Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 So my theory is correct? Yeah, probably. I wasn't disagreeing with that, only pointing out that college PA is not necessarily the same as NFL PA and that this stat is interesting but not necessarily indicative of anything. I'm sure RG3 and Cam Newton had a similar split. All that said, I still love Kizer's potential, and not just athletically. He has the mentality and demeanor of an NFL QB. Add to that his intelligence, work ethic and physical ability and I think that he's a contender for "grooming franchise QB project" in the late first, early second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah, probably. I wasn't disagreeing with that, only pointing out that college PA is not necessarily the same as NFL PA and that this stat is interesting but not necessarily indicative of anything. I'm sure RG3 and Cam Newton had a similar split. All that said, I still love Kizer's potential, and not just athletically. He has the mentality and demeanor of an NFL QB. Add to that his intelligence, work ethic and physical ability and I think that he's a contender for "grooming franchise QB project" in the late first, early second. lol... well if you can fix that delivery, I'll join you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 lol... well if you can fix that delivery, I'll join you... His delivery doesn't bother me. Too much is hung up on guys being perfect throwers when really it doesn't matter. Philip Rivers is one of the ugliest passers around. What matters most is getting the ball where you need to. That comes with intelligence, comfort and confidence more than it does a high elbow, pointed toe and released hips. If you can read a defense, process information on the fly and make a decision, you can make up for a quarter-second longer delivery. It's 100% about scheme fit. Kizer's best fit is likely to be in a heavy PA scheme. Andrew Luck isn't technically sound. He's not horrible, but he makes his awkward motion, weird grip and semi-floating back leg work for him. RG3 was considered to have a superior release by a couple scouts and analysts, including Greg Cosell. But Luck was put into an offense that featured heavy play-action, longer developing routes and extending plays a la Roethlisberger. Which one is on a team right now? I'm fairly sure Luck has been near the bottom of the league his entire career in release time, despite the fact that he's not fundamentally horrid nor is he a slow thinker. He's just in an offense that is longer developing and not as much a timing based, quick fire offense. Put Kizer in a McDaniels offense, probably doesn't do extremely well. Put Kizer in an Arians offense, now we're talking. The question is...what offense will we be running? My money is on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 His delivery doesn't bother me. Too much is hung up on guys being perfect throwers when really it doesn't matter. Philip Rivers is one of the ugliest passers around. Should have been more precise... Fix his release... way too long, too slow. That was my whole PA argument... and that he wasted the time it buys him. Rivers' by contrast is about as quick as you'll find. True... it's fugly, but it's quick... Esthetics be damned... but need that quick release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Should have been more precise... Fix his release... way too long, too slow. That was my whole PA argument... and that he wasted the time it buys him. Rivers' by contrast is about as quick as you'll find. True... it's fugly, but it's quick... Esthetics be damned... but need that quick release. Watched Kizer's pro day Tour- saw the same thing you have.... And the windup, and the ppppppiiiiiiitttttcccchhhhhh. Sllllllloooooowwwwww. Mitch unloads the ball way faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Mitch does unload the ball much quicker. He has a VERY quick release and I love it. Kizer reminds me a LITTLE bit of Weeden in that he's definitely got the arm, but he holds onto the ball. He's obviously WAY more athletic, but I worry about people falling in love with Kizer because he "looks the part". I mean, the guy looks like he was built at a QB factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Mitch unloads the ball way faster. But can he throw a spiral? Man, he threw a ton of wobblers... seemed to be aiming everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Mitch does unload the ball much quicker. He has a VERY quick release and I love it. Kizer reminds me a LITTLE bit of Weeden in that he's definitely got the arm, but he holds onto the ball. He's obviously WAY more athletic, but I worry about people falling in love with Kizer because he "looks the part". I mean, the guy looks like he was built at a QB factory. Kizer should be drafted in like the 2d round by one of the teams that has an older QB so that he could develop. From everything I have heard he needs more time than the other 2 QBs. (yes, even more than the "inexperienced Trubisky"). Maybe the Saints, Cards, Chargers, Chiefs, Packers, Giants, even Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Kizer should be drafted in like the 2d round by one of the teams that has an older QB so that he could develop. From everything I have heard he needs more time than the other 2 QBs. (yes, even more than the "inexperienced Trubisky"). Maybe the Saints, Cards, Chargers, Chiefs, Packers, Giants, even Steelers. Kizer is almost as inexperienced as Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Kizer is almost as inexperienced as Trubisky. But that is rarely mentioned as it is with MT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 In less than 5 weeks none of these QB threads will matter, as we will have skipped them right on by faster than a school girl playing Hopscotch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 But that is rarely mentioned as it is with MT. 12 more games Gip. Got pulled out of at least one. I'm not much interested in him. If we want a project, I'll take Mahomes instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 12 more games Gip. Got pulled out of at least one. I'm not much interested in him. If we want a project, I'll take Mahomes instead. Actually, Mitch played in more games than Kizer...Kizer just has more starts. Kizer has only thrown 120 more passes than Trubisky....which is only about 3-4 full games more of experience. They're both inexperienced. What's interesting to me is that you're qualifying Mahomes as a project...yet he has thrown more passes (1349) than Trubisky (572), Kizer (695) and Watson (1,207). He's actually the most experienced QB in the draft...and also the QB with the worst mechanics. To me, that doesn't make him a project at all. That just makes him a bad prospect with a big arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 That just makes him a bad prospect with a big arm. This will forever be known as "a Weeden" from this day forth..