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calfoxwc    1,176
10 minutes ago, Bob806 said:

Wow. I read a lot of your posts about the "emotional left," which I can usually agree upon. But there you go, doing exactly the same.

My union dues, $65/month go as follows...$0.50 cents to our local AFL-CIO, $13 to OAPFF (Ohio Association ofProfessional Firefighters), $13 to IAFF (International Association of Firefighters). The remaining funds go into my Local (Berea FFs) where we back local little league programs, award a scholarship to a Berea-Midpark graduating senior, donate to the Make- A -Wish Foundation, MDA(Muscular Dystrophy), Berea Welfare, Metro Burn Unit, and in addition, buys our condiments, newspaper, and coffee. We also have a savings account if we need $$ for contract negotiations. 

I served 15 years as our local President, never took a dime. Never asked for a dime either...see, unions aren't  so evil afteralll. 

 

  I never said your Firefighter union was bad, Bob. But you defend all unions as a group. I'm not being emotional, I just decided that since you apparently got upset with me talking the bad about bad unions, you'd go ridicule pic. haha. two can play that game.

That you give one penny to the corrupt marxist/communist maniac richard trumpka of the AFL/CIO is a disgrace, Bob. When we walk by Firefighters collecting donations, we always donate. But the AFL-CIO? you can not MAKE me donate even a piece of grass to richard trumpka mafia wannabe somebietch. Should I post more about dangerous, corrupt richard trumpka?

Can you stop that 50 cents going to trumka? or the union says you roll over and pay it, or afl-cio thugs

will get teamsters thugs to break legs?

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medicineman    71

Spot on Cal. And always have the facts to back up what you say. I grew up in a house where my Dad was a well I wont say what union but from my early childhood on I always heard how great they were and blah blah blah. Well when I got to be like 14 I remember there was talk of a possible strike because they were going to fire a guy for drinking on the job, and showing up to work drunk.........I was like, if he goes to work drunk and drinks on the job he should be fired. My dad was not happy with me, That is when I started to question things and when I decided I was not going to be like dear old dad and never vote democrat like he did.

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Bob806    127
6 minutes ago, medicineman said:

Ok Bob, that is good but did you ever need the union over the last 15 years? Did they benefit you? Now the way it looks the union dues were going to a good use but that is not always the case and I will even say this is far and few between.

Absolutely I did, and others needed it as well.

You guys read about Lowe's down in Florida? Workers were being told they'd be fired if they didn't  come to work after Irma....that's  why unions are needed.

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medicineman    71

If that is true, (Not calling you a liar just know a lot of fake news) Then the public backlash would destroy Lowes and the Attorney General would have to step in with all the public out cry.

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calfoxwc    1,176

I grew up with most years - My Dad was in a big union;. We had a great life - fair treatment, solid wages, overtime, vacations,

you know - without the unions, they would never have had those. In later years, it was different. Great living, but there were

union members who wanted to strike for stupid ass stuff because they wanted a big vacation. and the union bosses were making

millions and millions and... things changed. Like my supervisor said - in the older days, it was about fairness. Later years,

it was about GREED, and sending more and more money up the pike to the powerful union bosses.

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calfoxwc    1,176
4 minutes ago, Bob806 said:

Absolutely I did, and others needed it as well.

You guys read about Lowe's down in Florida? Workers were being told they'd be fired if they didn't  come to work after Irma....that's  why unions are needed.

Sure, Bob, but seriously? because of that example, all the corruption goes invisible to you?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/10/labor-union-bosses-salaries-put-big-in-big-labor/

http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article144739869.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattpatterson/2016/10/18/the-union-scam-workers-make-bosses-take/#4b2c7d1d4012

The Union Scam: Workers Make, Bosses Take

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/former-health-services-union-leader-charged-with-theft-and-deception-offences/news-story/d25ea3b236845a30fb955c9e1146bdbd

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calfoxwc    1,176

and Bob, as a fireman, I would hope you could make a hundred grand. But the truth is....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176250/The-36-union-fat-cats-picking-100k.html

The 36 union fat-cats who are each picking up more than £100k

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Bob806    127
9 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

There's  corruption everywhere, doesn't  mean it should be tolerated. 

