the losing continued, the NFL got worse and worse as a whole. The Browns continued to disappoint like Groundhog day and nothing we could do could fix the next day from being like the last. Years turned into a decade, a decade into another ... friends dwindled, camaraderies lost ... this don't feel like that team I fell in love with. I miss games sometimes ... no, I'm talking I miss games ... as in I catch up on work and crap or go on weekend vacations without missing seeing the brown and orange play.

Not sure when the bottom will totally give out ... or has it?

Stan,

here is when the bottom will give out. In 12 months I will be living in N Vegas. Property, pool, all the comforts of having "fauhk you money"...............season tickets up front and close to the Las Vegas Raiders............................So when you come, you get to see the games. Will we ever have that kind of old time Browns passion? Of course not, it isn't just that team that is gone, the times have changed. You have butt clowns like Wargogay supporting the team now. Dude, there will never be a connection between fans like us, and these paper butt dildoes. FUN? That is the missing ingredient. The Las Vegas Raiders, surrounded by the wonders of the strip, scantily clad women and a 24/7 tailgate.....................we can have fun again.

Can you imagine the looks on the faces of Hoorta, Zomblow, Mike, and the other guys who went to that game? Do you think they had fun? Really? Outside of drinking, and shooting the breeze, what fun is a Browns game? As you joked to me, and as I pray for, the best thing that oculd happen for a real Browns fan............not these newbie Dikcheads, is for Haslam to sell the team, for it to be moved, and renamed.

The absolute best thing that could happen for a die hard fan, is for this franchise to be eliminated, to no longer exist. In honor of those times you refer to, I want this team to lose, suffer injuries, humiliation and financial ruin. Honestly, the fake Browns, version 2.0 needs to go. When I told you the new team should get it's own name, you thought I was nuts. But now, now look. Look at how horrible this is.

 

 

 

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As if being a Browns fan isn't depressing enough, ESPN is now running a segment chronicling Marty Schottenheimer now struggling with Alzheimer's.

Goddamn.

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58 minutes ago, ATENEARS said:

For those who don't know what we are talking about, the Browns use to have their own Newspaper subscriptions. Cover-to-cover Browns news and great insight interviews.

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Another subscriber right here.....Loved it!

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1 hour ago, ATENEARS said:

For those who don't know what we are talking about, the Browns use to have their own Newspaper subscriptions. Cover-to-cover Browns news and great insight interviews.

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Damn if that doesn't bring back a smile to my face!!

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8 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

 

If you guys want to be self-smug about Cleveland will never lose the Browns, you go ahead and enjoy your bubble, but I am here to tell you, the unthinkable is not as unrealistic as you think. Haslam is not going to keep going like this. Browns fanship is decreasing, it may be that the only way to get an invigorated fan base is to move and rename the team.  

Is there an NFL brand now that has less value than the Browns?

 

 

This is the scary part. The whole region, even nationally, fought so hard to get the team back. 22 years later tons of apathy, gimmicks like a free ticket to Cedar Point for attending.

Yeah, I worry about it, thought about it even 3 years ago when we got the annual Christmas beat down from the Squealers, with around 75% of the crowd wearing black and gold. 

Things need to turn around. I would think Haslam has a pride factor, he doesn't want his team to suck....but, he's not from here. Probably somewhere in the back of his mind he thinks about pulling a Modell or Kroenke. That would totally suck for long time die-hards. 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Mudfly said:

25 years of season seats.....40 years as a die hard.....and the last 2 years have pushed me over the edge......I used to subscribe to, read, search for every Browns bit I could find....LIVED for Sundays....etc etc etc....

....anymore?....I barely give a Sheet.....and, in a lot of ways, I am just pissed and feel like the Browns have flipped us the bird......

Clearly.....winning isn't the top priority of this regime.....

Oh but it is Mud- we've just changed the time table for that happening. Like you calling them as I see  'em. Had faint hope before the season, but 0-4 and looking bad against the Bengals changed that. If we can't beat the Jets, yawn- time to crank up the draft threads. Sad. 

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was reading earlier - Troy Aikman said he was 0-11 in his rookie year? well, Kizer has only played four games.

But I would still start Hogan vs the Jets.

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16 hours ago, lodilobo said:

I've had many years to ponder why this team can be so bad for so long. We change the players constantly, the coaches every couple years, and even the owners. The team still looks about the same, no matter what. This defies logic, and has now put me in a state of mind, where I really don't give a crap anymore. I've gone from listening to the 1964 championship game on a 3 transistor radio, with an earphone, to this, in 53 years. I hate Sashi Brown, and Hue Jackson. I hate Paul Brown, because I've now I've become so demented, I'm pretty sure he put a permanent curse on the Browns when he died. This team has turned me into one crabby old bastard. I hope Haslam fires all their asses, and continues with the Groundhog Day process. Has there ever been another NFL coach with a 1 - 19 record to start? All you morons who call me a fair weather fan can go screw yourselves. 

Chuck Noll came pretty close. 1969 Steelers won their first game that year, and did not win another game until week 4 in 1970; something like 17 or so straight weeks without a win, spanning two seasons. Ended up making it to the AFC championship game in '72. Not saying Hue is nearly as good a coach as Noll was in the early 70's, but weirder Sheet has happened, I suppose.

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4 hours ago, Bob806 said:

This is the scary part. The whole region, even nationally, fought so hard to get the team back. 22 years later tons of apathy, gimmicks like a free ticket to Cedar Point for attending.

Yeah, I worry about it, thought about it even 3 years ago when we got the annual Christmas beat down from the Squealers, with around 75% of the crowd wearing black and gold. 

Things need to turn around. I would think Haslam has a pride factor, he doesn't want his team to suck....but, he's not from here. Probably somewhere in the back of his mind he thinks about pulling a Modell or Kroenke. That would totally suck for long time die-hards. 

 

 

 

Bob, here are a few more thoughts. I am a simple man, like most folks here. I grew up in a steel town, went to college and everything I ave accomplished has been done, like probably most here, organically, as a plow horse. Knocking on one door at a time, pulling the plow, planting seeds and working like a dog. I never really inderstood wall street and the world of huge finance.

That is until I got married a second time. Through personal and professional contacts I have made through her, I have learned a lot. Hedge fun managers, VC groups and banks don't think like you and I do. hey are different animals. They don't grow things organically.........they don't pull the plow and plant seeds. Instead, they just buy all new farms, automated technology and look to modern day marketing to make sure their ventures fly.

Haslam, and really no multi millionaire is going to have interest in waiting, building, and trying to recapture the popularity and support that once was. This takes too long, and for these kinds of people, time really is money. They are more likely to drop $500 million to start a new shiny venture, than they are to spend $25 million to try in repair something that there is no guarantee can be fixed.

Based on a shrinking brand, shrinking fan support, and accordingly a shrinking market price; based on apathy, losing and ridicule, if this trend continues, Haslam will get out. But rest assured, the new guy who spends $1.2 billion? He is going to want a shiny new start, and if Cleveland is not a ragingly successful and vibrant market, Cleveland will again see the team moved. When that happens, and it will, Cleveland will not again be an NFL city.

 

 

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