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Philly also only has one first rounder along their line, unlike us.

 

The Browns only have one first rounder on their line: Joe Thomas. (not counting Erving who is out) Bito round 2. Greco/Bailey/Pasztor...who knows what round they were taken in.

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A good QB usually can off set some of the inefficiency of the Offensive Line. (See P. Manning and T. Brady over the years).

The ability to understand blitz and what the defense throws at you cannot be under estimated.

 

Wentz did 2 things really well.

1) He audibled and put the offense in a better opportunity

2) He was able to slide and BUY time (see the 72 yard pass to Sproles).

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You know, the ol' Ghoolster was right about one thing: we fucked up by not drafting Paxton Lynch. That dude is really tearing it up in Denv... ...oh.

Just because Lynch and Goff aren't playing doesn't mean they aren't any good. If Bridgewater doesn't get hurt, Sam Bradford is STILL the QB in Philly and you guys would be saying how dumb they were for trading up for Wentz.Wentz would be a backup like Lynch and Goff.

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Both Wentz and Prescott look really good. One thing I noticed though, is that they have all day to stand back and pass. It is unreal how long they have. I also realized the wr and te's that they get to trow to. I'm not sayong the are not good or they won't be good, but damn they got lucky with some talent around them.

dallas has the best ol in the nfl...the eagles ol is ok.....what i see from wentz is he has some of big ben's talent...great arm and he can sidestep the rush in the pocket and make a play..he's going to be a good one...the only good thing is at least he is not playing in the afc north...

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If Bridgewater doesn't get hurt, Sam Bradford is STILL the QB in Philly and you guys would be saying how dumb they were for trading up for Wentz.Wentz would be a backup like Lynch and Goff.

 

And if my aunt had balls she'd have been my uncle Sal instead of Sally. Fact is Wentz does play and he plays very well, far above the norm for a rookie QB. So adjust to it.

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Just when you think it can't be any worse, Carson Wentz destroys the Steelers and basically looks all-universe in the process.

 

I mean...

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Just when you think it can't be any worse, Carson Wentz destroys the Steelers and basically looks all-universe in the process.

 

I mean...

 

We don't have fucking Carson Wentz, so let it go. Jesus.

 

What we do have is a 3rd round pick who in 3 weeks went from not even sniffing the field to starting, on the road, and was one weiner-ass kicker from winning the game. That same QB led a team to over 400 yards of offense. There's a lot to be positive about, crying over spilled milk is a waste of time.

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We don't have fucking Carson Wentz, so let it go. Jesus.

 

What we do have is a 3rd round pick who in 3 weeks went from not even sniffing the field to starting, on the road, and was one weiner-ass kicker from winning the game. That same QB led a team to over 400 yards of offense. There's a lot to be positive about, crying over spilled milk is a waste of time.

 

uhhh.............. that's what this forum is about........opinions. there is always history being spewed here (cuz that's all this franchise has), so complaining about something that happened 5 months ago should be of no surprise.

 

and believe me, put the film up of cody kessler next to that of carson wentz and it's not even close. and the positives aren't swinging kessler's way. wentz looks like the second coming of marino in arm strength and young in mobility whilst being able to read defenses like a pro. all in a prototypical franchise qb body.

 

when kessler is shining shoes at the bus terminal, i'm sure he'll take homage knowing that there were some dopes on a forum that thought he was going to be the saviour in cleveland.

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uhhh.............. that's what this forum is about........opinions. there is always history being spewed here (cuz that's all this franchise has), so complaining about something that happened 5 months ago should be of no surprise.

 

and believe me, put the film up of cody kessler next to that of carson wentz and it's not even close. and the positives aren't swinging kessler's way. wentz looks like the second coming of marino in arm strength and young in mobility whilst being able to read defenses like a pro. all in a prototypical franchise qb body.

 

when kessler is shining shoes at the bus terminal, i'm sure he'll take homage knowing that there were some dopes on a forum that thought he was going to be the saviour in cleveland.

 

Heh, he's one inch taller than our last midget and two steps slower. Nothing wrong with this plan.

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Heh, he's one inch taller than our last midget and two steps slower. Nothing wrong with this plan.

But I'll bet Kessler isn't in Las Vegas right now. :D

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But I'll bet Kessler isn't in Las Vegas right now. :D

 

A few more hits through our porous line may change all that. Just give it time. :P

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when kessler is shining shoes at the bus terminal, i'm sure he'll take homage knowing that there were some dopes on a forum that thought he was going to be the saviour in cleveland.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Wentz looks like real deal. Came from a pro style offense, has football smarts and Browns are nuts for trading that pick away! Nuts! The QB's coming out next year better be studs!

