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27 minutes ago, nickers said:

All I'm saying Gip. Is one game doesnt make him a HOF'r.. I'm not sure what being different or otherwise has to do with it.. I'm just calling it as I see it.. You have the right to disagree with me... I understand he's a rook.. He played workman like.. I'll give him that...But he didn't light it up nor was i expecting him to...

I don't disagree with you.  That is my point.  But it sounds like you are saying that a lot of people on here are "annointing" him.  And I don't think that is true.  They are simply saying his performance was cause for optimism.   Which it was.  

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12 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

Kizer needs to go back to the bench and learn a little longer. He needs time to develop. He threw a couple of passes that got our WR killed, he threw ball at the ground that required coleman to dig up to receive, he holds the ball too long, he takes sacks that cost us yardage, he doesn't protect himself while running... ect.

I wish Kizer nothing but the best but IT IS WHAT IT IS, Hogan should be our starting QB, but seems as how Kizer has been GIFTED the starter role and Hue is "together at the hip" with him and unwilling to go with the better QB, I hope they sink together so we can get a real head coach.

 

Sorry...but what you are trying to say sounds like the following to me.   Can you enunciate a bit better: 

 

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38 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

You saw that last preseason game where Hogan LIT EM UP? That is called hitting your receivers in stride, throwing them open... it's something that Kizer can launch a ball down the field, it's just too bad he can't keep it in bounds... or within 10 feet of an eligible receiver.

Yep, all those dudes he played against that are now sitting on the couch watching the games along with us were truly awesome. Hogan is destined for the HoF and I hope they are getting his bust ready as I type. 

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I guess we'll never know because Hue has "his guy" now right... oh wait, I thought it was Kessler...  

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Hogan outshined Kizer in Preseason and he wasn't even given the same opportunity as the other 3 QB's that were out there. 

It was supposed to be an open competition but it clearly wasn't. All I heard was it was a 3 way race for the starting QB. Oz, Kessler and Kizer... what about Hogan? Hmmm? 

 

I couldn't care less now really. I want to win fucking games. I don't care for coaches favorites if they are not the best on the field. Hue is going with his gut BUT to bad for us, his gut is wrong.

 

Should have kept Haden and started Hogan. 

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2 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Ben....2 Super Bowl rings

Ben... When his team needed plays, he made them. He used Greg WIlliams D from the Dawg Pound, to wipe his ass

Ben... Wins the game

Tarkenton... 7 sacks

NO fucking comparison. Kizer is a loser. 0 - 1. Steelers, 1 - 0  Suffering not one hard hit from thie supposed "BADASS" defense.

Kizer - 1 NFL game.

Kizer - pulled the Browns within 3.

Kizer - wins vs the Ravens. 2017 KFC version of Ghoolie wont bet me because he knows that he will lose his ass. 2001 Ghoolie had balls and would step up and bet.

Dalton - 4 INTS, Flacco 121 yards passing, 

Steelers havent won a Super Bowl in 9 years. Some team you got there.

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The 21yr old throws up an 85.7 in his very first start - against the Stoolers no less, and some of us just can't see it..... I'm so glad I'm not one of them. 

 

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1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

The ONLY thing you say here that has a smidgeon of merit is the fact that the defense did not hit BR hard.....but....it seemed to me that that was somewhat purposeful.   So often they were using just a 3 man rush rather than basically sending a blitz on frequent occasion.

I would like to hear some explanation of that.

(I do wonder though how you think that Kizer is supposed to have matched BR's two Super Bowls after having only played one game.  ....and the fact is, it was a Browns special teams fuckup that won the game for the Steelers.   And Antonio Brown.

I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison. I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.

Look, people can pimp this guy all they want, but he got sacked 7 times. SEVEN. Now, that's not good, no matter how you slice it. All off season long I had to listen to the Hoorta army talk about how bad last year's OL was. So what do you call 7 sacks? Building for the future? What future? Orthapedic joints?

People are projecting bullshit, all on a positive spion. Losing by 3 Sunday means we are on the verge of being better than the Steelers? No, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean jack fucking shit. he Steelers played a very conservative game. They took very few risks because they knew they didn't have to. he planned to play soft, easy and calculated knowing that the Browns don't have playmakers. The Steelers beat us last year, last game of the season, by 3 points.

