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This should give soccer fans something to cheer about......I guess. Current top soccer players make a fortune the average ones, eh. NFL, MLB, NBA are better on the averages. Our LeBron does ok for not going to college, oh yeah.

2017 season - For the fourth straight year, Real Madrid's Ronaldo is the world’s highest-paid soccer player. The $93 million he banked in the last year also bests the earnings of every active professional athlete worldwide.

Of that, the reigning FIFA Player of the Year made $58 million from salary and bonus (before taxes) in the past year as he led his club in goal scoring on the way to a Spanish league title and back-to-back UEFA Championship wins. For perspective, his playing wages alone would rank him No. 3 on our list of soccer’s highest-paid. In comparison, LeBron James, the highest paid NBA player and oft-compared modern day Michael Jordan, made $31 million playing for the Cleveland Cavaliers this season. (Combined with his endorsements, he took home $86 million.)

Average Salaries in the MLS.....some older numbers for the world comparison:

The average annual salary for soccer players in the MLS for the 2013 season is $148,693.26. This average varies by player position. Goalkeepers earn an average of $85,296.48; defenders $109,119.61; midfielders $129,573.88; and forwards $251,805.21. League regulations, such as the designated player rule, affect overall averages. Designated players can make more than salary caps, making their salaries much higher than other players in the team. For example, the highest paid player in the MLS, Clint Dempsey, earns $4,913,004 per year, but the lowest salary in the league earns $31,125.

Professional soccer player salaries depend on league and country regulations, among other things. Learn more about the average soccer player's salary here.

Average Salaries in the NWSL

The National Women’s Soccer League manages women's professional soccer in the U.S. This league only started in 2013 and, as yet, does not have average salary figures. Women's soccer in the United States follows the worldwide trend in terms of earnings -- female players do not typically have the earning capacity of male players. Salaries in the NWSL range from $6,000 to $30,000 per year.

Professional soccer player salaries depend on league and country regulations, among other things. Learn more about the average soccer player's salary here.

Average Soccer Salaries Outside the U.S.

Soccer is a much bigger sport in other countries around the world, and players in foreign leagues have the potential to make a lot more money. For example, the average annual salary for top English Premier League players in 2012 was the equivalent of around $2,509,572 per year, although players in lower leagues earn far less. Individual salary rules set by clubs also affect league averages -- some pay far more than others. For example, players at Manchester City earned an average salary of $7,403,754 in the 2011/2012 season, and players at West Bromwich Albion made an average of $1,650,305 per year.

Professional soccer player salaries depend on league and country regulations, among other things. Learn more about the average soccer player's salary here.

Bonuses, Endorsements and Sponsorship

Professional soccer players don't just make a basic salary, and many earn extra through bonuses, sponsorship deals and endorsements. The amount that players can make is typically dependent on how good or well-known they are, and world-class players may make more money from these deals than they earn in salary. For example, David Beckham's salary when he played for Los Angeles Galaxy was $6,500,000 per year. According to a report in Forbes, his total earnings from his five years in the MLS came to $255 million.

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6 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Yeah but who can really watch a sport where little pansies go down holding their knees all the time as slow-mo catches the non-contact. Then the trainer gives a "miracle cure" and off they sprint to the next "collision". I'd rather go outside on a hike and watch the biannual Monarch Butterfly migrations through my part of the world.🦋      🌻 🌻

Ha, until they changed the rules, the same could be said for pro basketball. Led by the King of the floppers, Bill Laimbeer.

There's more action in the first five minutes of a soccer match than an entire baseball game- no wonder a lot of people consider baseball utterly boring, second only to golf. Regarding golf- we hashed this out years ago, and guys are entrenched in their opinions- but personally- I don't consider golf to be a sport- it's a skill.  

Thanks to MJP's article, US major league soccer has a long way to go to catch up in average salary to the European version- (looks like the equivalent of Class A baseball) probably why most of the top US soccer players play on European teams. We'd need to start filling up 60,000 seat stadiums and get major air time to catch up. 

Regarding FS' comments about top athletes, completely different skill set as opposed to playing football. Basketball may be close. Top Marathon runners would gas any NFL player in the first mile or two. Regarding football, I'm always fond of recalling Chris Collinsworth's story about the Bengal's soccer match. The Bengals were in a bar, and called the local semi-pro soccer team a bunch of wusses. Got challenged to a soccer match- the soccer guys were up 10-0 when the Bengals quit. So much for the "superior athletes".  

