Tour2ma Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Draft Mitch, a center, a right guard, and a right tackle in that order and all is good. Only if you define good as "able to score over 35 points per game." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Only if you define good as "able to score over 35 points per game." HA!!!!............eggsactly...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Brian Dowling, not a professional QB of significance but a bit a cultural icon as we was the starting QB at Yale and was the basis for the Doonesbury character, B.D. Played for the Pats for a while and a cup of coffee with a few other teams. Some of our 70-80's backup were local boys: Mark Miller, Rick Trocano, Oliver Luck. Cliff Stoudt from Oberlin, not sure if that qualifies as NE Ohio though. Long time NFL backup and former Pitt star Matt Cavanaugh was from Youngstown. Tim "Ratty" Rattay, Elyria. Pittsburgh are definitely blows NE Ohio away when it comes to starting QBs in NFL ... but I bet NEO fairs pretty well otherwise at other positions. Zombo Thanks for this. Oliver Luck is likely the best of the ones you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Thanks for this. Oliver Luck is likely the best of the ones you mention. And he's not even the best QB in his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Draft Mitch, a center, a right guard, and a right tackle in that order and all is good. I have been listening to the radio and several people have stated how ultimately important the Offensive Line is today....and how no team without a good one will get anywhere. But our geniuses let Mitch Schwartz walk because perhaps they were Ghoolie Devotees who believe offensive linemen are a dime a dozen. To my mind, this year completely disproves that theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 remember, this time last year Goff/Wentz were touted as maybe second rounders You're the only one who remembers that. https://www.profootballfocus.com/why-jared-goff-is-the-best-qb-prospect-in-the-country/ Note this article from last October stating Goff is expected to go #1 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/27/jared-goff-nfl-draft-2016-top-quarterback-qb-prospect Or this 55 week old article which posits that Goff could be chosen #5 overall. http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/11/05/49ers-qb-of-the-future-could-be-cals-jared-goff/ Well what do ya know?! Here's an article from may of 2015 touting Goff as the top QB prospect entering the draft.... http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2469137-meet-jared-goff-the-2016-nfl-drafts-top-qb-heading-into-next-season# A ten minute google search proves you're objectively wrong about expectations for Jared Goff in 2015. I'm sure there are plenty of very "reputable" articles that you remember to support your idea that Goff was a 2nd rounder a year ago. The problem is that, oddly enough, those articles aren't the ones showing up. I'm sure it's my fault, maybe I should use a more trust worthy search engine like Ask Jeeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 If you haven't already tune into ESPN now (noon) Mitch is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 The problem is that, oddly enough, those articles aren't the ones showing up. I'm sure it's my fault, maybe I should use a more trust worthy search engine like Ask Jeeves. Just Ask Gipper. All the results will be just as he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 At the gym but I got a text from a friend that UNC is down 21-0. If you want to give solid input, I'd suggest flipping on the game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 21-7 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 28-21 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 One negative I read was that he's not a big time clutch guy, so this could be big for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 One negative I read was that he's not a big time clutch guy, so this could be big for him. not enough evidence in his college career for that, if you were to base that statement on his high school career then that statement is 1000% incorrect. If only UNC would have brought their D to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Watched the entire game- my input. DAMN, IT WAS JUST LIKE WATCHING THE BROWNS. NC defense sucks, their o-line sucks, receivers drop passes that hit them in the hands. Now regarding Mitch. Good pocket awareness, fairly mobile. Shows nice touch on intermediate throws, and fairly accurate on the deep stuff. Tossed an effortless 50 yard bomb, I'd guess he could heave it 60+ yards if he had to. Stood in the pocket and made several accurate throws with a defender in his face. Threw a bullet completion into tight coverage, and made an NFL throw looping the ball over a defender. Should mention made a nice completion rolling to his left. (that was the knock on Johnny Football) Just missed a completion on 4th and 20 that might have been overthrown by a foot- would have continued that last minute drive. Noticed he checked out of