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Flugel    642

Bosa would be the best pass rusher on this entire team if he were here. That's kind of sad. But to me, more importantly, he'd be our best run stopper. In two games he's showed the same sniff for the run game as he did at OSU. God we could have had him and nassib in the draft. We would be set for the next 8 years at our edges. Both him and Nassib still need to grow but that's expected.

 

Clevs - I'm reading Bosa's brother is supposed to be even better than Joey. He's already making some big plays. That's gotta be terrific news for the Bosa fan club.

 

Joey spent most of the first 4 weeks with a hammy injury. Nassib spent most of the first month on the sideline with a broken hand. Both guys had first appearances to be excited about. It'll be interesting to see which one has better upside ahead. I remember Kam Wimbley coming to Cleveland and putting in a good rookie year rushing the passer. 1 year later, opponents started to throw the ball into the flats adjacent to where he lined up. He went from sic em on every play to thinking on every play. The change of it all, didn't even get him a second contract here. My guess is this is what teams will try to do to Bosa to test whether he's just a gifted pass rusher or a master of all trades. Since you're a huge fan, you and San Diego better hope he has better first step instinct than Wimbley had.

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Clevfan4life    282

 

Clevs - I'm reading Bosa's brother is supposed to be even better than Joey. He's already making some big plays. That's gotta be terrific news for the Bosa fan club.

 

Joey spent most of the first 4 weeks with a hammy injury. Nassib spent most of the first month on the sideline with a broken hand. Both guys had first appearances to be excited about. It'll be interesting to see which one has better upside ahead. I remember Kam Wimbley coming to Cleveland and putting in a good rookie year rushing the passer. 1 year later, opponents started to throw the ball into the flats adjacent to where he lined up. He went from sic em on every play to thinking on every play. The change of it all, didn't even get him a second contract here. My guess is this is what teams will try to do to Bosa to test whether he's just a gifted pass rusher or a master of all trades. Since you're a huge fan, you and San Diego better hope he has better first step instinct than Wimbley had.

 

 

wimbley wasn't half the player that bosa is. Edge rusher yes, but Bosa is not just an edge rusher. His run stopping is what made me want him on the Browns defense. He's already made a couple plays that i haven't seen a veteran on this team make in maybe over a decade. H

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Clevfan4life    282

And from what i've seen of nick so far he's kind of a stiff. Nowhere near what Joey was but that's ok it's his first year. Nick hasn't developed Joeys hand skills yet.

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. Nick hasn't developed Joeys hand skills yet.

It's because Nick doesn't jack off as much as Joey. Maybe in the future but as for now Nicks getting the real thing.

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Flugel    642

 

 

Didn't they have to pop that fucker back in? You'd have passed out clean mik stop your troll. Doesn't Bosa already have more sacks than the entire Browns front line? And didn't that happen against the best O line in football on just 27 snaps? Anyway, he made a play last night where he set the edge and then spun back inside to catch Simian from behind. Basically the qb fell forward an inch past the los so it wasn't a sack technically. Point is we haven't had an edge player in probably a decade or more that was capable of that play. How many times did i watch Kruger get upfield and then be completely incapable of disengaging from his blocker? Even if it was a TE blocking him. How many times did we watch that? I thought Sheard was a good piece for us but im not sure i ever saw him make a play like that.

 

The only issue i see right now with Bosa's game is he needs to get stronger. That will come. It was his 2nd game. I say the same thing about Nassib who I'm very optimistic about. But we can clearly see how much more NFL ready Bosa is than Nassib. That's why Bosa went 3rd and Nassib went in the 4th round.

 

Nassib didn't go in round 4 - he went near the top of round 3. That said, he didn't wear an Ohio State uniform while he led the country at sacking the QB. My guess is if PSU played with as many leads as Ohio State - Nassib could have had even more sacks.

 

I like Carl's NFL starting point. Plenty of room to add more size and strength for a guy that just started to tap his best football in 2015. He had a pretty good first NFL game too before getting a hand cast 1 week later. He's got those Ted Hendricks levers that came in handy especially when nobody else was in position to make a tackle on a screen pass and he reached out to make the tackle. I'm not sure how much the injury/cast impedes that.

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Richiswhere    38

And from what i've seen of nick so far he's kind of a stiff. Nowhere near what Joey was but that's ok it's his first year. Nick hasn't developed Joeys hand skills yet.

The true freshmen coming back from and ACL injury looked pretty damn good last night

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Clevfan4life    282

The true freshmen coming back from and ACL injury looked pretty damn good last night

Yeah he's quicker than i gave him credit for. Still he doesnt have joeys hands yet

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Clevfan4life    282

Btw finishing up the 2nd half of the chargers game. Bosa looks really good. I dont think he recorded a sack in this game but so far from what ive seen he's come within inches of 3-4 sacks. Simians having to get rid of the ball quick, and chargers secondary is jumping on it. I would kill for this kind of pressure from the browns edges.