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The FIFA boring soccer update today of the three key games the scores were 1-0, 1-0 and 1-1. 

Are you kidding who could watch this snoozefest? Zzzzzzzzoooooooo. :lol:

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21 hours ago, hoorta said:

Yeah Tom, the new model isn't Joe six pack, it's the guys with money. The NFL will survive with it's current business model, but I don't expect it to retain it's dominance forever. 

Futball- the soccer kind IS the dominant world sport, the USA was a little slow in recognizing it. Crap, Pele was a curiosity back then. Now? You have more kids in youth soccer than any other sport. Just a matter of time until the US produces a world class super-duper star on the order of Maradona or Reynaldo. We have guys like Altidore and a few others that are stars on the international level, just not enough yet to make us a serious World Cup contender. I said way back, it would take a generation of the kids playing soccer until they moved up to the coaching ranks for us to turn the corner- dead on. 

I admit- soccer is boring as hell to those that aren't interested in the game. But for one who played competitive hockey, if you think of soccer as a slow motion version of that- you appreciate it. The strategy and rules are similar. 

So get with the program- you wouldn't see premier league, and major league US soccer on TV if no one was watching. Gip was trying to argue with me- but he has his head up his a$$, the World Cup final is the most watched sporting event- period. World wide viewership makes our NFL Super Bowl minor league by comparison. 

What does Suck-er have to do with anything? Homosexuals actually think it is normal to consummate their "marriage" by putting their penis into the rectum of the guy they call their husband. That is popular too, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The NFL won't die in our lifetime nor in that of our kids.

Soccer is a **Mask** sport, for fukcing morons. Idiots follow soccer. Since there are so many idiots in the world, of course, soccer will remain a big sport. HOWEVER...........the problem soccer has, in addition to the homosexual infestation, is that there are too many teams, too many divisions, and..............it is a boring game. These penis puffers aren't going to flock to sports bars like NFL fans do. Also, since it doesn't take a huge skill set to play soccer, anyone can make the soccer team. This commonality will eventually stagnate this boring non-sport. It will eventually collapse under it's own weight.

Meanwhile, the NFL is indeed changing. It is not a matter of better, or worse, it is a matter of going here the money is, and not catering to the element that will support it no matter what.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, mjp28 said:

The FIFA boring soccer update today of the three key games the scores were 1-0, 1-0 and 1-1. 

Are you kidding who could watch this snoozefest? Zzzzzzzzoooooooo. :lol:

Three key games? There were only three games played. 

There were many attempts in at least two of them (the other one was Serbia-Costa Rica and I know anything about it).

It is all about perspective. If you ONLY value goals,  then you have a point, but goals are more scarce in soccer thus making them more exciting. I love american football but I tell you that I celebrate 10 times more a goal than a touchdown due to this condition.

Following that kind of perspective, the sport this board is about could be a bit lame because you are given 4 DOWNS TO ADVANCE 10 YARDS. And in baseball  IIRC very few batters reach even 0.500, meaning that more than half of the time there's absolutely nothing happening. 

EDIT. Both american football and baseball games average more than 3 hours of time. You have (in football's case) 1h of game clock. Real playing time? 10-12 minutes of REAL ACTION. 

Soccer: a match lasts 1h 45min, many times more than that because of extra time. Let's say 2h. You have a 1h 30min (90min) game clock, with 40mins of REAL ACTION. 

12/180 = 6.67 per cent of real action time per overall time. 

40/120 = 33.33 per cent of real action time per overall time in soccer.

See that I've been generous towards american sports and there's 5 times more action in soccer.

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6 hours ago, mjp28 said:

The FIFA boring soccer update today of the three key games the scores were 1-0, 1-0 and 1-1. 

Are you kidding who could watch this snoozefest? Zzzzzzzzoooooooo. :lol:

I did, Mexico - Germany. You guys must hate hockey too, where there isn't much scoring.

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On 6/17/2018 at 1:56 AM, hoorta said:

Yeah Tom, the new model isn't Joe six pack, it's the guys with money. The NFL will survive with it's current business model, but I don't expect it to retain it's dominance forever. 

Futball- the soccer kind IS the dominant world sport, the USA was a little slow in recognizing it. Crap, Pele was a curiosity back then. Now? You have more kids in youth soccer than any other sport. Just a matter of time until the US produces a world class super-duper star on the order of Maradona or Reynaldo. We have guys like Altidore and a few others that are stars on the international level, just not enough yet to make us a serious World Cup contender. I said way back, it would take a generation of the kids playing soccer until they moved up to the coaching ranks for us to turn the corner- dead on. 

