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6 hours ago, Bob806 said:

Which also in effect, bolsters the right wing agenda.

It's an effective catch-phrase, this RTW. What the goal really is is to cut campaign contributions to the D party. If the Rs would just actually try and show they are not anti-union, anti-blue collar, then it wouldn't be necessary. 

oh, bullhockey. Why should republicans in a union be forced to pay unions dues, only to have the union be

completyely pro-democratic? I support right to work laws. If my union screws around and is worthless, i"m not paying their dues because I just left. IT's a freakin FREE country. But dems always want to force other people to do their bidding...

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5 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

. But dems always want to force other people to do their bidding...

And ur side is diff how? Every day ur complaining about these people or those people who essentially arent doing ur sides bidding. 

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4 hours ago, Bob806 said:

Forced isn't the right word.

It's not like their flooding the coffers either. Yes, the great majority of union PACs donate to the DNC/candidates, mainly because (like I wrote earlier), the Rs haven't been friendly. The Ds support collective bargaining, Rs don't- it's that simple. If you are a contracted employee, it only makes sense to back a candidate that supports collective bargaining. 

  sure sounds like extortion to me. Collective bargaining is fine, but collective "we'll break your company unless you

give in to our unnecessary demands" isn't just collective bargaining. URW retirees had their pension insurance cut

more than a couple of times - the union gave the retirees the finger, to keep their current members status quo.

Oh yeah, retirees don't pay the union dues that go to political PACS. that was garbage. Why should someone be

forced to pay their union dues for all those years, then get the cold shoulder after they retire? That's low.

    Right to work laws would keep unions honest in their negotiations for retirees. You screw over the retirees, the

union members see what is going on and stop paying dues. Without right to work, unions aren't held accountable to

it's members and retirees.

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3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

oh, bullhockey. Why should republicans in a union be forced to pay unions dues, only to have the union be

completyely pro-democratic? I support right to work laws. If my union screws around and is worthless, i"m not paying their dues because I just left. IT's a freakin FREE country. But dems always want to force other people to do their bidding...

Then you should have no right to be represented whatsoever.

You belong to a church, you put money in the collection basket. You belong to the Elks Club, you pay. Bowling league, golf league, you pay. 

You belong to your local Republican club, you pay. They bring up issues/candidates to endorse, you vote on them. Majority wins....just like in a union shop.

 

It's  not really hard to understand.

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1 minute ago, Bob806 said:

Then you should have no right to be represented whatsoever.

You belong to a church, you put money in the collection basket. You belong to the Elks Club, you pay. Bowling league, golf league, you pay. 

You belong to your local Republican club, you pay. They bring up issues/candidates to endorse, you vote on them. Majority wins....just like in a union shop.

 

It's  not really hard to understand.

Then fine, I won't belong to the union. and I won't pay dues. I used to belong to a church. Did NOT put money into the collection basket -

unless I felt like it. I did NOT TITHE, either, because I don't believe tithing is scriptural.

Here's a key part you are missing. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO JOIN the church, or the Elk's Club, or bowling league,or golf league. IT IS ALL VOLUNTARY. So, you are saying I shouldn't have to join your union then? I can go visit any church and not pay one penny. I can visit all year. Probably no membership.

We don't pay one red cent to be in our fantasy leagues. Were you forced to join our fantasy leagues? Nope. and I only joined because they were free. Now, having a job isn't just an elective. You HAVE to have a job.

On another note, lets talk the NRA. I always am a member of the NRA. It costs $40.00. FOR A FREAKING YEAR !

But you don't HAVE TO JOIN.

Now, if I HAVE TO JOIN A UNION, do you realize how much you pay in ONE WEEK? ONE MONTH? and you have no choice in belonging to the union because they SAY SO? It must be tough to understand.

Gee, where's a union where I only pay $40.00 A YEAR? I'm wondering how much you pay in one paycheck. I'm assuming

that is weekly or biweekly.......

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benefits? being forced to subsidize a political party you want no part of? THAT "BENEFIT"

Not being allowed to pick up a hammer because I'm a grinder? THAT "benefit"

paying a significant part of my EVERY PAYCHECK to a bunch of high paid union bosses, and

I can't buy a new pickup truck? really. THAT "BENEFIT" ?