Go back and look at the threads. People posting how THIS was an Omen. Conjecturing that with all the picks we have coming and the maturity of the young guys, we would pound the Steelers opening day. Bullshit, we lost by 3 then, we added all this talent? And we still lost by 3. The Steelers played us much like a big kid plays with a little kid. Let him get close, don't hurt yourself, don't give away your hand, and then squash them at the end.

If people here believe that 7 sacks is not the biggest issue of this team, then they are idiots. If this guy gets hit that many times every game, he isn't going to to last long. You know it, and I know it. The problem remains, the Browns have scarce talent at the most important positions on the field. QB, WR, RB and TE. Seven sacks is a problem. he Ravens could get 10.

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21 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:

I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison. I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.

umm...wasn't me.  

Perhaps you're thinking of boo fagley.

I don't think it's at all fair to Kizer to compare him to Ben.  Ben's been in the league so long everyone thought he was gonna retire.  Kizer's 21 years old and  thrust into the starting job of a 1-15 team.  Based on that, if ya don't think Kizer's performance was pretty good then....I got nothin' for ya.

I mean really, if anyone should be able to tell a decent young QB performance from a bad young QB performance, it should be us.  We've seen a ton of young QB performances.

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So sorry.... I guess we simply didn't get the memo that one game makes or breaks an entire NFL career. No QB (or any other position) in NFL history has ever made improvements after their debut. 

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/09/worst-debuts-by-rookie-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history/

 

Nobody expected them to win, or be instantly better than the Steelers... or even be a playoff contender this season. Kizer showed toughness, arm talent, and a lot of mistakes that will go away with experience and coaching. He seems to study his ass off and practice hard, and he's light years ahead of where anyone projected him to be at this stage.

 

 

 

 

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http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/gamelogs?season=2004

Big Ben was sacked 7 times in his 11th game of his rookie year and had a good line and some hall of fame players on his team, so he statistically turned out ok. 

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2 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison. I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.

The guy who youre dodging to bet (ME) is the one who compared Kizers game stats to ugly Ben, your favorite.

 I was trying to highlight the 66.7% passing percentage which is very good. Kizer has Johnson, Coleman and Devalve to throw to and Ben has Brown, Bryant and James.

I was not proclaiming that a rookie QB with 1 game under his belt is the same as a top 10 QB thats been in the NFL 12 years.

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I compared Kizer to Roth when I viewed his game tape from college. He reminded me of him a lot. 

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5 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

Kizer won't be the Browns QB in 2018.

 Maybe Paxton Lynch will sign with Cleveland in 2018 after the Broncos kick his ass to the road.

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1 hour ago, boo fagley said:

 Maybe Paxton Lynch will sign with Cleveland in 2018 after the Broncos kick his ass to the road.

First he'll have to sign with Houston for a kazillion dollars...and then we'll trade for him and get a 2nd round pick along with his contract..

Actually, I can't bust balls on Paxton cos I wanted us to draft him towards the end of round one.

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16 hours ago, Ghoolie said:

I am not the one who made the comparison of Ben to Kizer. Orion posted the comparison.

He only compared statistics in one game they played against each other.....you are the one that took the comparison to an absurd level.

 

I agree, it was an idiotic comparison to begin with. But once he made it, I responded. I never expected to compare the two. You might want to direct your question to the guy that made the comparison for our discussion.

Again...you took it to an absurd level.

Look, people can pimp this guy all they want, but he got sacked 7 times. SEVEN. Now, that's not good, no matter how you slice it. All off season long I had to listen to the Hoorta army talk about how bad last year's OL was. So what do you call 7 sacks? Building for the future? What future? Orthapedic joints?

And even with those 7 sacks....he still led his offense to more points on that day than BR did...on that day. (remember, it was the punt block that was the difference in the game)

People are projecting bullshit, all on a positive spion. Losing by 3 Sunday means we are on the verge of being better than the Steelers? No, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean jack fucking shit. he Steelers played a very conservative game. They took very few risks because they knew they didn't have to. he planned to play soft, easy and calculated knowing that the Browns don't have playmakers. The Steelers beat us last year, last game of the season, by 3 points.

Go back and look at the threads. People posting how THIS was an Omen. Conjecturing that with all the picks we have coming and the maturity of the young guys, we would pound the Steelers opening day. Bullshit, we lost by 3 then, we added all this talent? And we still lost by 3. The Steelers played us much like a big kid plays with a little kid. Let him get close, don't hurt yourself, don't give away your hand, and then squash them at the end.