I admit- soccer is boring as hell to those that aren't interested in the game. But for one who played competitive hockey, if you think of soccer as a slow motion version of that- you appreciate it. The strategy and rules are similar. 

So get with the program- you wouldn't see premier league, and major league US soccer on TV if no one was watching. Gip was trying to argue with me- but he has his head up his a$$, the World Cup final is the most watched sporting event- period. World wide viewership makes our NFL Super Bowl minor league by comparison. 

You are misrepresenting what I said......I have no doubt that more people watch the World Cup than watch the Super Bowl.   After all....it is an event that is held over like a month and a half with like 100 games played and is shown to like 200 nations in the world.  How can not more people watch it?

But, I would bet you that for a single game event....with viewership in a single country....the Super Bowl gets higher ratings. 

Maybe, just maybe.....the countries that are participating in the WC final may get ratings in those countries that might come close to matching those of the Super Bowl. Maybe...like in Germany or Argentina for the 2014 WC final.....but you will have to prove that to me.  (I could not find the figures for those countries)

Here is this:  

Sunday’s 2014 FIFA World Cup Final on ABC – a 1-0 victory in extra time over Argentina to secure Germany’s fourth World Cup title and first since 1990 – ranks as the most-watched Men’s World Cup Final match ever among viewers. Based on Nielsen fast nationals, the ABC telecast averaged 17,324,000 viewers and a 9.1 US HH rating for the game window (3-5:44 p.m. ET). It also ranks as the third most-viewed World Cup game – men’s or women’s – in the United States behind ESPN’s coverage of this year’s USA vs. Portugal match ever (18,220,000 viewers) and the 1999 FIFA Women’s World Cup Final on ABC (USA vs. China with 17,975,000 viewers).

So, here in the USA....that got  17 million viewers.   The most watched soccer game in US history got a bit over 18 million.

The Super Bowl gets  like 120 million viewers. 

 

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20 hours ago, hoorta said:

Ha, until they changed the rules, the same could be said for pro basketball. Led by the King of the floppers, Bill Laimbeer.

There's more action in the first five minutes of a soccer match than an entire baseball game-

That is just a stupid comment.

no wonder a lot of people consider baseball utterly boring, second only to golf. Regarding golf- we hashed this out years ago, and guys are entrenched in their opinions- but personally- I don't consider golf to be a sport- it's a skill.  

Thanks to MJP's article, US major league soccer has a long way to go to catch up in average salary to the European version- (looks like the equivalent of Class A baseball) probably why most of the top US soccer players play on European teams. We'd need to start filling up 60,000 seat stadiums and get major air time to catch up. 

Regarding FS' comments about top athletes, completely different skill set as opposed to playing football. Basketball may be close. Top Marathon runners would gas any NFL player in the first mile or two. Regarding football, I'm always fond of recalling Chris Collinsworth's story about the Bengal's soccer match. The Bengals were in a bar, and called the local semi-pro soccer team a bunch of wusses. Got challenged to a soccer match- the soccer guys were up 10-0 when the Bengals quit. So much for the "superior athletes".  

What do you think would happen if the soccer team took on the Bengals in football? It would be 150-0 after the first quarter.

 

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8 hours ago, hoorta said:

I did, Mexico - Germany. You guys must hate hockey too, where there isn't much scoring.

Well hockey is 5 guys on the ice with razor sharp skates carrying clubs and bashing each other against the boards and thank goodness most all important games don't end up 1-0 or in a tie, sometimes 0-0 or 1-1. Zzzzzzzzoooooooo. 

My definition - soccer, recess for big kids. :lol:

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8 hours ago, Nero said:

Three key games? There were only three games played. 

There were many attempts in at least two of them (the other one was Serbia-Costa Rica and I know anything about it).

It is all about perspective. If you ONLY value goals,  then you have a point, but goals are more scarce in soccer thus making them more exciting. I love american football but I tell you that I celebrate 10 times more a goal than a touchdown due to this condition.

Following that kind of perspective, the sport this board is about could be a bit lame because you are given 4 DOWNS TO ADVANCE 10 YARDS. And in baseball  IIRC very few batters reach even 0.500, meaning that more than half of the time there's absolutely nothing happening. 

EDIT. Both american football and baseball games average more than 3 hours of time. You have (in football's case) 1h of game clock. Real playing time? 10-12 minutes of REAL ACTION. 