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Clevfan4life    282

And the one thing that really stands out is how much faster joey looks than any one else in the trenches. When he stunts the ol look in full panic mode to get their hands on him.

 

Also, u cant block joey with a TE. He bulled the broncos TE out of his shoes a couple times and the broncos said ok enough of that get an ol on him. How many times did we watch in disbeleif as a TE rode jruger out of the play like a rented mule? Happy to say i watched nassib do the same when his hand wasnt gimped. These two guys are gonna represent the big 10 well imo over the next few years

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Tour2ma    1,430

I have to agree, Joey is looking good. And he's not even in game shape yet...

 

Still not convinced he was worth an overall #2, but he is looking good.

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Clevfan4life    282

I have to agree, Joey is looking good. And he's not even in game shape yet...

 

Still not convinced he was worth an overall #2, but he is looking good.

 

The only thing right now that i see missing from his game is the power edge rush that he had at OH St. His primary outside move right now is that slap down that got Kruger nowhere for 3 years. He's a ton quicker than Kruger was so he's getting close. Still if he was able to dig out the tackles outside shoulder more we may have witness the best opening two games of a defensive rookie ever. I know SD dropped some weight on him and that's fine, his field quicks just look amazing...but he needs that power game to be complete. I'm fully expecting a year or two in an NFL weight room gets that power game back while not putting on a whole ton of weight.

 

And everythign i just said is exactly what i hope Nassib and Ogbah go through although im not liking Og at all right now. Actually both him and Nassib are getting their arms folded up constantly. Those bad habits from College haven't been gotten rid of yet. Keeping those arms stiff and bench pressing OL is what made Joey at OSU, and he's still doing it...those run stop plays he made thursday and the week before against arguably a top 3 O line were classic Bosa. Keep the OL at arms length with a crisp shot to the pads and read the play.

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Flugel    642

 

The only thing right now that i see missing from his game is the power edge rush that he had at OH St. His primary outside move right now is that slap down that got Kruger nowhere for 3 years. He's a ton quicker than Kruger was so he's getting close. Still if he was able to dig out the tackles outside shoulder more we may have witness the best opening two games of a defensive rookie ever. I know SD dropped some weight on him and that's fine, his field quicks just look amazing...but he needs that power game to be complete. I'm fully expecting a year or two in an NFL weight room gets that power game back while not putting on a whole ton of weight.

 

And everythign i just said is exactly what i hope Nassib and Ogbah go through although im not liking Og at all right now. Actually both him and Nassib are getting their arms folded up constantly. Those bad habits from College haven't been gotten rid of yet. Keeping those arms stiff and bench pressing OL is what made Joey at OSU, and he's still doing it...those run stop plays he made thursday and the week before against arguably a top 3 O line were classic Bosa. Keep the OL at arms length with a crisp shot to the pads and read the play.

 

Bench pressing 330 lb Left Tackles in he NFL has to be way easier without a broken hand in a cast. It's probably the reason Nassib looked so much better week 1 than he has the last 2 weeks. Like I said earlier in this thread, Nassib has plenty of room to pack more size and strength on his rookie frame.

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Flugel    642

I have to agree, Joey is looking good. And he's not even in game shape yet...

 

Still not convinced he was worth an overall #2, but he is looking good.

 

Agreed. I liked the way you put it all.

 

In the context of the #2 overall pick status, Bosa didn't look like he was in game shape last year at this time either. After being suspended for the opener, he had 3 very pedestrian games against competition he should have dominated but did not. I've tried to tell Clevs in the past those games are also on his resume convenient or not. He went from 13.5 sacks in 2014 to 5 sacks in 2015. Was that some degree of complacency from a guy that already proved himself? Clevs will probably say he got double teamed and chip blocked but that happened just as frequently in 2014. Opponents watch film prior to game planning so they know who they have to game plan for.

 

I know he's very talented and it's easy to see when he wants to bring it. The 1 question he has never answered is how often is he willing to be this guy at the value of this #2 overall pick we never invested on him? Time will tell...

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Clevfan4life    282

Flugs he was seeing triple teams in 15. Admittedly though he was preserving his draft status. Fighting through triple teams all season long could have gotten him clownied. And u cant argue with the outcome, he went 3rd and has a life altering contract even if he blows his knee out next week and never plays another down of nfl football.

 

So was it complacency?

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FrancisHig    0

Ive seen this done on other bulletin board systems. When someone posts something which is off topic, complain about it here rather than littering threads with complaints about off topic posts. Then the board administrator can delete it or move it here. That way, if its off topic, but not offensive the post is preserved, but moved out of the thread. Sometimes its a tough call and then other times its an easy call as to whether a post is off topic, offensive, or both. Ill start things off in my next post

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Tour2ma    1,430

Reasonable thought, but some of our best conversations stem from comments that stray from the tread topic...

 

Welcome to the Browns Board...

 

 

Then there's our collective ADD issues to consider...

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