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It's not crying over spilled milk, it's pointing out how our new front office may have completely screwed our franchise over for ANOTHER ten years. Kessler fought his ass off, but in my opinion, he doesn't have the athletic ability to make it as a starter. Think of it THIS way...who would you compare him to in the NFL today that is successful? And I mean TODAY'S NFL. Don't say Joe Montana or something like that. The game is different now.

 

To be fair, just because a player doesn't compare to successful players, it doesn't mean that he CAN'T thrive, but I do think it's worth mentioning. Kessler looked extremely slow, and his arm didn't look great. Maybe he can overcome these things, but I just don't think so. It's probably safe to say that we're picking a QB at the top of next year's draft, and let's hope to hell that he works out.

 

Hey, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But if I was a betting man, I'd put money on Cody being a backup at best.

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I remember all the wannabe NFL scouts in here saying he wasn't NFL ready, he comes from North Dakota State, blah blah blah. He's the real deal without a doubt. The Browns have proven once again what a shitty team they are picking talent, no matter who is in the front office it seems.

 

I was as skeptical as any regarding Wenz, but have to admit that he looks solid and the game/speed are not too much for him..... Let's see how he does now that he's put enough on tape for DCs to figure out how to stop him.

 

If he continues to look like a mini Big Ben, then yea, it's safe to say that the Browns swung and missed, but we're not there quite yet.

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I was as skeptical as any regarding Wenz, but have to admit that he looks solid and the game/speed are not too much for him..... Let's see how he does now that he's put enough on tape for DCs to figure out how to stop him.

 

If he continues to look like a mini Big Ben, then yea, it's safe to say that the Browns swung and missed, but we're not there quite yet.

 

Maybe not, but after watching him dismantle Pitt I'd have to say he's well on his way down the home run path for Philly (and a strikeout for the Browns).

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Unlike Dak who has Eeke, Dez, Witten and best OL in the NFL, Wentz has to work with below-average support and the eagles scored the most points so far.

 

I mean, other than Wentz, I am not sure I would exchange any eagles offensive player with ours. Maybe Spiroles?

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Yes, the Manziel pick really hurt us. At the end of his playing days with us, I felt that he was making some improvement reading the field and making plays. I believe he still struggled in the red zone (as we always do), but you could see the talent when he played. We always clung to the hope he would figure it out, but I think most of us knew he would never be a long term solution. That pick hurt us, and continues to do so.

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It's not crying over spilled milk, it's pointing out how our new front office may have completely screwed our franchise over for ANOTHER ten years. Kessler fought his ass off, but in my opinion, he doesn't have the athletic ability to make it as a starter. Think of it THIS way...who would you compare him to in the NFL today that is successful? And I mean TODAY'S NFL. Don't say Joe Montana or something like that. The game is different now.

 

To be fair, just because a player doesn't compare to successful players, it doesn't mean that he CAN'T thrive, but I do think it's worth mentioning. Kessler looked extremely slow, and his arm didn't look great. Maybe he can overcome these things, but I just don't think so. It's probably safe to say that we're picking a QB at the top of next year's draft, and let's hope to hell that he works out.

 

Hey, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But if I was a betting man, I'd put money on Cody being a backup at best.

 

Here's everything in a nutshell.

 

1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.

2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.

3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.

4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?

 

We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.

 

Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.

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Here's everything in a nutshell.

 

1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.

2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.

3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.

4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?

 

We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.

 

Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.

 

#4 is in error. Here is what Kessler did.

 

GAME

COMP ATT YDS TDS INT RATING 9/25/2016 @ MIA

21 33 244 0 0 85.9

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#4 is in error. Here is what Kessler did.

 

GAME

COMP ATT YDS TDS INT RATING 9/25/2016 @ MIA

21 33 244 0 0 85.9

 

I believe he means the offense put up over 400 total yards during his first start.

 

Zombo

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I wanted Goff OR Wentz and it didn't happen.

 

Just like I wished I was born a millionaire instead of so damned good looking ;)

 

It's going to be a tough year as a Browns fan...but I'm used to it.

 

I'm going to enjoy watching some of these kids grow into some mighty fine football players.

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I believe he means the offense put up over 400 total yards during his first start.

 

Zombo

 

Agree. But wanted to show the numbers for him specifically were not bad at all for a rookie in his first game, especially considering the OL problems. Poor guy was throwing under duress almost every play.

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Agree. But wanted to show the numbers for him specifically were not bad at all for a rookie in his first game, especially considering the OL problems. Poor guy was throwing under duress almost every play.

 

Right, even by themselves that's a decent stat line for a dude in his situation, heck really above average.

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I expected Kessler to shit his pants on TV last week, but knew he would find some success with quick, underneath throws. He outplayed a guy shitting his pants on national TV. Excited for next week

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