Soccer: a match lasts 1h 45min, many times more than that because of extra time. Let's say 2h. You have a 1h 30min (90min) game clock, with 40mins of REAL ACTION. 

12/180 = 6.67 per cent of real action time per overall time. 

40/120 = 33.33 per cent of real action time per overall time in soccer.

See that I've been generous towards american sports and there's 5 times more action in soccer.

Just because people are out there running around and kicking the ball to each other in the midfield  does not mean that there is any action at all in soccer.  They probably spend less time of REAL ACTION  actually attacking the goal than the 10-12 minutes of action you say is involved in football. This may not be something you are familiar with, but in College basketball at one time there was no such thing as a shot clock.  A team could hold the ball as long as they wanted.  Coach Dean Smith of North Carolina developed what he called his Four Corners offense. Essentially he would just have his players dribble the ball or pass the ball...or hold the ball for minutes at a time around the perimeter before even attempting to shoot the ball.  That is what most soccer matches seem like to me. Are the players out there moving and is the clock moving? Sure...but NOTHING is happening at all. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRVmc6dO0g8

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3 hours ago, The Gipper said:

You are misrepresenting what I said......I have no doubt that more people watch the World Cup than watch the Super Bowl.   After all....it is an event that is held over like a month and a half with like 100 games played and is shown to like 200 nations in the world.  How can not more people watch it?

But, I would bet you that for a single game event....with viewership in a single country....the Super Bowl gets higher ratings. 

Maybe, just maybe.....the countries that are participating in the WC final may get ratings in those countries that might come close to matching those of the Super Bowl. Maybe...like in Germany or Argentina for the 2014 WC final.....but you will have to prove that to me.  (I could not find the figures for those countries)

Here is this:  

Sunday’s 2014 FIFA World Cup Final on ABC – a 1-0 victory in extra time over Argentina to secure Germany’s fourth World Cup title and first since 1990 – ranks as the most-watched Men’s World Cup Final match ever among viewers. Based on Nielsen fast nationals, the ABC telecast averaged 17,324,000 viewers and a 9.1 US HH rating for the game window (3-5:44 p.m. ET). It also ranks as the third most-viewed World Cup game – men’s or women’s – in the United States behind ESPN’s coverage of this year’s USA vs. Portugal match ever (18,220,000 viewers) and the 1999 FIFA Women’s World Cup Final on ABC (USA vs. China with 17,975,000 viewers).

So, here in the USA....that got  17 million viewers.   The most watched soccer game in US history got a bit over 18 million.

The Super Bowl gets  like 120 million viewers. 

 

I would hazard a guess the % of televisions tuned into the WC final in the participating countries would far exceed the % of US televisions tuned into the Super Bowl. Or are you going to try and tell me a significant percentage of people in the USA don't give a rat about American football? 

48% rating for SB LII, and 103 million viewers,  (meaning 52%- the majority- of the TVs weren't watching the Super Bowl). I don't have the world wide rankings. Yawn.  But I'll bet you a double magnum of 1982 Chateau Latour (value $13,000) that pales in comparison to the World Cup final   EDIT: Don't bother- I looked it up.  

Last year's Super Bowl was watched by an estimated 160 million viewers worldwide, the bulk of which were in the United States. By comparison, the 2014 World Cup final between Germany and Argentina had a global audience of about 1 billion.

2014 FIFA World Cup reached 3.2 billion viewers. More than one billion fans tuned in to watch the final of the 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil, with the competition reaching a global in-home television audience of 3.2 billion people, according to final figures from FIFA and Kantar Media

I'll also say- and bet you a cheap bottle of wine. The US will beat that 18 million viewers for this years WC final. It's like the tide rolling in Gip- as us old fuddy duddies kick off, soccer will become more and more popular here- it's already happening.  :)    

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16 minutes ago, hoorta said:

I would hazard a guess the % of televisions tuned into the WC final in the participating countries would far exceed the % of US televisions tuned into the Super Bowl. Or are you going to try and tell me a significant percentage of people in the USA don't give a rat about American football? 

48% rating for SB LII, and 103 million viewers,  (meaning 52%- the majority- of the TVs weren't watching the Super Bowl). I don't have the world wide rankings. Yawn.  But I'll bet you a double magnum of 1982 Chateau Latour (value $13,000) that pales in comparison to the World Cup final   EDIT: Don't bother- I looked it up.  

Well, then...you have proved nothing.  Until you can come up with the ratings figures for the WC Final for Argentina and Germany...and compare them to the Super Bowl....we have nothing to compare.