a play a couple of times when he didn't like what he saw. Certainly went through his progressions when his primary was covered. Now the observations that he relies too much on Switzer to bail him out might be accurate. & BTW, I wouldn't mind the Browns drafting Switzer at an appropriate draft slot. Reminds me a little of Brian Brennan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Switzer is New England bound, BB loves him some white receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Switzer is New England bound, BB loves him some white receivers. or denver. Regarding Mitch he did not do anything to hurt his draft stock but his performance did not particularly help it either. Going by the numbers nearly 300 yds passing and 3 TD with 50 some yards rushing he had another good game. but he did have some rare accuracy issues and seemed flustered in the 1st half. actually the whole team looked a bit un-prepared. Totally agree it WAS like watching the browns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Totally agree it WAS like watching the browns! with the exception we never get 3 TD passes in one game or in 4 consecutive games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 He's not the answer! Besides, this could all be a moot point if we draft Myles Garret. San Fransisco will draft Trubisky. I think Garret and Jaime Collins would be a start in actually having a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 He's not the answer! Besides, this could all be a moot point if we draft Myles Garret. San Fransisco will draft Trubisky. I think Garret and Jaime Collins would be a start in actually having a defense. That would be a start, and I emphasize START. Two down and around 7-8 to go, depending on how you're counting. Kirksey is adequate, and by the time you build that D up to SB standards, Haden will be near done, if he isn't already. Guys like JJ Watt, Suh and Clowney may get you to the playoffs- I still say you have to have the quarterback. I doubt Griffin and Kessler are the long term answer. The 2015 Broncos had Ware, Miller, Talib, and Ward The Ravens Super Bowl teams were loaded with defensive stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted November 25, 2016 Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 I dunno i think you only go defense over qb in our situation if charles woodson is in the draft and I'm not seeing anyone of that talent here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Switzer is New England bound, BB loves him some white receivers. LOL! He's an old school guy bringing back that old Boston Celtics mentality to the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvcanedy Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Nah, no qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 At the gym but I got a text from a friend that UNC is down 21-0. If you want to give solid input, I'd suggest flipping on the game now. Watched most of it... Regarding Mitch...he did have some rare accuracy issues and seemed flustered in the 1st half. ... and the second. One game does not an assessment make, but I saw no #1 overall worthy QB today. Positives included fairly short, quick release, more than adequate arm strength and quick feet. Attributes MIA included restricted reads, pocket presence, TOR, and accuracy. More work to do, but not enough seen for a QB who runs a lot of read option and gets his play adjustments from the sideline. On the bright side I was reintroduced to Bradley Chubb, NS State DE... had not seen him since last season. Nice looking 4-3 DE prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 You're the only one who remembers that. https://www.profootballfocus.com/why-jared-goff-is-the-best-qb-prospect-in-the-country/ Note this article from last October stating Goff is expected to go #1 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/27/jared-goff-nfl-draft-2016-top-quarterback-qb-prospect Or this 55 week old article which posits that Goff could be chosen #5 overall. http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/11/05/49ers-qb-of-the-future-could-be-cals-jared-goff/ Well what do ya know?! Here's an article from may of 2015 touting Goff as the top QB prospect entering the draft.... http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2469137-meet-jared-goff-the-2016-nfl-drafts-top-qb-heading-into-next-season# A ten minute google search proves you're objectively wrong about expectations for Jared Goff in 2015. I'm sure there are plenty of very "reputable" articles that you remember to support your idea that Goff was a 2nd rounder a year ago. The problem is that, oddly enough, those articles aren't the ones showing up. I'm sure it's my fault, maybe I should use a more trust worthy search engine like Ask Jeeves. I would say that it was probably the preseason rankings that applied. I mean, before the beginning of last year it was all about Hackenberg...and Prescott...and Connor Cook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Just Ask Gipper. All the results will be just as he says. And my recollection was correct: See this article where Goff