I'm not going to ever convince you or others who are anti union that they are needed.

 

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calfoxwc    1,176
1 hour ago, Bob806 said:

There's  corruption everywhere, doesn't  mean it should be tolerated. 

I'm not going to ever convince you or others who are anti union that they are needed.

 

  You don't read posts well, I just said earlier that we always donate to the firefighter fund raisers. Of course unions are needed.

But your blanket support of them is bs, that's all, Bob. Why do you donate to the AFL-CIO? RICHARD TRUMKA?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/107091/union-gangsters-richard-trumka-matthew-vadum

 

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Bob806    127
22 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

  You don't read posts well, I just said earlier that we always donate to the firefighter fund raisers. Of course unions are needed.

But your blanket support of them is bs, that's all, Bob. Why do you donate to the AFL-CIO? RICHARD TRUMKA?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/107091/union-gangsters-richard-trumka-matthew-vadum

 

Thanks for donating, it helps more than you think.

I'm  sure Trumka gets a slice of my .50, not sure how much. I liken that to purchasing something from a company, like say Wal Mart, and they take a slice of that profit and back/contribute to a cause I can't agree with.

Bottom line, to me anyway, is no matter what we believe in, there's a counter to it in politics somewhere. Unfortunately,  capitalism breeds this. I don't  know how little folks can change it, and it's probably too far gone to change it. Lobbyists probably make more money than any of us on the Browns Board.

 

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calfoxwc    1,176
3 hours ago, Bob806 said:

Thanks for donating, it helps more than you think.

I'm  sure Trumka gets a slice of my .50, not sure how much. I liken that to purchasing something from a company, like say Wal Mart, and they take a slice of that profit and back/contribute to a cause I can't agree with.

Bottom line, to me anyway, is no matter what we believe in, there's a counter to it in politics somewhere. Unfortunately,  capitalism breeds this. I don't  know how little folks can change it, and it's probably too far gone to change it. Lobbyists probably make more money than any of us on the Browns Board.

 

  Well, I reckon you are just gonna have to ask that question some time... "can I stop giving my 50 cents to the AFL-CIO...", though that may not be a good idea. lol

My Wifie retired from teaching, long since had a masters, and she always had to pay her union dues...but she was conservative, like me. A lot smarter - but conservative like me. She never worried about it. She just never discussed politics at work. One day, a union rep tried to pin her down, so to speak, about if she was going to vote democratic. I think it was billy clinton? Well, my Wifie finally said "NO" and the union rep got in her face a bit. Well, my Wifie could have made her look like a turd, but her friends, who were pretty liberal, got all over the union rep and told her to get the hell out, mind her own business, and that that isn't what a union rep does.

    If I had known, I would have gotten involved, but they really handled it, and never told me til later on, probly for good reason. lol

I started to question the use of "capitalism", but it's pretty much freedom and competition. "with freedom there must be responsibility" and there are always those who ignore the responsibility part. Lobbyists are like union bosses - they make huge money, and everybody else they "represent" doesn't. I'm actually pro-good union, Bob, I wish I had had a union as a corp programmer/analyst/business analyst. With no protection in your job - I could tell you stories of other people, and myself included.

I'd rather be in a good union that paid dues of 40 bucks a YEAR, but whatever. The big money flowing into big unions has far too often lent itself to abuse of power politics, corrupt representation, and international/national influence of marxist groups,etc etc.

    Like, the SEIU - the "service employees international union"

https://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2014/04/02/seiu-teams-socialists-marxist-revolutionaries-appalachia/

   Here is some serious stuff:

http://sonorannews.com/2017/05/09/cair-fifth-column-us-targeting-american-children-public-schools/

"Members of the SDUSB has been endorsed and supported in their elections by CAIR, and by Soros’ funded Progressive, Marxists, Anti-American, and pro-Illegal Aliens & pro-Muslim Refugees organizations (i.e. Free Press, La Raza, America Federation of Teachers, Planned Parenthood, SEIU, NOW, the AFL-CIO Labor Council, the CA Democratic Party, Muslim Advocates, Catholic Alliance For Common Good, the Rotary Peace Committee, the Peace & Freedom Party, and the Communist Party USA). "

 

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