Last year's Super Bowl was watched by an estimated 160 million viewers worldwide, the bulk of which were in the United States. By comparison, the 2014 World Cup final between Germany and Argentina had a global audience of about 1 billion.

2014 FIFA World Cup reached 3.2 billion viewers. More than one billion fans tuned in to watch the final of the 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil, with the competition reaching a global in-home television audience of 3.2 billion people, according to final figures from FIFA and Kantar Media

Again.....3.2 bill watched 64 WC games. (I looked it up and that is the number)  Given that they were broadcast to 200 countries, not that impressed overall....considering that some of that 3.2 bill. may have been the same person counted 64 times.  I mean.....besides the SB...how many people overall watched all of the NFL playoffs?  And 1 Billion for the WC Final...divided amongst 200 countries.  I mean, the USA has only 4% of the world population.  But the Super Bowl...per your figures got 16% of the viewership of the WC.   One country with 4% gets 16% of what the WC gets.

I'll also say- and bet you a cheap bottle of wine. The US will beat that 18 million viewers for this years WC final. It's like the tide rolling in Gip- as us old fuddy duddies kick off, soccer will become more and more popular here- it's already happening.  :)    

I will take that bet.  And I will get you a decent Finger Lakes region wine when I visit my son, if I lose.   The WC Final will NOT get 18 million viewers.  As for soccer "taking over"...that is what the soccer fags have been saying for 40 years.   

Good old American Basketball has taken over more of the World comparatively than soccer has in a similar time frame. 

 

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2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Just because people are out there running around and kicking the ball to each other in the midfield  does not mean that there is any action at all in soccer.  They probably spend less time of REAL ACTION  actually attacking the goal than the 10-12 minutes of action you say is involved in football. This may not be something you are familiar with, but in College basketball at one time there was no such thing as a shot clock.  A team could hold the ball as long as they wanted.  Coach Dean Smith of North Carolina developed what he called his Four Corners offense. Essentially he would just have his players dribble the ball or pass the ball...or hold the ball for minutes at a time around the perimeter before even attempting to shoot the ball.  That is what most soccer matches seem like to me. Are the players out there moving and is the clock moving? Sure...but NOTHING is happening at all. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRVmc6dO0g8

Well, what I'm talking about is that ''NOTHING'' works every way. Any soccer fan I introduce to american football, I have to explain the importance of a guy running for 2 yards and being stopped, and then another time when a QB misses a pass, and then a punt. 

In soccer you have more real action time, and a way bigger percentage for the overall match time. But in American Football, you have way less playing time, but I'm not going to be the one saying it is action packed and more intense.

The point I'm trying to get across is that, to put it simply:

-Soccer fans enjoy a sport where most of the time the ball is moving, with the tactic consisting on playing both at the same time defense and attack, thus making it a more easy paced sport that never stops. 

-American Football fans enjoy a sport where most of the time the ball is dead, with the tactic consisting on trying to solve the position that is given any given time by the rival, and with short time spans of action, thus making it a sport of top speed, and phisicallity. 

So, the same ''rarara nothing happens in soccer, it's boring blablabla'' can be said to American Football too. 

Furthermore, now that I'm thinking of it, I'm going to say that if there was NO TV (no replays, no different angles, etc.), I would probably enjoy more soccer than american football. 

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And here is a number:    Overall this past season, the NFL playoffs, of which only  11 games were played, were watched by  408 million people. (This includes the 103 mill for the SB)

So....11 games in one country get 408 mill viewers......while  3.2 bill watch the 64 WC games in  200 countries.

To break it down:

The NFL playoffs were watched by an average 37.09  million per game....in the USA (with 4% of the population) 

The WC games were watched by about 50 million per game....in 200 countries.

 

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5 minutes ago, Nero said:

Well, what I'm talking about is that ''NOTHING'' works every way. Any soccer fan I introduce to american football, I have to explain the importance of a guy running for 2 yards and being stopped, and then another time when a QB misses a pass, and then a punt. 

In soccer you have more real action time, and a way bigger percentage for the overall match time. But in American Football, you have way less playing time, but I'm not going to be the one saying it is action packed and more intense.

Well...that is just wrong.  again, just because people are moving does not mean that there is meaningful action.  See my 4 corners example

The point I'm trying to get across is that, to put it simply:

-Soccer fans enjoy a sport where most of the time the ball is moving, with the tactic consisting on playing both at the same time defense and attack, thus making it a more easy paced sport that never stops. 

