Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Clevfan4life

This is what happens in the absence of unions....

Recommended Posts

Clevfan4life    280

Unions are certainly flawed because humans run them, but at their base function they prevent this kind of bullshit...

https://theoutline.com/post/2225/evacuate-for-hurricane-lose-your-job?utm_source=TW

 

i wonder if those supervisors were going to be there or just told their employees they had to show up but they themselves got the fuck out....??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Canton Dawg    269

That's odd, when I was a member of the Steelworkers Union we were told by the company AND the union to report for work during a blizzard.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
tiamat63    356
18 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

That's odd, when I was a member of the Steelworkers Union we were told by the company AND the union to report for work during a blizzard.

 

Now... maybe this is just me.   But I feel like there might be a small difference between a blizzard and what could be called a Category 6 Hurricane?

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Canton Dawg    269

This was in the early '90's and the governor declared that only emergency vehicles should be on the road.

It was on the local news, that if you were driving during that time that the police could pull you over.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
tiamat63    356
17 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

No such thing as a category 6.  After 5 the damage is the same.  

Ah, I guess buildings ignore that extra 40mph or so wind speed.

Thanks for keeping me on point, buddy.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Clevfan4life    280
18 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

That's odd, when I was a member of the Steelworkers Union we were told by the company AND the union to report for work during a blizzard.

A case where ur union bosses were 69'ing with company execs. So a deeply flawed union. A real union would say nope nuh uh, our guys are not driving on roads unlikely to have seen a plow or salt unless the company is willingto foot the bill for any and all dng's incurred and any fees related to calling for tows. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
tiamat63    356
2 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

 

I'm well aware of the 'why' for the category system and how 5 is considered total destruction.    That being said,  there are always bound to be several things that survival at certain wind speeds when others don't regardless of the rating top out.     I guess I was just being a smartass about it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
OldBrownsFan    956

I am not anti union as unions did make working conditions better for workers. I think we are better off without them but they are necessary today when companies do not do right by their employees. A saying I always believed is any company that has a union probably deserves a union.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Westside Steve    1,719

I would have no problems at all with unions if the company have the option to replace them with people who actually wanted the jobs. Without that there's no equity whatsoever.

WSS

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
TexasAg1969    593

Some would really like Texas and it's "Right to Work" laws which allow people to work and NOT be a part of a union. In practice it effectively outlaws unions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Canton Dawg    269

I've worked for both union and non-union shops.

The difference being, in non-union shops the company takes care of their "pets".

In the union shops, the union takes care of their "pets".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
calfoxwc    1,178

unions often are as much a vice as they are a virtue...some unions are self-perpetuating - when things are going

great and fair, they ramp up their bickering to have a cause, and to justify their existence as far as union bosses

salaries... like the deep state in our fed gov. Unions have stopped a lot of unfairness - and have also created

havoc where there didn't need to be any at all. Big unions are drunk on political power. The idea that "right to work"

means invalidating unions is nonsense, liberal-style. If you work for a company that is doing all the right things,

why continually pay dues to a union that does nothing to benefit it's members? Let a company start screwing around...

and unions will grow, and any right to work person will start paying dues. But going on strike to get a nickle an hour raise,

means you lose so much money, you would never make it back. But the union bosses get more power, and the management

and workers get more and more alienated.

     Now, given that so much of American managment is corrupt/belligerent/greedy, etc...unions have their place. But on my last

consultancy as a corp programmer/analyst/business analyst... my supervisor was an old union guy, who was always staunch

union. But the union became a monster when it wasn't necessary - fighting "windmills" just to have a reason to keep making

their union boss salaries. He got fed up with it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
medicineman    71

More times than not Unions drive up the cost of product. It is no wonder Wheeling-Pittsburgh Steel went belly up. I worked for the company and saw the work a lot of those guys did. SLEEP while on the job all along bitching that they should be making more money...........Now since I worked at the Admin building I made a set amount And did not belong to the union When I had to go see somebody at a different plant I would see some guys sleeping, Go back thru 3 or 4 hours later and......still sleeping. I am not saying they deserved to lose their jobs but when the cost of US steel was so high because they paid their people such high wages, China did no such thing so their product was not so much. BTW When a Japan company did buy steel from Wheeling-Pitt, the upstanding guys would right "Fat man" or Little boy" on the steel coils.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DieHardBrownsFan    1,397

When I got out of the Army in 1973, it was hard finding a job.  I ended up driving a taxi for awhile with Yellow cab in Cleveland, the old Checker automobiles.  We HAD to join the Teamsters union to be hired.  They took out quite a chunk of change each month, no matter how much you made.  It was a huge scam.  And it didn't benefit the drivers one bit.  

 

Image result for checker cab pic

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
TexasAg1969    593

When I bought a Chevy in 2011  I contacted a union foreman at the plant that makes the Cruze there in Ohio and told him I was custom ordering it through the local dealer. He went out of his way to inform the line workers and they took pictures of themselves working on it as it went through the assembly line. They then had that made into a book for me which that foreman presented to me on a  trip down here to visit his daughter in San Antonio shortly after the Cruze was delivered to me. We had a long talk about the transformation of the unions and what he was doing personally to be sure they got out "the old guard" to make an operating union that actually had the company and it's customers interests first. If you ever get a chance I'd recommend anyone to  visit that assembly plant in Lordstown. Talk to the union members about that transformation. I think you will be as impressed as I was.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
calfoxwc    1,178

that is the virtue part.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Bob806    128
15 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Some would really like Texas and it's "Right to Work" laws which allow people to work and NOT be a part of a union. In practice it effectively outlaws unions.

Which also in effect, bolsters the right wing agenda.

It's an effective catch-phrase, this RTW. What the goal really is is to cut campaign contributions to the D party. If the Rs would just actually try and show they are not anti-union, anti-blue collar, then it wouldn't be necessary. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Westside Steve    1,719
1 hour ago, Bob806 said:

Which also in effect, bolsters the right wing agenda.

It's an effective catch-phrase, this RTW. What the goal really is is to cut campaign contributions to the D party. If the Rs would just actually try and show they are not anti-union, anti-blue collar, then it wouldn't be necessary. 

In other words working people probably wouldn't flood the DNC coffers unless they were forced to buy their unions.

 

WSS

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Bob806    128
14 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

In other words working people probably wouldn't flood the DNC coffers unless they were forced to buy their unions.

 

WSS

Forced isn't the right word.

It's not like their flooding the coffers either. Yes, the great majority of union PACs donate to the DNC/candidates, mainly because (like I wrote earlier), the Rs haven't been friendly. The Ds support collective bargaining, Rs don't- it's that simple. If you are a contracted employee, it only makes sense to back a candidate that supports collective bargaining. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Clevfan4life    280
19 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

I would have no problems at all with unions if the company have the option to replace them with people who actually wanted the jobs. Without that there's no equity whatsoever.

WSS

Well heres the problem steve-o, these companies would say any of the employees who didnt want to show to work in 155mph+ winds clearly dont want to work. If u cant spin a fucking pizza with water coming in the door and the roof peeling off, what kind of a lazy fuck are u?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Clevfan4life    280
17 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

I've worked for both union and non-union shops.

The difference being, in non-union shops the company takes care of their "pets".

In the union shops, the union takes care of their "pets".

Yeah, theres more than a smidge of truth to this.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  

×