I think you are reading far more into what people say than is really there. You think that these people are proclaiming that Kizer was sent by God to deliver us from hell fire and damnation.  You WANT to see that others want to proclaim him to be the Messiah or something.  What I see are simply some football fans being optimistic that this kid may turn out to be a good QB.   Yet you want to cast him into the role of Lucifer.

Lighten the Fuck Up, Francis. It was one football game by  a rookie QB.  You act as if the 7 sacks were the 7 plagues sent by God. Jesus H. freeking Christ....get some perspective, will you.

If people here believe that 7 sacks is not the biggest issue of this team, then they are idiots. If this guy gets hit that many times every game, he isn't going to to last long. You know it, and I know it. The problem remains, the Browns have scarce talent at the most important positions on the field. QB, WR, RB and TE. Seven sacks is a problem. he Ravens could get 10.

See what I mean?  I mean do you have a name for each of these 7 Sacks?   Frogs, locusts, boils, water turned to blood, firey hail, wild animals, darkness. 

What happens if he throws for many TDs and wins a game......instead of the Black Tarkenton....you will have to call him the Black Moses.

 

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A little pointless to bicker about what might or might not happen. When he leads the Browns to the playoffs or beyond there will be plenty of time to gloat.

WSS

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too much irrational negativism on this board. Makes no sense, not entertaining, just mostly garbage.

the steelers were scared as hell of the Browns new aggressive, talented front seven. They were getting rid

of the ball instantly if possible, and that is with an allpro wr. The Browns slapped the squealer running game

into the turf, and would have won the game if that blocked punt had rolled out of bounds.

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22 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

too much irrational negativism on this board. Makes no sense, not entertaining, just mostly garbage.

the steelers were scared as hell of the Browns new aggressive, talented front seven. They were getting rid

of the ball instantly if possible, and that is with an allpro wr. The Browns slapped the squealer running game

into the turf, and would have won the game if that blocked punt had rolled out of bounds.

Boy....you make another good point...  If you noticed, when the punt was blocked it was headed straight for the back of the end zone. Had it just continued straight it would have gone out of the back of the end zone for a safety...and only 2 points for the Squibs.   Instead, it took a direct, sharp left turn and stayed in the end zone, allowing the Steelers to fall on it for a TD.   They gained an extra 5 points on very, very lucky bounce of the ball.

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17 hours ago, JAFBF said:

Our Rookie QB was the 14th rated QB for this past Weekend :

How ya'll feel about ?

Feels like he's got his Game Manager on and ended up statistically lumped in with a bunch of them.

16 hours ago, SD_Tom said:

So sorry.... I guess we simply didn't get the memo that one game makes or breaks an entire NFL career.

Well... try to keep up... not going to carry your ass the entire season... ;)

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For any interested Kizer's all-22 cutdown is on youtube...

 

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Please, just let the best QB play. 

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Have the Browns finally found an offensive strength they can hang their hat on? Kizer was deadly accurate on short passes, going 17-of-20 for 151 yards on throws to receivers within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage (though one of those three misses was intercepted). Kizer's 65 percent success rate on short passes was second-best among starters this week. Of course, the one starter who was better was Tom Savage, which tells you perhaps this isn't the best way to evaluate quarterbacks.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2017/week-1-quick-reads

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36 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

Please, just let the best QB play. 

Who would that be?

And I'm curious what you thought of the Browns releasing Joe Haden?

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47 minutes ago, PoeticG said:

Please, just let the best QB play. 

This must have been a dark day in the PoG household................

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2013/09/bernie_kosar_benched_bill_beli.html

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9 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

A little pointless to bicker about what might or might not happen. When he leads the Browns to the playoffs or beyond there will be plenty of time to gloat.

WSS

Exactly. The guy hasn't done shit. He got his dumb ass sacked 7 times and the BIGGEST offensive weapon was the Steeler penalties. some of them, total bullshit.

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2 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

For any interested Kizer's all-22 cutdown is on youtube...

 

After watching it really looked like the protection was overmatched on many plays. If they weren't crashing up the middle it was around the edge. Maybe partly because Kizer hung on to the ball and didn't process quickly enough, but it didn't look like the Steelers sent the house on very many plays.

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