Some can say that it rarely ever starts.

-American Football fans enjoy a sport where most of the time the ball is dead, with the tactic consisting on trying to solve the position that is given any given time by the rival, and with short time spans of action, thus making it a sport of top speed, and phisicallity. 

So, the same ''rarara nothing happens in soccer, it's boring blablabla'' can be said to American Football too. 

Furthermore, now that I'm thinking of it, I'm going to say that if there was NO TV (no replays, no different angles, etc.), I would probably enjoy more soccer than american football. 

The thing is....there is more action and intensity  in the few seconds of a single football game than there are in like 10 minutes of a soccer game.

That is just the nature of each sport. 

But...you can fix soccer....just by eliminating the offside rule. 

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7 hours ago, The Gipper said:

And here is a number:    Overall this past season, the NFL playoffs, of which only  11 games were played, were watched by  408 million people. (This includes the 103 mill for the SB)

So....11 games in one country get 408 mill viewers......while  3.2 bill watch the 64 WC games in  200 countries.

To break it down:

The NFL playoffs were watched by an average 37.09  million per game....in the USA (with 4% of the population) 

The WC games were watched by about 50 million per game....in 200 countries.

 

Gip, no one is arguing that the NFL isn't the #1 major domo sport in the United States As I pointed out, more than half of the TVs in the USA weren't even tuned into the SB. Just get your head out of your a$$ and admit world wide, interest in the NFL pales in comparison to soccer. Or you forget they folded NFL Europe? 

Yawn, so in those 200 countries- make that around 100 because the majority of the world doesn't give a $hit about the NFL, the Super Bowl was out viewed by a ratio of around 10-1 as opposed to the World Cup Final. 

 

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8 hours ago, The Gipper said:

The thing is....there is more action and intensity  in the few seconds of a single football game than there are in like 10 minutes of a soccer game.

That is just the nature of each sport. 

But...you can fix soccer....just by eliminating the offside rule. 

Well if you want to increase the scoring by orders of magnitude- sure. It's the same reason why there's offsides in hockey- and I played the sport Gip. You'd just have a bunch of guys hanging around the goal waiting for (in the case of soccer) a 50 yard pass, or in hockey- why bother to defend,  if the object is to score as many goals as quickly as possible? Want to change it to a score-a-thon? They could make MLB a lot more interesting just by changing it to underhand slow pitch- have 50-40 games. It would change the nature of the game, and that's why it will never happen. 

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12 hours ago, hoorta said:

Gip, no one is arguing that the NFL isn't the #1 major domo sport in the United States As I pointed out, more than half of the TVs in the USA weren't even tuned into the SB. Just get your head out of your a$$ and admit world wide, interest in the NFL pales in comparison to soccer. Or you forget they folded NFL Europe? 

Yawn, so in those 200 countries- make that around 100 because the majority of the world doesn't give a $hit about the NFL, the Super Bowl was out viewed by a ratio of around 10-1 as opposed to the World Cup Final. 

 

The point YOU are missing is that with just 4% of the population, the Super Bowl gets  16% of the overall viewership as the WC Final. 

So, the bottom line is that the NFL, the Super Bowl is far, far more popular here than soccer is worldwide. That is the point I am making. 

And, as you say....the Super Bowl is seen by "less than half of the TVs" in the US?  Of course, you realize that when the Super Bowl is on you often get dozens of people going to a Super Bowl party....as I do annually go to Westside Steve's SB party.  That means that my TV at home is not turned on to the SB...so by your argument, I would not be counted as watching the Super Bowl....but of course I certainly am watching it at the party.

Now....can you come up with some stats that say what % of people in Argentina or Germany were watching the WC final?  I expect that more than 50% in those countries were watching it.....after all, it only happens once every 4 years....and for those countries it may be a fact that they are in that final only once in a generation, or lifetime.   Like waiting for the Browns to be in the Super Bowl.  So it should garner a ton of viewership.

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10 hours ago, hoorta said:

Well if you want to increase the scoring by orders of magnitude- sure. It's the same reason why there's offsides in hockey- and I played the sport Gip. You'd just have a bunch of guys hanging around the goal waiting for (in the case of soccer) a 50 yard pass, or in hockey- why bother to defend,  if the object is to score as many goals as quickly as possible? Want to change it to a score-a-thon? They could make MLB a lot more interesting just by changing it to underhand slow pitch- have 50-40 games. It would change the nature of the game, and that's why it will never happen. 

