Tour2ma Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ghoolie said: I never said Lynch needs more time. I said, you don't have anything to judge him on. I think being beaten out by Trevor Siemian two years in a row is something on which Lynch can be judged. That plus actually watching Lynch both preseasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, Ghoolie said: I never said Lynch needs more time. I said, you don't have anything to judge him on. If he busts, he busts. I am not often wrong, but we will see. I would be more worried about the Steelers sending Kizer along the RGIII path in a few weeks. Kizer already got the message loud and clear from Hue- start sliding. goober. Drastic change from the Giants game to the Bucs game... 24 minutes ago, Ghoolie said: With all due respect. All that observation is noise. He needs to make fucking plays. You don't win games by having nicer moves than anyone before you. Look, you know more about football than I do. Can you please explain the scoreboard to me? Just how many style points go into a team's score? There's more to just "making plays". It's called occupying a couple blockers so your teammates can make plays. It's making teams respect you so much- they run plays to the other side- or one of the great neutralizers- run the play right at you with a double team. 20 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: I think being beaten out by Trevor Siemian two years in a row is something on which Lynch can be judged. That plus actually watching Lynch both preseasons. Beat me to it Tour. There's now 2 preseasons of tape on Lynch, plus he played in three regular season games. WAY more tape than anyone has on Garrett. Seem there's some rumblings in Bronco Land.... Last preseason game two passes, one completion- man he's sure lighting it up. http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/23/broncos-quarterback-paxton-lynch-kiszla/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Ghoolie said: I never said Lynch needs more time. I said, you don't have anything to judge him on. If he busts, he busts. I am not often wrong, but we will see. I would be more worried about the Steelers sending Kizer along the RGIII path in a few weeks. You make it sound like the Steelers are a defense to be feared. That has not been the case in quite some time. I would fear BR and AB going off on the Browns more than I would worry about their defense. I think the Steelers should more likely fear the Browns OL/run game....though, admittedly, our passing game is not at a point that it is a fearsome thing, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, boo fagley said: How can experts even form an opinion on this latest draft after only 3 pre season games let alone someone with 30 years experience watching football on TV? Its also plausible that Williams is holding Garret back somewhat. Turn him loose on Pittsburgh then see what he brings to the table. Ive lost all faith in Ghoolie and his predictions. Appears that Tribsky will lose the starting job to Glennon. I just found out about another of his favorites Paxton Lynch. He tells me that Brady is finished. I would not worry so much about Trubisky sitting down in favor of Glennon. They are simply doing what most people expected the Browns to do: sit Kizer and start B.O. I don't think it is so much that MT has "lost" the starting job. Its just that they are doing the normal "sit and learn" thing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Ghoolie said: With all due respect. All that observation is noise. He needs to make fucking plays. You don't win games by having nicer moves than anyone before you. Look, you know more about football than I do. Can you please explain the scoreboard to me? Just how many style points go into a team's score? Ghoolie football is a teamsport. If a guy is forcing qb's to throw the ball early that means he's getting IN. Thats all u can ask out of a pass rusher. Theres other things tho like run defense that so far garrett has shown more he's as good or better at than anyone else on the team. He's a rookie in pre season. Wait till the end of the year to grade him alright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, The Gipper said: You make it sound like the Steelers are a defense to be feared. That has not been the case in quite some time. I would fear BR and AB going off on the Browns more than I would worry about their defense. I think the Steelers should more likely fear the Browns OL/run game....though, admittedly, our passing game is not at a point that it is a fearsome thing, no. Why would the steelers fear our ol now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I doubt Orchard is cut but Maybe saying so long to Danny, He never showed much and now we have guys on the team that can and will make plays. We finally have a DC that will sit people who miss plays or not try, I think our D will be a top 10 D this year. Let's Go Browns and bring the DAWG POUND BACK TO LIFE!! Woof Woof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, medicineman said: I doubt Orchard is cut but Maybe saying so long to Danny, He never showed much and now we have guys on the team that can and will make plays. We finally have a DC that will sit people who miss plays or not try, I think our D will be a top 10 D this year. Let's Go Browns and bring the DAWG POUND BACK TO LIFE!! Woof Woof I disagree there. I focused in on his play the first preseason game, and the guy really does take on 2 blockers a good chunk of the time on his way into the backfield. He's the caddy of the defense, teeing it up for the other guys to make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 26 minutes ago, medicineman said: I doubt Orchard is cut but Maybe saying so long to Danny, He never showed much and now we have guys on the team that can and will make plays. We finally have a DC that will sit people who miss plays or not try, I think our D will be a top 10 D this year. Let's Go Browns and bring the DAWG POUND BACK TO LIFE!! Woof Woof I laughed pretty hard at this. Danny is going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Danny is out for 2-3 weeks to start the season - he injured his knee in practice 8/16 and the estimate was 4-6wks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 46 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: I laughed pretty hard at this. Danny is going nowhere. Danny cut before orchard?? That was a headscratcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: Why would the steelers fear our ol now? Because it very well may be the best in the league. It has, arguably, the best talent of any OL in football. And in preseason, it really