Going on a long strike over one extra nickle in my paycheck, because a bunch of the union members

want to go on a big vacation during hunting season? THAT "benefit" ?

nah. don't want those benefits. If the company doesn't treat me fairly, I will decide to join the union. If they do,

I don't want to waste my time being taken by unions, and my money taken from me in dues, and I ain't a going

to join your expensive political boys club. Have a nice day.

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I really like this one: you a member of the AFL-CIO, Bob?

 

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Cal:  $40 a year for the NRA is a steal but chip off a few bucks to jesus is simply a nonstarter what kind if mark do you think i am? Pffttt. But dont let me hear you say something that doesn't expressly follow the teachings of christ cause then the magnets come out again u hear?

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"forget the law"

 

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Does anybody know the cost of the NFL Union? And is it worth a pint of piss? MOST Unions would never let a company bring in another guy to do a job when there was a guy who was next in line for it.......Meaning what happened in Miami when they brought in Jay Cutler off the streets to be the QB even though Miami had a 2nd string QB, You would think that guy would of got his chance.........

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most American workers are in unions for good reasons. to be treated fairly, paid fairly...etc.

but they fund some bigtime anti-American punks on the big screen:

mostly, the AFL/CIO. Teamsters......

https://www.redstate.com/diary/kcjw33/2011/03/11/unions-the-history-of-their-socialist-agenda/

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The idea of a union is a good thing, Now as for all the union dues, um where is that money going? Like Cal said, To fund anti American all left morons. That is a scam on it's own. If I belong to a union and the dues are funding some Left side hack that I hate and would NEVER vote for.........It is a joke.

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Wow. I read a lot of your posts about the "emotional left," which I can usually agree upon. But there you go, doing exactly the same.

My union dues, $65/month go as follows...$0.50 cents to our local AFL-CIO, $13 to OAPFF (Ohio Association ofProfessional Firefighters), $13 to IAFF (International Association of Firefighters). The remaining funds go into my Local (Berea FFs) where we back local little league programs, award a scholarship to a Berea-Midpark graduating senior, donate to the Make- A -Wish Foundation, MDA(Muscular Dystrophy), Berea Welfare, Metro Burn Unit, and in addition, buys our condiments, newspaper, and coffee. We also have a savings account if we need $$ for contract negotiations. 

I served 15 years as our local President, never took a dime. Never asked for a dime either...see, unions aren't  so evil afteralll. 

 

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Ok Bob, that is good but did you ever need the union over the last 15 years? Did they benefit you? Now the way it looks the union dues were going to a good use but that is not always the case and I will even say this is far and few between.

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1 minute ago, medicineman said:

The idea of a union is a good thing, Now as for all the union dues, um where is that money going? Like Cal said, To fund anti American all left morons. That is a scam on it's own. If I belong to a union and the dues are funding some Left side hack that I hate and would NEVER vote for.........It is a joke.

Yes ! Back in the day, unions got workers fair wages and tair labor policies, etc. Without that, a lot of us would have grown up

in poverty maybe. But without right to work, unions have gotten so powerful, they do anything they want, spend whatever they want,

and all those little guys who pay their dues just keep working, and paying their dues.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/stopping-union-boss-pension-abuses-can-the-legislature-defend-needed-reforms/

http://nypost.com/2016/06/10/union-boss-accused-of-spending-members-money-on-jay-z-tickets/

http://www.nrtw.org/media/GovernmentRegulation2.pdf

http://www.nrtwc.org/exposed/exposed200803.pdf

https://www.the74million.org/article/video-union-bosses-give-teacher-advice-on-covering-up-abuse-rogue-mexican-vacation/

http://www.nrtw.org/news/federal-prosecution-against-grocery-union-bosses-for-widespread-rights-abuses-to-proceed-as-class-action/

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/union-bosss-violent-past-exposed-20161120-gstprt

http://watchdog.org/212919/union-bosses-2014/

America’s top labor union bosses raked in millions in 2014

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