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 This will forever be known as "a Weeden" from this day forth..... Not a "Wheezy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Not a "Wheezy"? I can't T, whenever I hear Wheezy, I think of The Jeffersons, and I actually liked her so I can't conjoin the two in my head..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Actually, Mitch played in more games than Kizer...Kizer just has more starts. Kizer has only thrown 120 more passes than Trubisky....which is only about 3-4 full games more of experience. They're both inexperienced. What's interesting to me is that you're qualifying Mahomes as a project...yet he has thrown more passes (1349) than Trubisky (572), Kizer (695) and Watson (1,207). He's actually the most experienced QB in the draft...and also the QB with the worst mechanics. To me, that doesn't make him a project at all. That just makes him a bad prospect with a big arm. FWIW, I'm not super keen on Mahomes either- if they were both on the board, I'd pick him before Kizer though. I think my initial comment way back was "a bigger version of Manziel with a better arm, and none of the off field issues." Also duly noted his mechanics are a mess. Yup, he's got a Wee-Done arm, and could have gone the baseball route with a 95 mph fastball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 In less than 5 weeks none of these QB threads will matter, as we will have skipped them right on by faster than a school girl playing Hopscotch. Phew!!!! While we're at it, how the Hail did I get to ranking Trubisky #1 at the QB position? If I break the pronunciation of his name down, the prefix "Trub" sounds like he's half trouble while the rest of his name "isky" sounds like he's half Whiskey. Now I know why Ghoolie loves the kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Phew!!!! While we're at it, how the Hail did I get to ranking Trubisky #1 at the QB position? If I break the pronunciation of his name down, the prefix "Trub" sounds like he's half trouble while the rest of his name "isky" sounds like he's half Whiskey. Now I know why Ghoolie loves the kid! Actually Trub is a byproduct of the brewing process. So.... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Phew!!!! While we're at it, how the Hail did I get to ranking Trubisky #1 at the QB position? If I break the pronunciation of his name down, the prefix "Trub" sounds like he's half trouble while the rest of his name "isky" sounds like he's half Whiskey. Now I know why Ghoolie loves the kid! Or, maybe Ghoolie likes him because in there you get the word: rube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Actually, Mitch played in more games than Kizer...Kizer just has more starts. Kizer has only thrown 120 more passes than Trubisky....which is only about 3-4 full games more of experience. They're both inexperienced. Sorry, but I can't give equal weight to mop up duty experience coming off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Sorry, but I can't give equal weight to mop up duty experience coming off the bench. Then...no Garropolo for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 After getting round to watching the QBs I am now in this camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 So ... the "NFL sources" have put out the word that the Patriots are not trading the guy I have wanted all along ... Jimmy Garappolo ... and it could be a smokescreen, a gimmick to up the ante, and all that ... but let's just say the Browns don't acquire a starting QB in free agency or trade ... who's your draft guy? Mine is DeShone Kizer. Perfect size, excellent mobility, big arm, throws a beautiful deep ball. THIS is a guy that Hugh Jackson can turn into a stud. If we go draft, do we keep RG3 around for another year, or do we cut bait and go totally inexperienced with Kessler and Kizer? Not sure, as I am not an RG3 fan. I think I'd rather start the season Kessler, Kizer, veteran third string dude and get rid of RG3. So how do we get him? You take Garrett #1. Then you gotta read the tea leaves ... if he's going to be there at #12 then wait and pounce, if you think he's gone earlier ... Trade up. 90% of you are going to hate this, especially the last part, but I truly believe he is the best QB prospect in the draft, and if we settle for less than best, we're not doing it right. Zombo What's up Motherfuckers? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 QB from ohio just the wrong side of Ohio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Don't think he'll be good. But I hope I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 He a Brown gotta support him til he turns Weeden on us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Well, Notre Dame's program was a mess last year . . . QB search is definitely not over, the FQB is likely in next year's Draft. Fair value at this pick, after all, Russell Wilson was a 3rd Rounder . . . let's see what he can do given some time and stability. Zombo, you may have nailed this - worse case I hope he's a good Backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Well we shall see. Just don't throw him to the wolves like we usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 He a Brown gotta support him til he turns Weeden on us Difference between him and Weeden is Kizer is smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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