was ranked no higher than #7 and Wentz wasn't even in the Top 25: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/133373274/college-football-2015-quarterback-rankings Three Buckeye QBs were rated higher. And here: SI....Goff a second rounder: http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/03/nfl-draft-2016-big-board-joey-bosa-jalen-ramsey I didn't make this up. Anyone that disagrees with me can look in the mirror and say to themselves: I am a dickwad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 You're the only one who remembers that. https://www.profootballfocus.com/why-jared-goff-is-the-best-qb-prospect-in-the-country/ Note this article from last October stating Goff is expected to go #1 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/27/jared-goff-nfl-draft-2016-top-quarterback-qb-prospect Or this 55 week old article which posits that Goff could be chosen #5 overall. http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/11/05/49ers-qb-of-the-future-could-be-cals-jared-goff/ Well what do ya know?! Here's an article from may of 2015 touting Goff as the top QB prospect entering the draft.... http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2469137-meet-jared-goff-the-2016-nfl-drafts-top-qb-heading-into-next-season# A ten minute google search proves you're objectively wrong about expectations for Jared Goff in 2015. I'm sure there are plenty of very "reputable" articles that you remember to support your idea that Goff was a 2nd rounder a year ago. The problem is that, oddly enough, those articles aren't the ones showing up. I'm sure it's my fault, maybe I should use a more trust worthy search engine like Ask Jeeves. Again....all articles were basically post or late season. Preseason, it was other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 or denver. Regarding Mitch he did not do anything to hurt his draft stock but his performance did not particularly help it either. Going by the numbers nearly 300 yds passing and 3 TD with 50 some yards rushing he had another good game. but he did have some rare accuracy issues and seemed flustered in the 1st half. actually the whole team looked a bit un-prepared. Totally agree it WAS like watching the browns! A lot of those "accuracy issues" involved the fact that he had 6 drops of his passes by his receivers. Had those been connected his completion percentage would have been much better. Was he perfectly 100% accurate? No. I didn't like a lot of the play calling that team made. But his performance was definitely worthy. And yea....bad defense, bad O-Line. He fits in perfect here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 He's not the answer! Besides, this could all be a moot point if we draft Myles Garret. San Fransisco will draft Trubisky. I think Garret and Jaime Collins would be a start in actually having a defense. If he is not the answer, then the answer will not come to the Browns for another 10 years. He is as good an answer as we will will have had since the Browns drafted Bernie Kosar in the supplemental draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 I dunno i think you only go defense over qb in our situation if charles woodson is in the draft and I'm not seeing anyone of that talent here. Charles Woodson? He wasn't the best CB the year he came out. Antoine Winfield was a better pure corner. Woodson could probably float between safety and corner. But, no....this morning Tony Grossi basically said that the one thing that would put this team on the road to respectability is a QB. Of course there are other holes that need desperately filled......trenches and DB. But QB is primary. If there is not franchise QB to be had, then yes, you go defense.....but I believe there is a franchise QB to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Watched most of it... ... and the second. One game does not an assessment make, but I saw no #1 overall worthy QB today. Positives included fairly short, quick release, more than adequate arm strength and quick feet. Attributes MIA included restricted reads, pocket presence, TOR, and accuracy. I think you are dead wrong on both the pocket presence and the accuracy. As Hoorta said...he stood in there and many many on the button throws while defenders were in his face. As for accuracy...no, he wasn't 1000 percent perfect....but I saw only two throws that were not throwaways that were off target...and one of those was by a cunt hair. As for restricted reads...I think that is a scheme/coaching matter. And I don't know what you mean by TOR. More work to do, but not enough seen for a QB who runs a lot of read option and gets his play adjustments from the sideline. Sure, more work to do....but read option and getting adjustment from the sidelines is the way 99.4% of college offenses are run now. I don't like it much...but it is what it is. On the bright side I was reintroduced to Bradley Chubb, NS State DE... had not seen him since last season. Nice looking 4-3 DE prospect. What round do you see him going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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