Hockey's offside is a totally different rule than the one in soccer.  Soccer's offside rule is tantamount to saying that in football no WR is allowed to run past their defender on the way to the goal. That any score where the WR outruns the DB covering him would be disallowed. It also treats the goalie like he is a potted plant...incapable of doing anything.  

Yet, in that sport...to hype it up at the end of tie games they go to a silly shootout system.....which is nothing but a mano a mano confrontation between a player and a goalie.  Why not simply incorporate that matchup organically into the regular game?

And you totally overestimate the amount of "cherry picking" that would go on.  Cherry picking is legal in basketball...yet you don't see it happening at all.  So...if the offside rule were to never be eliminated...then that is one reason that soccer will always remain boring

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18 minutes ago, Zombo said:

Not sure which is gayer, Soccer or Las Vegas?

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1) Gip is always right. 

2) If Gip is wrong, refer to #1.

To try some co-ckamamie spin that soccer isn't by far the world's #1 sport is just wrong, and I'm not going to bother debating him on it.

It's not like I'm a huge fan Z. I do tune into the highlights. LOL, you can usually condense 90 minutes of a match to 30 seconds. I will watch the final in toto.

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It's the worlds number one sport because it evolved that way. All you need is a ball, two sticks and some grass and kids can play anywhere in the world.

Great sport for ladies, in my opinion.

But here in the United States we have grown-ass man sports.

We developed basketball and that's what kids growing up in the city can play easily, much more exciting game than soccer to play or watch.

We developed baseball and that's what the country kids play, develops a multitude of skills ... you can actually use your hands and arms!.

And for the tough kids, we developed football ... rugby but much more exciting for the common guy to watch. Most exciting sport to watch for me... rest of the world can watch soccer, I'm cool with that .. Doesnt make me wrong for loving football, basketball and baseball and not caring a poop nugget about a ladies sport that the rest of the world still loves as a men's sport.

Z

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Regarding FS' comments about top athletes, completely different skill set as opposed to playing football. Basketball may be close. Top Marathon runners would gas any NFL player in the first mile or two. Regarding football, I'm always fond of recalling Chris Collinsworth's story about the Bengal's soccer match. The Bengals were in a bar, and called the local semi-pro soccer team a bunch of wusses. Got challenged to a soccer match- the soccer guys were up 10-0 when the Bengals quit. So much for the "superior athletes".  

What do you think would happen if the soccer team took on the Bengals in football? It would be 150-0 after the first quarter. :lol:

Oh god my favorite exchange of the day......"deezzz guys were in a bar and were challenged to go play soccer" . Are you kidding me? If I were drinking in a bar I'd throw up if you wanted me to run around chasing a ball like it's the chicken in the Rocky movie. :lol:

If you look at the echelon of world athletes it would be a bit subjective but the hardest team sport to play physically would have to be American football followed by basketball or hockey (ice, try it!) then everything else in some order. Just try for a minute to take out our personal likes and preconceived notions out of the equation. 

Anyone who wants to line up against a professional or collegiate football team and go for four quarters would get killed!

Sure and a skinny butt marathon runner from Kenya can run 26.2 miles also NOT a team sport. Soccer players stand around a lot (yes i've watched the USA men's and women's team in the  Olympics and World Cup and our football team played one summer in high school) just try and watch it! Zzzooooooo.

And soccer the world's game, look it up, some form has been played going back about 2,000 years. All you need is a ball or human skull or something to kick around a field. (yes it's been theorized they used deceased enemies skulls way back but no video remains). The USA was a bunch of woods back then. That is why it is viewed and followed all over the world. OH and when was the last American football riot where they throw lit flares or  people were killed? Do they put chain link link fences around the BROWNS  games? Are some teams fans BARRED from some games or entire countries?  True or false?  

So to each his own but I guarantee you I'm not TIVOing a marathon game or soccer or golf match anytime this century. The recent CTE health crisis has been the biggest recent boom for soccer more mommies won't let their kids play tackle football, that's good for soccer they will get more former football athletes and mom's to attend games.

Just my humble opinion of course. ;)

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1 hour ago, hoorta said:

1) Gip is always right. 

2) If Gip is wrong, refer to #1.

To try some co-ckamamie spin that soccer isn't by far the world's #1 sport is just wrong, and I'm not going to bother debating him on it.

To try some Sockamamie spin that I don't agree that soccer is the world's #1 sport is just wrong.  I recognize that it is...and have said so repeatedly.  Not sure what you have been reading.  It is gay, it is boring...but it is popular.   I am saying that in all those other 200 countries though....futbol is NOT more popular in them than real football is here.

