The Gipper Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Thought it might be the other way around: that they could trade Haden for a pick and have to let Erving go for nothing. I would say it is a matter of age. Someone on KC must think they can "fix" Erving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 F#$%ing Cam.... Man was Ray Farmer horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Amazing . . . but we couldn't do anything with Haden. Must really boil down to $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 37 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Thought it might be the other way around: that they could trade Haden for a pick and have to let Erving go for nothing. I would say it is a matter of age. Someone on KC must think they can "fix" Erving. But how often does that happen that they're "fixed"? Though it does happen frequently a first round pick that totally busts with Team "A" gets to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he sucks with Team "B". MHO is if Erving hadn't been a first round pick- he would have been gone- long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, hoorta said: But how often does that happen that they're "fixed"? It's happening this year with Greg Robinson.. he's actually turning in good-to-great performances in DET this preseason even though he was the Rams' Cam Erving.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, hoorta said: But how often does that happen that they're "fixed"? Though it does happen frequently a first round pick that totally busts with Team "A" gets to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he sucks with Team "B". MHO is if Erving hadn't been a first round pick- he would have been gone- long ago. Not a first round pick, but Taylor is playing much better here than he was in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Gipper Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 43 minutes ago, hoorta said: But how often does that happen that they're "fixed"? Though it does happen frequently a first round pick that totally busts with Team "A" gets to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he sucks with Team "B". MHO is if Erving hadn't been a first round pick- he would have been gone- long ago. Jim Plunkett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Jim Plunkett? Yeah- what I was inferring- it's a mighty short list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, hoorta said: Yeah- what I was inferring- it's a mighty short list. We primarily think of QBs. Positions like Offensive Line don't get as much notice....but I am sure it happens occasionally. I recall the Browns drafted a guy named Frank Winters.....and let him go after a couple of seasons. I think he went on to a long career with the Packers, even playing OC for them in their 2 Super Bowls back in the 90s. After we dumped Big Money Gerard Warren, who defined suckage here, didn't he go on to do OK elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Gipper said: We primarily think of QBs. Positions like Offensive Line don't get as much notice....but I am sure it happens occasionally. I recall the Browns drafted a guy named Frank Winters.....and let him go after a couple of seasons. I think he went on to a long career with the Packers, even playing OC for them in their 2 Super Bowls back in the 90s. After we dumped Big Money Gerard Warren, who defined suckage here, didn't he go on to do OK elsewhere? Yeah, Spare Change went on to have a long and very undistinguished career. Same with Cameron Wimbley- another first round massive underachiever with the Browns. That we could have had Haloti Ngata instead of Cam is just another mistake in the long litany of Browns drafting screw-ups. Don't get me started on MHO of the all-time screw up. We took Warren with Ladainan Tomlinson still on the board- and I wanted him- bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, hoorta said: Yeah, Spare Change went on to have a long and very undistinguished career. Same with Cameron Wimbley- another first round massive underachiever with the Browns. That we could have had Haloti Ngata instead is just another mistake in the long litany of Browns drafting screw-ups. Don't get me started on MHO of the all-time screw up. We took Warren with Ladainan Tomlinson still on the board- and I wanted him- bad. I guess both of those guys were just "roster fillers" or "rotation guys" when they left here, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, The Gipper said: I guess both of those guys were just "roster fillers" or "rotation guys" when they left here, no? They were pretty much just warm bodies. Reminds me we were clueless as to how to properly utilize Jaball Sheard (though he wasn't a first round pick) - Bill B. figured it out pretty quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 hours ago, hoorta said: Yeah, Spare Change went on to have a long and very undistinguished career. Same with Cameron Wimbley- another first round massive underachiever with the Browns. That we could have had Haloti Ngata instead of Cam is just another mistake in the long litany of Browns drafting screw-ups. Don't get me started on MHO of the all-time screw up. We took Warren with Ladainan Tomlinson still on the board- and I wanted him- bad. The Browns scouting team was convinced that they were taking Richard Seymour - who had an excellent career - and were shocked when Butch Davis switched gears and told them they were drafting Warren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 5 hours ago, hoorta said: That wasn't Sashi and DePo doing the drafting.... FWIW, here's Cam's pre draft report- dead wrong on the NFL level on almost every count.... 2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Cameron Erving Strengths: Edit: reality in red. Superb athletic skill set for a center Quick interior lineman Strong; can move blockers at the point of attack Weak, Can't move blockers at point of attack Can single-block defensive tackles in pass protection Once in a great while... Very fast to the second level Was never seen on the second level except standing around Agile Plays with excellent technique Pad level Good balance Snaps the ball with good velocity over the quarterback's head Can match up on speed rushers Waves at speed rushers as they go by him unimpeded Anchors well against bull rushers Gets knocked on his ass by bull rushers Effective in double-teams Clueless in that mode Pulls well Um no Makes impact blocks on the second level to spring running backs Never saw that happen Scheme versatile Conditioning Experienced Intelligent Work ethic That only gets you so far if you don't have the talent Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015cerving.php#YIVfDxIFleSIbqA1.99 Able to demonstrate superior pancake skills at any position. Will be the Headwaiter at an IHOP some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 The best thing about the trade is knowing none of our quarterbacks will get killed thanks to Cam Irving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 21 hours ago, hoorta said: Agile... unless wearing pads Plays with excellent no technique Good balance so long as standing still You left the three biggest deficits unaddressed... 19 hours ago, The Gipper said: Thought it might be the other way around: that they could trade Haden for a pick and have to let Erving go for nothing. Probably just to disagree with me... As they say... I believe I had that one. 18 hours ago, The Gipper said: We primarily think of QBs. Positions like Offensive Line don't get as much notice....but I am sure it happens occasionally. Biggest OL draft bust of them all, Tony Mandarich, actually played some decent ball for Indy at the end of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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