has not been asked to show what it can do in terms of the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Ragland was available for only a fourth? Yes he popped an ACL but I'd take that gamble every day.. Sashi missed one here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: Because it very well may be the best in the league. It has, arguably, the best talent of any OL in football. And in preseason, it really has not been asked to show what it can do in terms of the run game. Its the best in the league? Says who? If u say pff gip, we're gonna have to take it out back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 What the Browns have been so miserable at is developing talent. How you build a championship team is making those 2nd, 3rd, 4th round guys into viable starters or quality depth players. What's super encouraging from my perspective is it seems like finally the defense is DEVELOPING talent and keeping the guys worth paying. Nassib, Ogbah, Orchard, Schobert, all have shown flashes and we paid guys like Kirksey who came around to being a good player. Throw in a potential monster in Garrett and some promising DT play and it's the best I've felt about this unit in a long, long time. The front 7 makes the DB's look better, and is rarely the other way around. We obviously got some holes in the secondary but pressure and strong backer play can make up for it in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Its the best in the league? Says who? If u say pff gip, we're gonna have to take it out back PFF was one: #2 overall https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-line-units-heading-into-the-2017-season This has them 4th best: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/237652708/ranking-best-nfl-offensive-line-in-football Another one, not sure which, had both the Browns and Steelers as the 2 best OL in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Really gip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 "On paper" we easily have one of the berst OLs in the league... on paper.... 5 hours ago, The Gipper said: You make it sound like the Steelers are a defense to be feared. That has not been the case in quite some time. I would fear BR and AB going off on the Browns more than I would worry about their defense. I think the Steelers should more likely fear the Browns OL/run game....though, admittedly, our passing game is not at a point that it is a fearsome thing, no. It's been five seasons since they had the top rated D. Since then they've been in the 2nd quartile by most measures and that ain't nothing, but yes, they have committed more $$$ to their Offense in this phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Was it last year or the year before that pgh had the worst line in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 13 hours ago, Ghoolie said: With all due respect. All that observation is noise. He needs to make fucking plays. You don't win games by having nicer moves than anyone before you. Look, you know more about football than I do. Can you please explain the scoreboard to me? Sure. In all three of our games, it has revealed we had more points. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 17 hours ago, Ghoolie said: I never said Lynch needs more time. I said, you don't have anything to judge him on. If he busts, he busts. I am not often wrong, but we will see. I would be more worried about the Steelers sending Kizer along the RGIII path in a few weeks. What? Less than 10 days ago were adamant Hue was a jack off because he wasn't starting Kizer !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, LondonBrown said: What? Less than 10 days ago were adamant Hue was a jack off because he wasn't starting Kizer !? Ghoolie changes direction like the wind. We have him painted in a corner with his opinion on Lynch. "Can't be evaluated yet" after one full season, but Garrett's a bust before the season starts. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 15 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: Really gip? Really what? The Browns OL will be one of the best...talentwise in the league. Everyone has said so. They just have to play up to their talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 49 minutes ago, The Gipper said: Really what? The Browns OL will be one of the best...talentwise in the league. Everyone has said so. They just have to play up to their talent. All in all they protected fairly well in the Tampa game. But I want to see better running lanes opened in future games so we have some balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 12 hours ago, boo fagley said: 2nd round pick Kizer sitting and the first pick in the draft sitting, is not the same. Some wanted Tribsky instead of Garret. Kizer beat out Oiswieller, Tribsky could not beat out Glennon. Or...as I said, its a case of the Bears wanting to bring MT along slowly...to give him some time to sit and learn.....which is usually the way of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Usually? Not in the recent history of Top 2 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Usually? Not in the recent history of Top 2 picks. Yes, but didn't Goff sit for a while? (We may have dodged a bullet there.) MHO is Hue's qb eye is 1\2 blind, I just hope Kizer was mostly Sashi & DePo's idea. BTW Wentz only started because of an injury. Bradford got traded to recoup a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 2016: Goff did sit, but because he had real issues adapting to play calling and getting under Center. So that's one... Wentz flat won the job. He made Bradford expendable plus Philly still had Chase Daniels as backup. 2015: Both Winston and Mariotta started. 2014: Bortles (a #3) started. 2012: Both Luck and Griffin started. 2011: Newton started. 2010: Bradford started. 2009: Stafford started. I think that pretty much covers recent history of 1's and 2's.... and a #3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 55 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Usually? Not in the recent history of Top 2 picks. In the course of NFL history it is usual. It has become less usual lately, as, I think, teams have become more desperate and less patient to wait for their high draft pick QBs to prove themselves. See the 2017 Cleveland Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 44 minutes ago, hoorta said: , I just hope Kizer was mostly Sashi & DePo's idea Be very surprised, "analytically" Kizer didnt make the grade. Think he was more the eye test as when he flashed he looked very very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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