It's not like I'm a huge fan Z. I do tune into the highlights. LOL, you can usually condense 90 minutes of a match to 30 seconds. I will watch the final in toto.

Yep, there you go.....90 minutes of a soccer game CAN be reduced to 30 seconds of real action.

 

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1 hour ago, Zombo said:

It's the worlds number one sport because it evolved that way. All you need is a ball, two sticks and some grass and kids can play anywhere in the world.

Where do the sticks come into play in soccer?  

Great sport for ladies, in my opinion.

But here in the United States we have grown-butt man sports.

We developed basketball and that's what kids growing up in the city can play easily, much more exciting game than soccer to play or watch.

We developed baseball and that's what the country kids play, develops a multitude of skills ... you can actually use your hands and arms!.

And for the tough kids, we developed football ... rugby but much more exciting for the common guy to watch. Most exciting sport to watch for me... rest of the world can watch soccer, I'm cool with that .. Doesnt make me wrong for loving football, basketball and baseball and not caring a poop nugget about a ladies sport that the rest of the world still loves as a men's sport.

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Z

 

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1 hour ago, Zombo said:

It's the worlds number one sport because it evolved that way. All you need is a ball, two sticks and some grass and kids can play anywhere in the world.

Great sport for ladies, in my opinion.

But here in the United States we have grown-butt man sports.

We developed basketball and that's what kids growing up in the city can play easily, much more exciting game than soccer to play or watch.

We developed baseball and that's what the country kids play, develops a multitude of skills ... you can actually use your hands and arms!.

And for the tough kids, we developed football ... rugby but much more exciting for the common guy to watch. Most exciting sport to watch for me... rest of the world can watch soccer, I'm cool with that .. Doesnt make me wrong for loving football, basketball and baseball and not caring a poop nugget about a ladies sport that the rest of the world still loves as a men's sport.

Z

And with the shoe on the other foot, the majority of the rest of the world doesn't give a rat about American football.  I agree, basketball is becoming very much a world sport. Not like when the original Dream Team was beating the rest of the world's best by 50, and not even trying too hard. Plenty of foreign stars in the NBA, Nowitzki is a certain first ballot HOFer. It's working the other way around now, the very top American soccer players like Tim Howard, Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey playing in Europe- because the money is way better over there. I've said eventually, us guys will reach a critical mass of top players to make a serious run at a World Cup.  FWIW, the US missing out on the World Cup this year losing to Trinidad is the football equivalent of Michigan getting beat by Appalachian State. 

BTW Z in Third World countries, that's all you need to play soccer, a ball and two sticks for a goal post.  LOL- as an aside to Gip, if you're living in a hut with a dirt floor and no running water, you probably don't have a TV and satellite dish (um, no electricity either) to tune into the World Cup, or the viewership would be a lot higher. 

But I'd bet if we had all grown up in Europe, we'd all be soccer fans.  :)  

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19 minutes ago, hoorta said:

And with the shoe on the other foot, the majority of the rest of the world doesn't give a rat about American football.  I agree, basketball is becoming very much a world sport. Not like when the original Dream Team was beating the rest of the world's best by 50, and not even trying too hard. Plenty of foreign stars in the NBA, Nowitzki is a certain first ballot HOFer. It's working the other way around now, the very top American soccer players like Tim Howard, Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey playing in Europe- because the money is way better over there. I've said eventually, us guys will reach a critical mass of top players to make a serious run at a World Cup.  FWIW, the US missing out on the World Cup this year losing to Trinidad is the football equivalent of Michigan getting beat by Appalachian State. 

BTW Z in Third World countries, that's all you need to play soccer, a ball and two sticks for a goal post.  LOL- as an aside to Gip, if you're living in a hut with a dirt floor and no running water, you probably don't have a TV and satellite dish (um, no electricity either) to tune into the World Cup, or the viewership would be a lot higher. 

But I'd bet if we had all grown up in Europe, we'd all be soccer fans.  :)  

You overemphasize the lack of access to TV around the world.  How much of it is really that dirt poor that there is no TV.   (and fyi....there are more TVs in China than in the USA).

And we didn't grow up in Europe. So you can thank goodness for that.  Besides that......not ALL Europeans are into soccer.  My cousin in England despises it really....he is more of a rugby guy.   He is the one I quote when I say that  soccer players are a pile of preening pansies.  Those were his words, not mine. 

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